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Originally posted by Khonsu
The interesting thing with Street gangs is that the original ones, ALKN, BGDN, BPSN, etc. arose during the 60's in response to the oppression and injustices that minority communities were facing at the hands of the city, police and government. Initially they protected the community, ran after school and community programs, helped in the upkeep of the community and even instructed members in some of the ancient knowledge and teachings that had made its way to america via Nobel Drew Ali and the Moorish Science Temple of America.
Originally posted by nathraq
Originally posted by Byrd
Really, an interesting topic... and as an anthropology student, I'd love hearing more about this. Nathraq -- was it geography or race or something else that defined which population (people or folk) that a gang fell into?
In Chicago, as in most citiers, gangs were primarily formed as a sort of 'protection' for their various ethnic groups. In Chicago, the Latin Kings, Latin Counts, Spanish Gangster Disciples, 22 Boyz, 26thSt( Two-Sixers), are primarily Latinos.
The Black Gangster Disciples, Vice Lords, 4 Corner Hustlers are primarily Black.
The White gangs are Imperial Gangsters, Ambrose, Heads, Gaylords, and Simon City Royals.
This is by no means a complete list of gangs in Chicago. Just the larger ones.
Geography really doesn't play a role anymore; just in the smaller gangs. The 12th Street Players and Noble Knights( who were once predominately Italian, and are now a mix of White and Latino) are centered in Cicero. the Two-Sixers and 22nd Street Boyz originated in Latino neighborhoods, and are now so widespread and diverse, no-one can keep track anymore.
As for 'People or Folks', there is no set pattern, as both are equally mixed of different ethnic backgrounds.
This is graffiti from the Spanish Lords, a gang in the People Alliance. Note the Pitchfork going down. The Spearhead, a sign of the Gang Ambrose., is also going down. This is a sign of disrespect. The pitchfork pointing up is the Symbol for Folks; pointed down, a symbol for People.
More to follow.........
Originally posted by alien
As some here know me, they know I've had some experience with the gang lifestyle...won't go into specifics, as thats in the past...best kept there...but...I found it fitted what I was looking for at the time...an identity, a family. But thats all it was...a replacement for what was lacking - in my life and in myself.
There ARE some pretty standup dudes in most gangs...but the sad thing is from what I saw predominately it was all bullshyte. It was all just insecurity masked with aggression...covering up for their own inner weakness...acting tough and throwing down on someone just to prove how much of a man they were when in fact being a mans got nothing to do with who you beat down. Being strongs got nothing to do with how you hold your turf or who fears you...thats fake, thats empty, thats plain bullshyte.
Fear is not respect. Fear is not strength. Fear is fake.
True strength ain't about being hard...its about being strong enough in and of yourself to be soft. Its about offering a hand up, rather than a beat down. But when you're in the scene your sense of perspective is perverted...its what you know...its ALL you know. Thats life...and the thing is that not only do you not tend to see any other way of living...for some you wouldn't even WANT any other way of living. As wicked as it is...thats what you know...thats your lot...or so you believe. So your definitions of what IS strength are all fecked up...its like "Yeah bro, drunk blah blah, smoked blah blah, hooked up and bashed over blah blah...HARD!" But thats how it was/is...so I ain't gonna hate on someone still in the scene.
Thankfully I got shown another way and shown I did have an identity apart from the patch I wore on my back...walked away from it all and now work as a Community Mental Health Worker, specifically dealing with 'troubled' youth and also working in Youth Drug and Alcohol rehab programmes...just trying to get my younger 'brothers' clean and hopefully show them there is another life there if they want it.
Originally posted by The_Squid
If sombody is in a Crime Syndicate or Gang, you dont want to mess with them because you know if u mess with 1 of them, your eventually gunna have ALL of them after you, THAT is a type of respect.
Here's an easy example, when you were/are at school theres usually a person in your age group that is tougher than the rest of the people in your age group, you dont mess with them, because you know he is tough and could easily have you in a fight (unless you are quite tough yourself) and you respect that person for that.
There are many different ways to "respect" a person, try not to use it as a general term.
The interesting thing with Street gangs is that the original ones, ALKN, BGDN, BPSN, etc. arose during the 60's in response to the oppression and injustices that minority communities were facing
Originally posted by Shadowflux
I was born in, raised in, and still live in New York City. I've known a good number of gang members. From what I've heard the real Bloods and Crips orginated in LA, but it doesn't take much of an imagination to see people adopting the name. Here is Manhatten one of the biggest gangs is the Latin Kings, their colors are yellow and black and their grafitti is identifiable by the crown drawn next to their "tag" or street name. Basically though, a gang is exactly that, a gang of people. In certain areas, specifically in areas largely consisting of a given minority i.e. Spanish Harlem you'll find ethnocentric gangs with the ability to grow dependant on the population of that group. Nowadays the LK are pretty big, with leaders, and sub leaders etc, but it still started out as a street gang and in essence is still a street gang, organizing and controlling vices much as any organized crime gang/mafia/syndicate/what have you does. the only relation these gangs could have to any conspiracy theory would be their being hired to do some kind of dirty work, but really only if it consisted of selling drugs, prostitution, robbery, or feuding with other gangs. But yes, they do have secret hand shakes, secret code words, special greetings, special names, special symbols, but these are arbitrary and ultimatley of no importance as one regional offshoot may not recognize another's "secret handshake"
Originally posted by nathraq
...That's why I joined the army after High-School. That's why I had a top-secret clearance, and built nuclear warheads. For the attraction of it.
Originally posted by nathraq
Originally posted by 23rd_Degree
The interesting thing with Street gangs is that the original ones, ALKN, BGDN, BPSN,
Is there any way that one of you guys could help me out with the meanings of the acronyms above? I'm a little confused. Thanks.
In Chicago ALKN is the Almighty Latin King Nation. BGDN is the Black Gangster Disciple NAtion. I don't know what BPSN means.