It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by argentus
reply to post by PS3Geek
Where I grew up in northern Idaho..... it was very simple. We hunted and fished and gardened for food. People had jobs, but nearly everyone provided most of their own food. We didn't get indoor plumbing until I was about 12. I remember my father yelling at me to "stop! flushing! that! [expletive] toilet!.
People can live like that, however I think it's sometimes a mistake to think that we can ease into such a lifestyle.
Here's an experiment: Ask your friends and family if they can make fire without matches or a lighter. Then, ask them to show you. If your family/friends are like mine, there will be a disparity between what they believe they can do and the reality of their performance.
Since we moved to the Caribbean, we've been simplifying our lives, more in line with how I grew up. Are we prepared? Yes and no. There is always something lacking, and these days the things lacking are often mental, rather than a physical item.
M'Bride and I used to shut down the power for a weekend, to test ourselves. Well, that's a fun experiment, and yields beneficial information, but it's not exactly like being suddenly thrust into the dark ages. I think we tend to forget the long term effects of having no medicine, no medical care, no toilet paper, nobody that cares, and everybody that might gut us for the simple things that we currently take for granted.
Anyway, good thread, good insight. I initially though when reading your OP that you were one of those that longed for TSHTF. I'm glad to be wrong in my initial assessment.
Originally posted by Tykonos
I hope for no SHTF in any of our lifetimes.
Those that think it will be somehow better than what we've got are deluded, it won't like the fantasy films, reality will hit hard and you will pray for those golden olden days where everthing was available, at a cost.
You can stock up on food and guns if you are lucky enough to live in America. But, how long will they last? Think of how many people will be out trying to hunt in the same areas as you, or trying to steal you supplies. Sure you may have a gun, but what if they outnumber you and they too have guns?
What if you got something really simple like a toothache from an infected canal root? Infection can kill. You will have to pull your own tooth out and hope it doesn't snap off. Sure you can stock up on antibiotics but they won't last long.
What you can stock will only last so long, unless you can grow or hunt. Farmers for years have died out through starvation due to disease of crops, insect infestation or bad weather, they had far more agricultural experience than we do.
It would be hell on Earth.
Originally posted by SeenMyShare
I really like the convenience of drip coffee, microwave ovens, thermostatically controlled heat, hot and cold water on tap, showers, computers, internet, grocery stores, a warm bed, fans or air conditioning, and automobiles.
I'm prepared to live without all of the above but I sure wouldn't prefer to live that way.
Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by PS3Geek
but you won't have to work for the gov just for yourself and family hunting for food and fending off looters
It also means no going to the grocery store to get food, you have to hunt, fish, grow your own (each day, as you likely won't have a fridge for it). Have you ever actually hunted and skinned an animal? Not the easiest (or most pleasant) task in the world, I'll tell you.
No tv's, no tv programming, no computers, no internet, and no air conditioning (try living in Florida with no AC)...
Boiling your own water, just to drink (and don't think that all those mountain streams are so pure, you never know what's upriver, like a deer corpse in the water, etc.)...(and rivers are nature's bathrooms)
As for fending off looters, how would you like to have been the PERFECT survivalist...you prepared for EVERYTHING....only to have it stolen from you by a gang of 20 idiots with guns. You've got your family to protect....you'll give it to them...believe me.
Nothing like dying from a broken foot, or some disease wiped out before you were born, now that there are no doctors around.
We may talk about surviving such a scenario, and while part of it may seem exciting and new, most of us who are sane really hope it NEVER happens...especially those of us who truly have considered what would be lost.
I totally understand man and no i have never hunted before and never gutted an animal i would most likely throw up .
Originally posted by TripodXL
TSHTF should never be hoped for. The fact that it is coming is, as of today, pretty much a forgone conclusion, unless there are some drastic changes, immediately. If you have not prepared at all you are in grave danger. First, let me say that I'm not looking forward to it, however I am very prepared for it. Just as I hope my house and all my belongings don't burn to the ground, yet I buy insurance every year for that specific purpose. Being prepared is nothing but insurance and woe unto the ones without it. My idea of survival is not living in a cave and having to eat bugs from under rocks or beat something to death with a stick and eat it "carpaccio" style. I chose a lifestyle that supports survival. I live in a rural area, have land and live a frugal and low profile lifestyle. I am weaning myself off of the grid and using various active and passive solar technologies to live in comfort and safety with minimal transitional stress. I currently grow a lot of my food and this next year all is in place to grow most of my food, if not all of my food. It is not hard to do, it just takes commitment and you'll achieve a greater peace of mind and a much healthier lifestyle. A total lifestyle makeover can be achieved in less than 3-4 years with sufficient commitment and you'll be free the rest of your life. Oh, to be sure, you will get up at dawn when the rooster crows and work hard, gardening, raising animals, doing chores and making repairs etc. You will go to bed at dark, because you are tired and you will sleep good, with a full stomach. Google permaculture and study it. To the good life! 2cents
Originally posted by DAVID64
My version of TSHTF is this: Complete and total breakdown of civilization. You are in a survival situation, with no outside help, no doctors, police, no grocery stores to go get your favorite food at 3 am. No food other than what you can gather yourself. Anyone is fair game when it comes to feeding yourself or family. No I don't mean eating each other, although it could possibly come to that. I mean you're walking down the street when a bullet takes the top of your head off and your body is searched for any thing that may help that other person. Roaming gangs kicking in your door to raid your house. Eating things that you never even think of now. We sit in our comfy recliners and watch Les Stroud [Survivorman] on T.V. and think "That's not too bad, I could do that". Try it. 999 out of 1000 will not make it past the first week, billions will die. The town or city you live in will become a vast wasteland with rotting corpses lying in the streets. Diseases will run rampant,The flu that you shake off in a few days now, will kill a malnourished person. If or when this happens it will be hell on earth with you and your family fighting to survive every day, and most likely losing. Any TV shows you've seen or books you've read will not be comparable to the complete horror of what is happening. Anyone still looking forward to it? The world does need to change and as quickly as possible, and like any new birth it's going to be bloody and painful.
Originally posted by DaRAGE
while i would love for STHTF especially in america....
Here is Australia, things aren't so bad and DAMN i love my internet...
Originally posted by robbinsj
reply to post by PS3Geek
No, Just want change. The system in place put 95% of the worlds $$$ in 5% or less of the worlds people. The sad part is it is not getting better, the middle class is joining the poor and the rich are getting richer.The job situation is bad and anyone with a job does not want to look for better work now. Then your boss keeps pushing you around knowing they can get someone with a degree to do a job that does not require it.
Yea, I want a new system not death.