John Titor Archive: Interview with a time traveler (page 1 of 19), page 2
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reply posted on 26-6-2004 @ 01:02 PM by Shoktek

After the war, my father made a living selling oranges up and down the West coast of Florida.


My father made a living by putting together
12-volt electrical systems and sailing "commodities" up and down the coast
of Florida.


Now I suppose you will say that oranges were the "commodities" and he just left out the electrical systems earlier...but similar things, as with the tax system, just look as if he is making it up. He seems to leave details out one place, then make up new ones somewhere else.

Laser Picture was Faked

If you really read through what this guy says with an open mind, and not the mind of wanting to believe everything he says...you will see the inconsistencies in the way he describes his life in the future, and their society, monetary system, and different theories he uses to explain his time travelling...go ahead and believe it if you want, or just accept the fact that it was a very good hoax.

[edit on 26-6-2004 by Shoktek]


reply posted on 26-6-2004 @ 01:41 PM by onlyinmydreams
again, so far as the social contradictions go...

Do we live in a socialist or capitalist economy? Do we have a free market or a planned economy? Well, most of us would probably describe the US as being a capitalistic, de-centralized, free market land... however people might say that any one of us was making contradictions if we described the US in such a way and then went on to mention things like welfare, the Federal Reserve Board, the Social Security System and a myriad of other things.

The fact is that we live in a 'mixed' economy, and though we might have free market tendencies/ideology, we also incorporate a variety of socialist ideas into our system. In the same vein, JT's world might have a mixed system, only one that considers itself roughly libertarian.

The fact that his society has collectivization AND an emphasis on individuality might indicate that it's really just concerned with pragmatic solutions and is NOT interested in ideological clarity. Also... has anyone considered that JT might be inconsistent without even knowing it? His is depicted as a militarized, impoverished world... one where high education is almost nonexistant. It might be possible for him to have conflicting opinions because he lacks the rhetorical training to take note of that (or, like a modern day NKorean soldier, he just doesn't realize his own system's errors).

Again, I'm not saying that I believe JT, just that many of these debunkings based on 'inconsistencies' fail to take into account how someone with a limited education would describe a complex world in a few sentences or less. My bet is that any one of us, if they were answering questions for someone from 1970, would say 'inconsistent' things as well.


reply posted on 26-6-2004 @ 02:07 PM by onlyinmydreams
"As can be seen from this photo, the chrononaut calling himself Jonathon Titorton is a purveyor of fraud. He claims that this is a photo of a man floating about space in 1966, yet it is well known that any human in a weightless environment would find themselves vomiting their intestines out while their eyeballs shot from their sockets. Also, it's clearly impossible for so-called 'rockets' to operate in space, as they would have no medium to react against... the lunatic theories of Dr. Goddard aside:




-Above Secrecy Telegraph System, June 26, 1904"






My point... it's somewhat foolish to use our knowledge of science to debunk time machine stories... because our knowledge might be wrong. A century ago it was considered a FACT that rockets could not work in space and that weightlessness would result in a cruel death. A man showing oictures of Gemini astronauts spacewalking would be debunked for his lack of scientific accuracy.

In the same sense, we don't know if the instructor in the picture 'vectored' the gravity distortion a certain way, or if light has some sort of elasticity (yes, I know that's a fantastic stretch...).

In the end, we can only judge JT based on his predictions. When I look around, I see developing mad cow problems... a rapidly polarizing country...

I don't know...


reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 05:58 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Shoktek



In the first thread he states "there are no income taxes". In the second thread he states, "we pay taxes. It seems you don't like keeping track of personal income taxes."

This is not a contradiction. He does not state that they pay personal income taxes in the second thread. He first states that they pay taxes. He then states that he believes that the person he's responding to doesn't like to pay income taxes. This doesn't mean that they pay income taxes in the future, just that he can understand how people don't like to pay income taxes, but that they don't get out of paying any taxes at all in the future.

This is only a logical interpretation, IF he was not contradicting himself. It's not to say that he's not contradicting himself, only that there is an interpretation of these statements where it is not required that he is contradicitng himself.

Jaden
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