posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 02:46 AM
Originally posted by Hawkssss
I came to this forum for some intellegent discussion and yet people like you simply want to call us "thief", "exploiter of children", etc. I
don't think that consititute intelligent and meaningful discussion. So I would like to clarify a few points with you here so we can carry on with
Let's start here, I do not want to "simply" call anyone anything. The issue in China stealing US technology is not only a well known well
documented fact it is also a real issue that can be brought up in a intellectual meaningful conversation. You have not presented anything that says
1) I said I never wanted to sound provocative and antagonistic against the US. In fact I have again and again acknowledged that the US's military
budget is larger than the rest of the world's combined, so is your Navy. These are facts and I did not mean to mock the US in any way by stating
Well you did sound provocative by implying the China is smarter than the US because you keep your ships near your coast line. It is snide innuendo,
and to me it is considered provocative. You are on a slippery slope here, simply because you say you do not wish to sound antagonistic does not mean
you can state personal opinions that are antagonistic and expect them not to be taken that way.
2) China and US are mutually dependent. We need you and you need us. Simple as that. Today's world is no longer isolated as you would like to see
it. US corporations are pouring huge amount of capital into China not because they are doing charity work, but for the sake of making a profit, a
profit which keeps the folks back home employed. You see, corporation which are the drivers of the world today have a far better understanding than
you folks do.
I don't know where to begin on this one, it contains one fact supported by antagonistic rhetoric. like " Today's world is no longer isolated as you
would like to see it." Are you psychic? Some how you see that we want the world to be isolated yet we are the biggest supporter of globalization? You
claim to know what I would like to see? You claim "corporations" have a better understanding than I do? They are made up of people and I as a person
have quite a bit of understanding. Please don't belittle me by pretending you know what my understanding of anything is. As far as US companies
moving to China to take advantage of your low standard of living and child labor. I don't know what part of that you think is "good" for us "folks
back home." It's not a "good" thing at all in my view and in the peoples views who have lost their jobs.
3) China does not exploit 15 year child as a state policy. In fact, I can show you many such deplorable things that you folks engage in in the US as
well. However, I am not trying to mock the US again. I am simply trying to tell you that no one is perfect and if all you are good at is yelling
empty political and propaganda slogans, kudos to you because once again you have shown the rest of the world why Bush was able to dope the country
into a ficticious war.
But China does look the other way as a unspoken state policy. if they didn't than it wouldn't be happening at such a ramped rate. You can name all
the "deplorable" things the US has done and it will still have nothing to do with this conversation. The whole "you did it too" routine is one
that is meant for misdirection, it is far easier to point the finger than it is to look at yourself. President Bush Lied to the planet, he is disliked
by most the world with good reason, my personal view is he and the administration should be tried in the world court for the crimes they have
committed including breaking the Geneva Convention. Just like your leaders should be heal accountable for things like Tianimen Square. The problem is,
who is going to arrest them LOL!!
4) Are you aware of what you folks did to Africans and native americans? Again, I am not trying to bring up these things to mock the US; I am simply
telling you no one is perfect and all large nations abuse their own citizens and others one way or another. So you might want to think twice next
time you call someone thief because you yourself might just be the biggest thief in human history.
Yes I am aware of what happened to the African Americans and the Native Americans. It is also part of our history. I would love to go into it on a
different thread because it has nothing to do with this conversation. Again you are using misdirection to avoid talking about the issues. It is in bad
form all the way here.
5) You don't simply bomb another country's sovereign territory (embassy) just because it sold stuff to your enemies. Selling arms to enemies happen
all the time which the US does all the time. This is simply yet another case of the arrogance and misappropriation of your power. Do you know, angry
Beijingers almost burnt down your embassy in Beijing after the bombing? would you like to have the relationship between our two countries to escalate
Yes, yes you do start bombing another countries sovereign territory when they knowingly participate in the murder of your citizens, in fact I wish we
did it more often. If the relationship between our 2 countries did escalate to the point of no return than the world as we know it would be dead.
Billions of innocent people would be killed who have done nothing wrong. So maybe before China decides to sell weapons and equipment that they know
will be used to murder US citizens they should stop and think about the consequences of their actions.