Originally posted by zorgon
Please be so kind as to name e some of these UFOlogist's you speak of, because all I have seen on ATS is how just about anyone who claims that
'title' is either a hoaxer, a charlatan, or in it for the money... so name me some .
No matter who it is, if there is a claim made, someone somewhere will call out hoax...that much I know...but someone simply saying they are lying is
different than someone whom has a long list of frauds proven...
People like Bill Marr...interesting chap. Some would say Bill Ryan from Project Alpha (formerly Camelot) is a truthseeker...if a bit gullible of
Stanton Friedman should be in the place where Greer currently sits as far as the face of serious research in my opinion. etc...people of science and
curiousity that try to unveil the truth behind the bunk...but will also slam things they find to be frauds.
-note, I put Bill Ryan in that list, even though I know he gives far too much airtime to nonsense and hoaxters...but I personally believe his
motivation is to seek truth verses a neat belief system. Kerry however I find to be a opinionated quack..just my opinion of course-
It also irks me that debunkers like Phil Plat from Bad Astronomy and Jim Oberg make MONEY selling books and doing tours to debunk what the believers
claim, yet no one takes them to task for 'profiteering' Care to explain that discrepancy?
Dont have to...just because the other side are being asshats doesn't mean you have to stoop down to their level...both sides have extremes and are
agenda driven to sell books and beliefs to their flock...and no doubt in time both sides of the coin will be made redundant...for now though, it is
more acceptable to say the ordinary than the extraordinary...and that makes sense overall..I am glad people of science are less held to the fire for
their words and actions than those claiming supernatural things...this is actually a change from the history of civilization when it was science that
was rejected in the public forum. You could write endless books about the pop religion in the area without harm or questioning, but write a science
book and you may end up dead...so, turn about is fair play.
If you don't have faith in your own work, then what is the point
Desire for truth. Faith is little more than a wish when the facts point elsewhere.
I have desire to focus my work so my skill will see it through...I don't go to a computer and use faith to fix it, I use knowledge...all things
should be approached like that. Problem solving and research trumps faith.
now, I do understand about connecting the dots, and it is great fun to speculate on where its all going...hell, that fuels desire to understand the
truth in the first place...but I find it more constructive to hard nose work to see if these things are even connected verses just default assume its
all connected. Is there a thread that binds all of this together? some company working in the background that is lobbying the UN, that is funding the
science firm that is discussing the planet, etc...that to me is progressing the talks...find the actual connections verses simply assume its there.
a good person to watch to train yourself would be rachael maddow (no matter what political persuasion). She demonstrates almost nightly how many
seemingly unrelated movements are actually being orchistrated by one or two firms and how it all connects that otherwise would be completely
overlooked. again, this is not a lets talk about maddow subject, but how to connect actual connectable dots...no speculation needed.
all about fact mining...and you may find that your initial assumptions were fully true and even more profound than you first knew.
perhaps the puppetmaster pulling the strings turns out to be lockheed martin, or some genetic research lab...imagine what could be the speculation
from that point.
ok, long story short...the elusive facts behind this may be alot more interesting than the fairly mundane "disclosure is nigh" topic...
I am ranting...moving the keyboard away now.