Gangs generally are feared because they are a group of people that stick up for each other. Sure If i were on my own id be scared of them... However I would much prefer to be in a CRIME SINDICATE than a STREET GANG. People take it lots more serriously than a street gang and it would last for ages and you can actually base your life on it, where-as if you are with a street gang. It will fall appart sooner or later, and once its gone its gone and then what? So I prefer Crime Sindicate's to Street Gangs anyday.

Well, here in Toledo there aren't any real gangs I know of. There was the Bayshore Bloods, but I think they got broken up. But yeah, a mafia or crime syndicate is the way to go. Gangs are not that great at making the money. I would rather be in the Mob than the Mafia.(There is a dif. Russian mafia is the mob, Italian Mafia is the mafia) They do more hardcore stuff than the mafia. Mob more about killing and power while mafia is about money making. They both do, but the mob is more bloody about it.

Well most crime sindicates are a bit big... but still i like them,
Somthing like the Manx Mafia that isnt too big is better in my opinion though

Originally posted by James the Lesser
Well, here in Toledo there aren't any real gangs I know of. There was the Bayshore Bloods, but I think they got broken up. But yeah, a mafia or crime syndicate is the way to go. Gangs are not that great at making the money. I would rather be in the Mob than the Mafia.(There is a dif. Russian mafia is the mob, Italian Mafia is the mafia) They do more hardcore stuff than the mafia. Mob more about killing and power while mafia is about money making. They both do, but the mob is more bloody about it.

Ok first of all, the word mob and mafia represent many different crime orginizations, but the Italian Mafia cornered the market on both words long before their was a Russian Crime Syndicate. The Russians do tend to be more bloody, cause they are younger, and they need or needed to solidify their position in our country. But make no mistake, they are both all about money, and they will not worry to get bloody.

Originally posted by Darktalon

Originally posted by James the Lesser
Well, here in Toledo there aren't any real gangs I know of. There was the Bayshore Bloods, but I think they got broken up. But yeah, a mafia or crime syndicate is the way to go. Gangs are not that great at making the money. I would rather be in the Mob than the Mafia.(There is a dif. Russian mafia is the mob, Italian Mafia is the mafia) They do more hardcore stuff than the mafia. Mob more about killing and power while mafia is about money making. They both do, but the mob is more bloody about it.

Ok first of all, the word mob and mafia represent many different crime orginizations, but the Italian Mafia cornered the market on both words long before their was a Russian Crime Syndicate. The Russians do tend to be more bloody, cause they are younger, and they need or needed to solidify their position in our country. But make no mistake, they are both all about money, and they will not worry to get bloody.

The word Mob just means a group of orgranized criminals, (i.e Al Capone and Crew). Capone was not permitted to be in the Mafia, due to his being Calabrese and all.

Mafia is a certain crime sindicate, usually with some form of Sicilian Mafia links to start it. MOB is generally a crime sindicate, but then was diverted as a nickname to any mafia.

Originally posted by The_Squid
Street gangs are rarly orginised, they are just usually people in groups using the safty in numbers technique to vandalise ect and are only funded by their own pocket.

Crime Sindicates like the Mafia, are the ones who are orginised and are spread throughout the world, theres the Sicilian Mafia, Italian Mafia, American Mafia, Russian Mafia, Manx Mafia... ect. Those are the ones that do drug pushing, pimping, racketeering, assasination and various other orginised crimes that bring in the money.

Street gangs as you can see are nothing like that, and are just... there.
Most street gangs arnt powerful... Those who are you dont hear of very long because the Crime Sindicate wipe them out. The ONLY one that is anything like a street gang is Diablo's... and they are still half street gang half crime sindicate.

If you have any other questions like this feel free to ask me i have a HUGE knowledge on Crime Sindicates and Street Gangs

Originally posted by Khonsu
The interesting thing with Street gangs is that the original ones, ALKN, BGDN, BPSN, etc. arose during the 60's in response to the oppression and injustices that minority communities were facing at the hands of the city, police and government. Initially they protected the community, ran after school and community programs, helped in the upkeep of the community and even instructed members in some of the ancient knowledge and teachings that had made its way to america via Nobel Drew Ali and the Moorish Science Temple of America.

You give them way too much credit. They were criminals and scum then, and they still are today. No moral crusade, just trying to make quick money at other people's expence.

Well, most street gangs are a general annoyance, crime sindicates however... the goverment COULD stop them, but they havnt so all we can say is Leave THEM alone and they will leave YOU alone.

Unlike streetgangs, you leave them alone... they get you anyway!

Originally posted by Khonsu
The interesting thing with Street gangs is that the original ones, ALKN, BGDN, BPSN,

Originally posted by BOHICA
Now imagine an organization whose members not only validate who you are, but also empower you to fight TPTB.

Is there any way that one of you guys could help me out with the meanings of the acronyms above? I'm a little confused. Thanks.

I dunno... its NEEERRRDDDD chat... lol

Originally posted by 23rd_Degree

The interesting thing with Street gangs is that the original ones, ALKN, BGDN, BPSN,

Is there any way that one of you guys could help me out with the meanings of the acronyms above? I'm a little confused. Thanks.

In Chicago ALKN is the Almighty Latin King Nation. BGDN is the Black Gangster Disciple NAtion. I don't know what BPSN means.

Black Pansy Sh*tty Nation? lol

[edit on 2-7-2004 by The_Squid]

Originally posted by Darktalon
Blood and Crips are not a gang. It is largelly the two colors that many gangs use to represent themselfs. Blood = red, Crip = Blue. IE The two biggest gangs, or sets, were I grew up (Fresno, CA) were the "Bulldogs"(named after Fresno States mascot) and Pindale(which is really a small town in Fresno) both are Bloods, and both are enemies.

Gangs form by blocks, or a group of friends, yes sometimes there are "jump-ins", but mostly that was false info passed on to wannabe gangs that thought that was how the gangs out here did things(Cali). Gang signs aren't to show other members your one of them, they know their members, they are used to show other gangs who you represent, some probably have hand shakes, and most have tattoos.

These aren't like other orginizations where you go to the next town, show a tattoo or handshake and they let you sit in on their meetings. They were more likely to kill you.

No strange occurance, there are a few reasons why gangs copy each other, or seem to be the same. Its a fad. Just like lines in their hair, pegging your pant legs, rolling one leg up. Its cool, to them, movies like Colors and music groups like "Bloods & Crips" fueled the fire.

You are giving them to much credit. The aren't that orginized, and if they do sell drugs it's usually as the pushers(pushers are the street hustlers), in the 90's, the Mexican Mafia controlled most of the drug trafficing, and I've heard that Russian gangs(not street gangs but Mafia crime sydicates) started to move in. I've distanced myself from these people a long time ago, but I use to run in those circles.

I saw a lot of gang stuff in my teens, and it was part of the reason I went into the Marine Corps to get away from it. They are nothing more then punks, that have the need to flex their 'muscles' to feel big.

Never had much to do with street gangs there aint any real ones in Arkansas other than in Little Rock

But I have been a Biker most of my life and know a bit more about Motorcycle clubs although I avoided wearing any colors myself. I forget who said it first but I would never belong to a group that would have someone like me as a member

first of all if you dont know the really dont speak on it , first off all im from the eastside of Fresno Mckenzie block, the bulldogs aint bloods , bloods are a black gang we are hispanic . the red comes from the past when we use to run with the snortenios which was established way before the bloods ever were heard of . just a little history - back in the 80s and beyond we use to run with the north , use to put in mad work for the northern cause put they didnt want to give us a high ranking spot san jose wanted to call the shot fine so we broke and went to war with them, the south didnt understand at first , when they did they called a red light on Fresno , we agreed to a truce wiht the south cool for a minute but they started trying to cal shots we aint (SCRAPS) so we went back to war with them to . Fresno county runs solo we have no shotcaller no one runs this car its all for 1 one 1for all . most times we are outnumberd in some joints like 5 on 50 or 20 on 100 , but in some joints we run the yard with100s and them fools no whats coming wether its north or south . when the dogs hit the yard 5 deep the enemy and guards for that matter say uh oh the dogs are kick up dust cause there might be 50 of them so we rush them fools ive met some southerners and northerners and after the initial friction i have been told you dogs are some crazy fools no matter what the odds or where at we get off. thats what they respect about the dogs , so know fools from the north and south are getting tired of being told what to do an when, being munipulated by there daddys (shotcallers) they like the way we do things . and want to run with the dogs . every city in fresno county runs with dogs including PINEDALE and know even fools from up north like Sacramento and down south like Bakers its all about heart , if you got love for your dogs your dogs will have love for you no matter where your from some homies still bang F14Bulldogs but not all cause they say 14 stands for the north. But the dogs started from the f14 street gang before the ran with the north so you dont know who you are if you dont know your history but the younger generation dont bang f14 just bulldogs the bulldogs are priority and we all understand, thats why other fools are liking our style.and dont think im givinin you busters(northerners) props f-U you guys got southerners all in your cities taking over you guys are some suckers oh yeah and F-U southerners too!!!!!!!

anyone have any information on punk gangs? like the anarchists, and i beleive they call there gangs TRIBES?? i dont think any have gotten famous... i just think it is a bunch of kids who want to be around others who buck the norm just as they do... if anything weed and meth are rampant in tribes... at least the little ones around here... but they are all ate up from the drugs anyways... any one heard of these from other parts of the country?

Originally posted by wetdog
anyone have any information on punk gangs? like the anarchists, and i beleive they call there gangs TRIBES?? i dont think any have gotten famous... i just think it is a bunch of kids who want to be around others who buck the norm just as they do... if anything weed and meth are rampant in tribes... at least the little ones around here... but they are all ate up from the drugs anyways... any one heard of these from other parts of the country?

From my experience, punk gangs are, for the most part, nonexistent. Most anarchists only claim to be anarchists because past punks were, and the few that are true anarchists tend to be a peaceful bunch. I wouldn't call them organized gangs, excepting some rare cases.

As some here know me, they know I've had some experience with the gang lifestyle...won't go into specifics, as thats in the past...best kept there...but...I found it fitted what I was looking for at the time...an identity, a family. But thats all it was...a replacement for what was lacking - in my life and in myself.

There ARE some pretty standup dudes in most gangs...but the sad thing is from what I saw predominately it was all bullshyte. It was all just insecurity masked with aggression...covering up for their own inner weakness...acting tough and throwing down on someone just to prove how much of a man they were when in fact being a mans got nothing to do with who you beat down. Being strongs got nothing to do with how you hold your turf or who fears you...thats fake, thats empty, thats plain bullshyte.

Fear is not respect. Fear is not strength. Fear is fake.

True strength ain't about being hard...its about being strong enough in and of yourself to be soft. Its about offering a hand up, rather than a beat down. But when you're in the scene your sense of perspective is perverted...its what you know...its ALL you know. Thats life...and the thing is that not only do you not tend to see any other way of living...for some you wouldn't even WANT any other way of living. As wicked as it is...thats what you know...thats your lot...or so you believe. So your definitions of what IS strength are all fecked up...its like "Yeah bro, drunk blah blah, smoked blah blah, hooked up and bashed over blah blah...HARD!" But thats how it was/is...so I ain't gonna hate on someone still in the scene.

Thankfully I got shown another way and shown I did have an identity apart from the patch I wore on my back...walked away from it all and now work as a Community Mental Health Worker, specifically dealing with 'troubled' youth and also working in Youth Drug and Alcohol rehab programmes...just trying to get my younger 'brothers' clean and hopefully show them there is another life there if they want it.


Peace,
ALIEN

Fear is not respect. Fear is not strength. Fear is fake.

True strength ain't about being hard...its about being strong enough in and of yourself to be soft. Its about offering a hand up, rather than a beat down.

I would like to applaud the above.

The strength of any Gang , Street, Organized or Political is Fear. Take away from them the fear and they have nothing left to trade in. I can understand that its a safe place to be.

You just have to decide if giving fear to others is worth you feeling safe ?