The living eugenics movement?

I stumbled across this organization LEARN and their Genocide Awareness Project

I found this section interesting....

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today?

First, I want to state that this is a conspiracy thread, not a debate on abortion in general. I want to pose a question to Pro-lifers and Pro-Choicers alike. We all know that some of the early supporters of reproductive-rights, which I think its safe to say we can all cheer for in some ways (condoms, the pill, safe sex education), were also frequently involved in the pseudo-science of eugenics. There's no reason to deny that early connection.

What I'd like to know is, whether or not you agree with abortion on demand: Is it possible that some actions taken by large and well-funded groups, such as Planned Parenthood, are intentionally geared toward certain minority groups or motivated by eugenics.

If this were the case, it would have to be a conspiracy at the highest levels of these organizations. There might even be complicity on behalf of government and maybe even some Pro-life groups, who focus efforts more in white areas. Has LEARN raised a question about conspiracy worth investigating? Do you think that racist beliefs could motivate the higher echelons of so-called progressive groups.

I leave you with 2 thoughts:

1. The 'over-servicing' of minority areas may be a direct result of the poverty in those same areas. So, little conspiracy there.

2. This video:

reply to post by snusfanatic


Genocide ....

This would be the biological mother of the unborn child choosing to have an abortion .

Genocide .....

I think you've found a staggeringly telling statistic but have come to the wrong conclusion with it. The abortion statistic isn't, IMO, an indication of a conspiracy towards genocide...

It's a side effect of a conspiracy to keep wealth from minorities. The poor tend to have higher abortion rates than the wealthy.

Malt liquor, apparently, follows the same pattern. White neighborhoods have beer billboards. Ghettos, malt liquor.

reply to post by UmbraSumus


Well, they (LEARN) identify it as genocide because they are pro-life. So the question you raise doesn't matter to them. I tried deliberately not to use the term 'genocide' (unless it happened to be in a quote from them), because I'm mostly interested in the specific allegation.

While it might not be genocide, it could very well be the result of conscious decisions motivated by racism or a belief in eugenics. I refer you to this document. Now, I realize that Sanger has long been dead, but could students of this kind of thought still be occupying positions in the organizations she helped create?

While a black mother may be the one making the ultimate choice to have an abortion, organizations like Planned Parenthood know better than anyone that any final 'choice' is just a function of available options, influence, and then finally your own personal decision. That's why they consistently rage against crisis pregnancy centers.

Knowing that mothers often have weeks, or even months to make their decision - why the outright hostility toward any other group influencing the ultimate 'choice'? Aren't women rational actors who should be expected to explore options, seek advice from as many different people as they can, and ultimately come to an informed decision?

This is the first order question. Second, since crisis centers don't generally compete with Planned Parenthood's services, I think its safe to assume that PP considers the competition to be one of knowledge and decision making. Why?

I'm not entirely convinced this is a conspiracy, but that's the question. Lets all assume, correctly, that the woman has the legal right to make the final choice. Still, PP has to know that their presence and activity in a certain area will generate more abortions, etc. Now, combine that with the statistics given by LEARN.

Why those kinds of placement rates? Why those results? Is it possible that either the influence or outright practice of eugenics lives on?

reply to post by Hefficide


That's a good point, and pretty much echo's my main doubt about any possible conspiracy. Still, malt liquor v. champagne could be purely boiled down to economics. I doubt a decision by a non-profit, absent a true market of supply and demand for abortions would fall as clearly into that model without some other motive seeping in.

It might be a function of poverty in minority areas, but then again, almost everyone I've ever known who has sought an abortion (and most of my pro-choice friends) tend to be college educated females. Simple poverty might not be enough to explain the placement of these centers. A couple of these women had to drive a LOOONG way to receive their abortions.

I think some kind of 'who gets abortions' graph would be in order here. Blacks may get a disproportionate amount of abortions. But what I'd like to see is the overall numbers of abortions, broken down by black and white, etc. Then cross referenced against the placement of centers.

If white residents of suburbs seek even 50% of abortions, then those LEARN statistics are pretty damning.

reply to post by snusfanatic

Is it possible that some actions taken by large and well-funded groups, such as Planned Parenthood, are intentionally geared toward certain minority groups or motivated by eugenics.

Is it possible? Certainly. But what's the problem?

If an individual wants something, and somebody else wants them to have it, is it so terrible for that person to give it to them? These people are not breaking into peoples houses and forcing abortions on anyone.

If a single, pregnant black woman wants an abortion, but can't pay for it...and she goes to a white supremacist who wants there to be fewer black babies, and if he then pays for her to have the abortion she wants...they both got what they wanted, didn't they?

What's the problem?

reply to post by snusfanatic

I think some kind of 'who gets abortions'graph would be in order here.

According to some random website that was the firs t result of a google search, in 1995 there were 294,793 "white" abortions, and 197,456 "Black/Other" abortions.

According to statehealthfacts.org, in 2006, 53.6% of US abortions were "white" 35% were "black" 7.5% were "other" and 3.5% were "unknown.

graph

Second example has graphs. Both sites agree that there are more aborted white babies than any other race.

Note also that according to census.gov (note this is a PDF link), in 2006, the overall birth rate for whites is 13.7 births per thousand, for blacks is 16.8 per thousand, for "American Indian/Eskimo/Aleut" is 14.9 per thousand, and for "Asian or Pacific Islander" is 16.6 per thousand.

So more white abortions than any other race, and whites have the lowest birth rate of any race. Meanwhile, blacks have the highest birthrate of any listed race.

If anyone is trying to exterminate the black race, they're not doing a very good job of it.

reply to post by LordBucket


They may not be doing a very good job but if the 'demand' for abortion is approximately 60% white and 40% black and the 'supply' of abortion clinics is almost exactly reversed (or worse), then what does that say about the decision making process of PP?

If Sanger was still alive we'd have our answer. But that's why I ask if there might still be elements or beliefs within the organization that would elicit such poor(?) planning.

reply to post by snusfanatic

if the 'demand' for abortion is approximately 60% white and 40% black and the 'supply' of abortion clinics is almost exactly reversed (or worse), then what does that say about the decision making process of PP?

If that is true, then the implication would be that someone at Planned Parenthood has an agenda. But I ask again, what's the problem? I see no problem with giving people what they want when it suits your purposes, so long as nobody is compelling anyone.

If a black woman wants an abortion, and a white supremacist wants to pay for it...would you have the woman refuse, and live the rest of her life with a child she doesn't want, just because somebody else perceives benefit from giving her what she wants?

Originally posted by snusfanatic


I think some kind of 'who gets abortions' graph would be in order here. Blacks may get a disproportionate amount of abortions. But what I'd like to see is the overall numbers of abortions, broken down by black and white, etc. Then cross referenced against the placement of centers.

If white residents of suburbs seek even 50% of abortions, then those LEARN statistics are pretty damning.

Age Group & Race % Abortions (older data 94*)


Year 94`



White 60.5 %

Black 34.7 %

Other 4.8 %
Abortion Stats


I`m sure there is a socio-economic element to this .

Here's a post I made a while back in a similar thread (I even got an Aplause for this one):

Originally posted by FortAnthem
reply to post by genius/idoit

 

How Planned Parenthood Duped America

At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the "black" and "yellow" peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

Sanger's other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as "scientific" and "humanitarian." And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America's human "breeding stock" and purging America's "bad strains." These "strains" included the "shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of antisocial whites of the South."

Not to be outdone by her followers, Margaret Sanger spoke of sterilizing those she designated as "unfit," a plan she said would be the "salvation of American civilization.: And she also spike of those who were "irresponsible and reckless," among whom she included those " whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers." She further contended that "there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped." That many Americans of African origin constituted a segment of Sanger considered "unfit" cannot be easily refuted.

Blackgenocide.org

Planned parenthood is a racist organization which seeks to eliminate the “dark skinned” element in society through birth control, sterilization and abortion. The abortion arm of the organization is their big money maker. In order to keep the money flowing in, they promote promiscuity in the youth. Promiscuous youth = more pregnancies, thus more abortions and bucket loads of cash for Planned Parenthood.

But here's what is sinister. In order to make lots and lots of money, Planned Parenthood, just like any other "service provider," needs lots and lots of customers, and the best way to get those customers is to promote the very behaviors which create them. Specifically, to manipulate kids - under the guise of so-called "comprehensive sex education" - to engage in promiscuous, casual sex as soon and as often as possible. It's simple supply and demand. Planned Parenthood encourages the behaviors which create the demand and then dutifully offers its deadly supply.

To that end, Planned Parenthood has created a new promotional Web site that targets youth. It's called "Take Care Down There" (www.takecaredownthere.org). It features short, near pornographic "public service" video vignettes which, among other things, promote casual sex, immodesty, homosexuality and even group sex.

For example, in perfect keeping with its demonstrably racist, loosey-goosey sexual tradition, one of the Planned Parenthood videos depicts what appears to be a teenage African-American male relegated to performing oral sex - in public - on a white teenage male. Another white male (a creepy adult authority figure who seems just a little too interested) walks up and begins giving instructions. The white teenager then says, "I didn't even spew."

Source

For those who doubt the racist motives of Planned Parenthood:

Race and abortion politics will merge Thursday when a group of African-American pastors, led by the niece of Martin Luther King Jr., march on the Democratic and Republican Party headquarters to demand that candidates refuse donations from Planned Parenthood. The reason: They believe that Planned Parenthood allows racist donors to designate that their money go to fund abortions of blacks. Planned Parenthood has outlined a $10 million campaign to fund candidates who support abortion. But the ministers say they have evidence in videos that African-American babies are being targeted. The group tells Washington Whispers that it is circulating two YouTube videos in which a racist donor wins agreement from Planned Parenthood workers to have his donation designated for blacks. A similar protest took place in front of Planned Parenthood in Washington in April.

Source

Here’s a youtube video showing this practice:

Even leftwing activist Al Sharpton acknowledges Planned Parenthood’s racist leanings:

All of the speakers mentioned the prevalence of Planned Parenthood’s in low-income, African-American neighborhoods and Rev. Clinard Childress call for a boycott of the clinics by black leaders -- specifically Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the Urban League and the NAACP -- until the racist allegations are resolved, at least by the firing of those employees who willingly accepted the racist donations.

“Black America must wake up and stand up to this racist organization that purposefully plants abortion facilities firmly in black and minority neighborhoods and urban communities -- sometimes, right next door to schools,” said Day Gardner, President of the National Black Pro-Life Union (NBPLU), pointing out a charter school directly connected to that particular clinic.

The NBPLU sent a letter to Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama yesterday, asking that he condemn PP’s “racist business practices.” The letter also documents numerous ongoing criminal investigations around the country in PP clinics who failed to report child sexual abuse or falsified records. It was signed by 31 black leaders and pastors, all who call on black America in general to address the issue with more weight.
Source

See folks, it’s all about killing the unborn for money to support racism.

Still think Planned Parenthood's racism is a thing of the past?

Many in the black community don't. They see Planned parenthood's goal as being the slow genocide of their race.

Why is the issue of abortion so important to black American leaders? Black communities are being devastated by abortion which is tantamount to black genocide. 35% of abortions in the United States are performed on African-American women, while they represent only 12% of our nation’s female population. According to the 2000 Census, 14 million (17 million as of 2007) African-American children have been killed through abortion. This means that more African-American babies have been killed by abortion during the past 30 years than the total number of African-American deaths from all other causes combined, including AIDS, heart disease, cancer, violent crimes and accidents. This is a crisis in black America that Obama does not care about. [all emphasis in the original] NBRA

The video that is addressed can be found here. It is about 9 minutes long and very informative.

Planned Parenthood started and continues with a goal of eradicating the black race and the Democratic Party has always been more than happy to help out. The Democrats are the ones with the history of racism, slavery, Jim Crow, and lynchings as well as formation of their strong arm, the KKK. Democrats have long held disdain for blacks and only use them in order to gain votes.

With the Hispanic vote being courted so heavily and the numbers of them increasing, blacks will soon be replaced by Hispanics as the favorite disadvantaged group in America but only as long as Hispanics vote without question, for Democrats and while blacks are being eradicated through abortion.

Source

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by FortAnthem

post I made a while back

...if providing abortions to black women who want them is a racist plot to eliminate blacks...then surely your efforts to villify the people who provide those abortions is a racist plot to discourage black abortions so blacks can overwhelm whites.

Right?

they promote promiscuity in the youth.
Promiscuous youth = more pregnancies

...so their goal is to eliminate blacks...and to accomplish that they're encouraging blacks to have more pregnancies.

I think you need to make up your mind.


Also...you quoted eight screens worth of text and added one line and one link to it. You might want to review the excessive quoting guidelines

reply to post by LordBucket


Hey, any smart racist genocidal group couldn't last for long if they didn't keep the money coming in. Since its not very PC these days to come right out and say; "Hey, give us money to keep killing blacks", they instead, promote immorality among the youth in order to keep the money flowing in.

That's the reason they promote immorality among youth of all colors and why white abotrions still outnumber black abortions; they need to cast a wide net to bring in order to bring in the funds they need to destroy the poor and the minorities which has always been their ultimate goal.

reply to post by snusfanatic

White women in the US have an average birth rate of maybe 1.7. So they dont need abortions.

There should be a limit of 1 genetic child per family with the second child a product of eugenics, and no third child.

reply to post by FortAnthem

racist genocidal group couldn't last for long

Ok, so again...if providing abortions to black women who want them is to you a racist plot to eliminate blacks, then wouldn't you agree that it's reasonable for others to see your villification of planned parenthood as a racist plot to increase the number of blacks even more?

white abotrions still outnumber black abortions

So you agree that white abortions still outnumber black abortions. And links were provided earlier showing that blacks have the highest birthrate of any race in the US. So blacks are in no danger.

But what's your goal here? Are you trying to scare blacks out of getting abortions even if they want them? Won't that have the result of making black birthrates even higher than they already are?

So you're a racist seeking to make blacks overwhelm whites. Right?

reply to post by LordBucket


Wow!

I love how you twist my words around to mean something the total oppostie of what I said.

You need to come check out my latest thread, you could kick but there.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I want to encourage a return to the conspiratorial issues in this thread!

A conspiracy is defined as:

con·spir·a·cy (kn-spîr-s)
n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.

Lets steer away from the social good v. moral evil argument of abortion and keep it on track. Is Planned Parenthood still motivated by the sinister/subversive motive of racial cleansing?

I am pointing fingers at no one. This post is an attempt to move this thread back to the conspiracy forum where it belongs. But if you personally feels you are in violation of this wish, please comply.

reply to post by snusfanatic


almost all conspiracies can be explained away by "who cares?"

for instance:

"who cares if there's a one world government in the making....too much war anyways."

or

"who cares if there's hidden free energy....with this power nation could wage wars on unimaginable levels."

So far no body has truly disputed the issue of why such disproportionate statistics (with regard to abortion rates/ placement of centers) and provided a coincidal explanation of PP's ties to eugenics in the past. It seems we have a true conspiracy here....so far.....

So minus the 'so what? whats the problem?' argument what is there left?

Let the masses decide if they care that a 1billion$ plus org has racist aims. Let the masses decide if a politically influential org having racially motivating, eugenic minded leanings means anything to their voting choices.

Lets decide, is there a racial bias?

this seems serious...

Statistically, black communities are more poor, have more children, and are less educated, so I see nothing wrong with Planned parenthood targeting these groups prioritically. Its not about the race, its about the way of life. No racial conspiracy here.

Also, how can anything voluntary be cosidered "genocide" or crime? Unless you are pro-life, thus considering all abortions genocide. But if you are pro-choice, I see no way how this can be called such.