reply to post by PS3Geek
No, although I have often thought about what it would be like. Good question. I like modern medicine, being able to get antibiotics for an abscess
tooth, eye infections, UTI's, pain relievers for when my back goes out. I like to be able to go to the eye doctor to see. I wear contacts and my kids
all have glasses. I mean just the whole vision/seeing thing is huge for me. Without them, I'm blind as a bat! And childbirth? Very scary. If you look
back in history there was alot of suffering from diseases that couldn't be cured and can you imagine watching your loved ones, children dying slow
painful deaths and not being able to do a damn thing about it? I think of the small pox outbreaks in the Native cultures and the plagues, etc. I
suppose that was the SHTF to those people at the time. I love the movies like Red Dawn, The Road, Mad Max, Independence Day, etc.; they are just
plain fun. I doubt the reality of it would be anything close to fun, though. So, no deep down I don't want the SHTF to happen but I sure hope I could
survive it.
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reply posted on 3-10-2010 @ 10:20 PM by Asktheanimals
reply to post by PS3Geek
Some times the patient must feel worse for the illness to get better.
It doesn't have to be that way, but somehow I doubt there can be a mass awakening of the populace and then any sort of coordinated action by them.
This is why I think government has the upper hand at all times.
We live in times where wrong has become the norm of government behavior.
It needs to be changed but not at the price of total chaos,
Liberty means little to the destitute.
I suppose it comes down to preferring death to slavery; at that point even the sheeple will push the gates.
Some times the patient must feel worse for the illness to get better.
It doesn't have to be that way, but somehow I doubt there can be a mass awakening of the populace and then any sort of coordinated action by them.
This is why I think government has the upper hand at all times.
We live in times where wrong has become the norm of government behavior.
It needs to be changed but not at the price of total chaos,
Liberty means little to the destitute.
I suppose it comes down to preferring death to slavery; at that point even the sheeple will push the gates.
reply posted on 4-10-2010 @ 08:53 AM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by BAZ752
Thus far your post is the most intellegent.
As far as the poster that could fish and farm off the land.....................not if the water and land are radiated and or chemically mucked up. Better pray if TSHTF the wind blows the icky stuff away from wherever you are. Something as simple as wind direction could mean the difference between life and death.
Also, if TSHTF was nuclear, we could have a winter that would last with no sunlight for centuries, a mini ice age. (God I hate when the temp goes below 60).
Anyone that would wish a SHTF event is either crazy or has no real comprehension of how harsh life afterwards would become.
I've had a very exciting life, like living through a tornado, a flood, one small earth quake and one tremor that lasted for two minutes in Missouri around 1965-66, I've had a big gun pointed at me at close range and various other things and while these events qualify as "little stuff" they were scary enough and made me realize how thin of a thread we are on and how easily with just one snip we could be plunged into a living hell.
Most people have no idea how horrible it would be for the first few decades (or longer).
Thus far your post is the most intellegent.
As far as the poster that could fish and farm off the land.....................not if the water and land are radiated and or chemically mucked up. Better pray if TSHTF the wind blows the icky stuff away from wherever you are. Something as simple as wind direction could mean the difference between life and death.
Also, if TSHTF was nuclear, we could have a winter that would last with no sunlight for centuries, a mini ice age. (God I hate when the temp goes below 60).
Anyone that would wish a SHTF event is either crazy or has no real comprehension of how harsh life afterwards would become.
I've had a very exciting life, like living through a tornado, a flood, one small earth quake and one tremor that lasted for two minutes in Missouri around 1965-66, I've had a big gun pointed at me at close range and various other things and while these events qualify as "little stuff" they were scary enough and made me realize how thin of a thread we are on and how easily with just one snip we could be plunged into a living hell.
Most people have no idea how horrible it would be for the first few decades (or longer).
reply posted on 4-10-2010 @ 10:03 AM by BAZ752
reply to post by ofhumandescent
You certainly fall into the category of having been there and done that, respectively and so you obviously speak from experience be it either good or bad.
I am reminded of one coversation I had with an ex-marine commando who elaborated on a siutation he and 2 other soldiers had to endure for just under 96 hrs in eastern europe. Apart from the more obvious exercises he and his colleagues were accustom to in survival methods, he said the one of the most difficult thing was finding a suitable means of disposing of their own faeces without compromising their position or drawing attention by roaming stray animals. 4 days might not seem a lot, but when 3 adult males need to consume enough food and water to remain coherent and in a readily functional state of being, excretion is just one thing they had to deal with. I agree this is not really in direct relation to survival a 'SHTF' event, but it puts much to the perspective when in absolute isolation.
Again, as I mentioned in my first post on this thread, the variables are just too great for anyone to give a plausible and rational suggestion as to how they would survive, given that there are to many elements, risks and unknowns to factor in.
I agree in that many of us have probably romanticised with the survival scenario where we ultimately become exclusively self-sufficient, but the realities do not represent good will or human nature, they only represent cause and effect in that situation. The reason that it does is because there would very likely be little or no control one could have.
Still, it is always beneficial to learn and understand survival techniques that can be applied to a set number of plausible scenarios. Common place, as discussed, could be nuclear fall-out, natural disaster, BCW, or general civil unrest. The latter of course arguably would allow for a person to better demonstrate their skills to survive as there would be no environmental challenges to pursue.
You certainly fall into the category of having been there and done that, respectively and so you obviously speak from experience be it either good or bad.
I am reminded of one coversation I had with an ex-marine commando who elaborated on a siutation he and 2 other soldiers had to endure for just under 96 hrs in eastern europe. Apart from the more obvious exercises he and his colleagues were accustom to in survival methods, he said the one of the most difficult thing was finding a suitable means of disposing of their own faeces without compromising their position or drawing attention by roaming stray animals. 4 days might not seem a lot, but when 3 adult males need to consume enough food and water to remain coherent and in a readily functional state of being, excretion is just one thing they had to deal with. I agree this is not really in direct relation to survival a 'SHTF' event, but it puts much to the perspective when in absolute isolation.
Again, as I mentioned in my first post on this thread, the variables are just too great for anyone to give a plausible and rational suggestion as to how they would survive, given that there are to many elements, risks and unknowns to factor in.
I agree in that many of us have probably romanticised with the survival scenario where we ultimately become exclusively self-sufficient, but the realities do not represent good will or human nature, they only represent cause and effect in that situation. The reason that it does is because there would very likely be little or no control one could have.
Still, it is always beneficial to learn and understand survival techniques that can be applied to a set number of plausible scenarios. Common place, as discussed, could be nuclear fall-out, natural disaster, BCW, or general civil unrest. The latter of course arguably would allow for a person to better demonstrate their skills to survive as there would be no environmental challenges to pursue.
reply posted on 4-10-2010 @ 11:35 AM by Zippidee
reply to post by anthbes
Ha, Yeah I used to think the same. Guess what? Masses of people will become proficient at hunting and fishing because they will need to for survival. There will be direct competition for your resources so instead of shooting a deer or filleting a fish, you will have to condition yourself for putting a bullet into the chest of someone that threatens your cache. In all likely hood this will be the likes of a person you are accustomed to sharing a church pew with on Sunday. It is the one spark that will put the general frame of an individuals mind into a prime evil tail spin. The greatest chance of survival in this situation is to network now. Gather your neighbors and plan. Networking with shared responsibilities and a communal attitude will be the only way to get through such an event. I have no problem sharing with those that can contribute to such a group survival scenario but unfortunately the mental stability of a common person will be compromised as that individual watches his family suffer. I'm sure the hardened survivalist, such as so many of us, would pull through but the test of faith and resulting destruction of conscience might prove to be an unwanted condition of survival.
Ha, Yeah I used to think the same. Guess what? Masses of people will become proficient at hunting and fishing because they will need to for survival. There will be direct competition for your resources so instead of shooting a deer or filleting a fish, you will have to condition yourself for putting a bullet into the chest of someone that threatens your cache. In all likely hood this will be the likes of a person you are accustomed to sharing a church pew with on Sunday. It is the one spark that will put the general frame of an individuals mind into a prime evil tail spin. The greatest chance of survival in this situation is to network now. Gather your neighbors and plan. Networking with shared responsibilities and a communal attitude will be the only way to get through such an event. I have no problem sharing with those that can contribute to such a group survival scenario but unfortunately the mental stability of a common person will be compromised as that individual watches his family suffer. I'm sure the hardened survivalist, such as so many of us, would pull through but the test of faith and resulting destruction of conscience might prove to be an unwanted condition of survival.
reply posted on 4-10-2010 @ 02:08 PM by bestof83
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I'm eager for it to hit. Now! I mean, people mention martial law, however... There are ways around being part of martial law (legally). However. It would take a global shtf scenario for true changes to come. Them the sheeple (and I guess we the people) are controlled by other powers, not the government we think we know. Money, is an illusion and control tactic, the fda, cia, fbi and any other abc don't truly want to help us. We have givin our sovereignty blindly to wolves. When # hits the fan, ill be ready! I study natural healing and have stuff stashed to barter with. People and sheeple will have to fend for their own. The ones dying in masses will most likely be the sheeps who fallow the wolves to fema camps!
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I'm eager for it to hit. Now! I mean, people mention martial law, however... There are ways around being part of martial law (legally). However. It would take a global shtf scenario for true changes to come. Them the sheeple (and I guess we the people) are controlled by other powers, not the government we think we know. Money, is an illusion and control tactic, the fda, cia, fbi and any other abc don't truly want to help us. We have givin our sovereignty blindly to wolves. When # hits the fan, ill be ready! I study natural healing and have stuff stashed to barter with. People and sheeple will have to fend for their own. The ones dying in masses will most likely be the sheeps who fallow the wolves to fema camps!
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reply posted on 5-10-2010 @ 04:25 PM by Gazrok
reply to post by PS3Geek
It also means no going to the grocery store to get food, you have to hunt, fish, grow your own (each day, as you likely won't have a fridge for it). Have you ever actually hunted and skinned an animal? Not the easiest (or most pleasant) task in the world, I'll tell you.
No tv's, no tv programming, no computers, no internet, and no air conditioning (try living in Florida with no AC)...
Boiling your own water, just to drink (and don't think that all those mountain streams are so pure, you never know what's upriver, like a deer corpse in the water, etc.)...(and rivers are nature's bathrooms)
As for fending off looters, how would you like to have been the PERFECT survivalist...you prepared for EVERYTHING....only to have it stolen from you by a gang of 20 idiots with guns. You've got your family to protect....you'll give it to them...believe me.
Nothing like dying from a broken foot, or some disease wiped out before you were born, now that there are no doctors around.
We may talk about surviving such a scenario, and while part of it may seem exciting and new, most of us who are sane really hope it NEVER happens...especially those of us who truly have considered what would be lost.
but you won't have to work for the gov just for yourself and family hunting for food and fending off looters
It also means no going to the grocery store to get food, you have to hunt, fish, grow your own (each day, as you likely won't have a fridge for it). Have you ever actually hunted and skinned an animal? Not the easiest (or most pleasant) task in the world, I'll tell you.
No tv's, no tv programming, no computers, no internet, and no air conditioning (try living in Florida with no AC)...
Boiling your own water, just to drink (and don't think that all those mountain streams are so pure, you never know what's upriver, like a deer corpse in the water, etc.)...(and rivers are nature's bathrooms)
As for fending off looters, how would you like to have been the PERFECT survivalist...you prepared for EVERYTHING....only to have it stolen from you by a gang of 20 idiots with guns. You've got your family to protect....you'll give it to them...believe me.
Nothing like dying from a broken foot, or some disease wiped out before you were born, now that there are no doctors around.
We may talk about surviving such a scenario, and while part of it may seem exciting and new, most of us who are sane really hope it NEVER happens...especially those of us who truly have considered what would be lost.
reply posted on 5-10-2010 @ 06:05 PM by argentus
reply to post by Gazrok
Thank you. You have thought about this, and it shows.
In November of 2008 we were whacked by a major hurricane, and it took out our power, phone, etc. All structures were damaged, some completely destroyed.
We were prepared. We have a whole room in our house (formerly the spare bedroom) that is wall-to-wall shelving and cabinets that holds our prep stuff. Water was not a problem for us, and in fact we filled many containers for people with filtered water.
You know what was the most cherished survival tool for us, the thing that made us feel calm and resolved? My wife's blackberry. Yep, that's right. Even though six of the cell towers were damaged, the signal got through, and we could communicate with the outside world. That meant everything. I think it's possible that people underestimate the power and usefulness of communication.
Remember the movie Red Dawn? Yah, doesn't play so well in these times, but there were things in there that still ring kinda true. The kids that headed for the hills survived, but they struggled with not knowing what was going on "down below" in the towns.
Hurricane Paloma really brought it home for me. Our systems worked, and even though we were without conventional power/internet/phone for four months, we did just fine. I think I would've fared a LOT worse without the beloved Blackberry. My Bride was fine -- no outside word, no worries. Me, the resident whackamole, I would've imagined worse things than actually happened without the email input. My brother-from-another-mother was on the job and told me he'd email us if anything "wacky" happened.
Communication is underrated when we are considering bugging out, or mobilizing in the aftermath of SitX.
Thank you. You have thought about this, and it shows.
In November of 2008 we were whacked by a major hurricane, and it took out our power, phone, etc. All structures were damaged, some completely destroyed.
We were prepared. We have a whole room in our house (formerly the spare bedroom) that is wall-to-wall shelving and cabinets that holds our prep stuff. Water was not a problem for us, and in fact we filled many containers for people with filtered water.
You know what was the most cherished survival tool for us, the thing that made us feel calm and resolved? My wife's blackberry. Yep, that's right. Even though six of the cell towers were damaged, the signal got through, and we could communicate with the outside world. That meant everything. I think it's possible that people underestimate the power and usefulness of communication.
Remember the movie Red Dawn? Yah, doesn't play so well in these times, but there were things in there that still ring kinda true. The kids that headed for the hills survived, but they struggled with not knowing what was going on "down below" in the towns.
Hurricane Paloma really brought it home for me. Our systems worked, and even though we were without conventional power/internet/phone for four months, we did just fine. I think I would've fared a LOT worse without the beloved Blackberry. My Bride was fine -- no outside word, no worries. Me, the resident whackamole, I would've imagined worse things than actually happened without the email input. My brother-from-another-mother was on the job and told me he'd email us if anything "wacky" happened.
Communication is underrated when we are considering bugging out, or mobilizing in the aftermath of SitX.
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