Britains, what is your take on the English Defense League?

reply to post by Wally Hope


It's called Social Democracy, which is the middle road between Capitalism and Socialism. Some people see it as reforming capitalism others see it as a stepping stone to Socialism.

And I never said Left-wing Nationalism had anything to do with Socialism, I was just saying I support the ideals of Left-wing nationalism alongside that of Social Democracy.

reply to post by pikestaff

Kriss donlaid,aged 15, tortured, blinded, castrated, burned alive by Muslim street Jihadists

I knew someone who was chained to the back of a car & dragged screaming up & down the road outside his parents house (I suspect this real event was the inspiration for a plot device in the tv series "Shameless"). He died. Apparently he was thought to be a grass.
I remember another tale about a grass also: some girl got doused in petrol, set alight & had her skin scrubbed off with a yard-brush. Eventually, she died too.
Someone I know got kidnapped in Ghana. They cut off her eyelids & left her tied up in the sun b/c she wouldn't tell them who to contact for a ransom. She's blind.
Someone I met had been shot through the wrists & ankles & had his feet burned on an electric fire to force him to hand over a lot of T&C forbidden unmentionables.
I have been beaten almost to death (it cost grands to fly me to a hospital that thankfully saved my kidneys) whilst being robbed.
My point? Some people are proper arseholes. In fact, the bulk of humanity (including you & I) are some type of arsehole, even if we're sweet as the day is long to others faces. We all find some justification for it & if it wasn't 1 thing, then it'd be another.
So dont be trying to tar all Muslims with the same brush just b/c some of them are as bad as the worst of any other group of people. That, mate, is whats called "xenophobia" @best & may be based on racism @worst.

I agree with everything the OP says in the thread Im linking www.abovetopsecret.com...

Whether you like them or not the EDL are against the islamification of Britain, its the politically correct morons who caused this mess in the first place, with mass immagration and putting an extra burden on hospitals, schools, jobs and housing what did they think would happen?.

Our government is supposed to look after its citizens first and not the rest of the worlds problems. I dont have a problem with foreigners, I like to visit new places. But my problem begins when people come into the host country and start telling them this is how they should live, or they should change this and that laws to suit the immigrants, rather then themselves actually making an effort to integrate into society.

Why is every muslim country a #hole? is there any that you would actually want to live in? for me definately not. So why they want to change Britain into the same #hole they came from is beyond me.

Fact is we are being out bred and maybe it does not affect you now, but with that kind of statistic further on down the line, the future of the country will change dramatically.

Originally posted by Death_Kron
I'm not allowed to fly a Union Jack flag outside my flat when England are playing in the world cup for fear it may upset ethnic minorities.

To be honest, I'd be a bit offended if you were flying the British flag when England were playing...

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes

Originally posted by Death_Kron
I'm not allowed to fly a Union Jack flag outside my flat when England are playing in the world cup for fear it may upset ethnic minorities.

To be honest, I'd be a bit offended if you were flying the British flag when England were playing...

Oh no!

Not this argument again, some posters on another forum I visit often have this debate

Personaly all is see is one grouping (like the UAF) creating an equal and opposite reaction..

As for flags, I can fly any flag I choose without an issue but like most around here, my choice would be the skull and crossbones

reply to post by Misoir


I posted these videos on a thread detailing how the Tea Party is looking to link up with the EDL. The Guardian is a respected UK newspaper and their investigation might give you a good insight into who and what the EDL is.

i think it's important to realize this corporate tactic is being employed world over.
i fear now the plan is to continue to the privatization of prisons and prison labor contracts.
and we will all be some sort of domestic terrorist or be branded an anti-social element and
off to camp we'll go at the end of a bayonet. you'll live in a gated community alright..
but as for the EDL- these guys are already tagged by the media. being infiltrated .
bio metrically scanned. thing is these guys are so pissed they dont care..they are squaring off.
in costa rica the "nicas" are the "problem" and they square off with machetes.
now i'm in arizona and its mexicans and we go with small arms.
So the global nazi corporations have the whole planet of the apes amped up
and are spraying corexit all over us. while the G20 traveling psy-ops riot show
makes sure we all get a taste of the baton and fall in line..
EDL - freedom fighters or terrorists? the new crusaders driving the islamic hordes
into the sea ?..so either prison or the military looks like the career choice..
and in prison you can assemble military gear .. or got to solitary.
"many with grow to hate the new world order and will die fighting it" HG Wells 1940.

reply to post by p51mustang


It appears to me that we are no longer allowed to defend our culture or our nation. They label Nationalists and other Patriots who simply want to protect and preserve their customs as radicals and the people have fallen for it. It has been the same since the Communists, they just want to destroy culture, destroy borders and destroy identity and they cover it up using politically correct.

It's all through the use of a Globalist Neoliberal economic policy of exploitation, outsourcing and dependency combined with Social liberalism to force politically correct and multicultural society on us all. Maybe we don't want that, maybe we want freedom of speech and we want to keep our culture.

Radicals or not I am beginning to warm up to the message of the EDL. We must retake our countries.

i think britain needs to sort itself out before it goes round with its master america bullying other countries. the EDL reminds me of the mindless loyalist bigots here in northern ireland.

Firstly, why ask the British? Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all have nationlist political parties. Are you going to ask them what they think about nationalist parties.

I am very happy that there is a political organisation that is focused on the English, and defending our way of life.

Originally posted by Freedom ERP
Firstly, why ask the British? Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all have nationlist political parties. Are you going to ask them what they think about nationalist parties.

I am very happy that there is a political organisation that is focused on the English, and defending our way of life.

Scotland, Wales and N.I. are British.

They are not defending your way of life, unless your way of life is intolerance and ignorance.

reply to post by Wally Hope

tolerance and knowledge- so the social experiment is to see
how far it can be stretched until things snap?
like regular life wasnt challenging enough , lets throw in a bucket load
of customs and language to contend with ..
then clampdown on the mess with police.

reply to post by p51mustang


Hmmm the problem is, as I see it, the EDL, and other groups like them, target the immigrants when it isn't the immigrants causing the problems.

The root of the problem is why these people feel the need to move to another country in the first place. These groups just target the result not the problem.

Yes it's frustrating having to deal with new cultures and languages, pain the ass when you can't understand the guy at the store, but getting angry at the immigrant is useless. The more the immigrant feels alienated by the country they are in the more they will digress into themselves and their own culture. If you want them to assimilate you need to change YOUR attitudes.

Well, I've asked this many times before & never had an answer that a young teen couldn't instantly shoot down in flames, but, for the sake of debate, here goes again:
You nationalists, just what is it about your culture that you feel needs defending?

reply to post by Wally Hope


You seem to have missed my point. The OP was asking Britains and the EDL is an English focused political organisation, so why ask the British? Better the OP's question is focussed on the English. What do they think about the EDL.

Or is the OP thinking that Britains are the same as English.

Originally posted by Freedom ERP
reply to post by Wally Hope

 

You seem to have missed my point. The OP was asking Britains and the EDL is an English focused political organisation, so why ask the British? Better the OP's question is focussed on the English. What do they think about the EDL.

Or is the OP thinking that Britains are the same as English.

don't even bother replying to his comment. he thinks he is lord and master of england.

u'll not get anywhere with this one

reply to post by satanUK


I am delighed that you have brought into the whole concept of ATS and welcome serious discussion and debate.

And I am proud to be English. Not British.

The comments I made in my last post, still stand. Why ask the British what they think about the EDL. Does the OP think that British and English are interchangeable. Just ask a loyalist in Northern Ireland if they are Irish or Northern Irish?

ATS is about serious debate in a civil and considered environment and listening to other viewpoints, if if they are opposite to your view. One of the points raised in threads on ATS is about the use of labels and what they mean, and I learnt to change how I describe people and cultures, and for me, you can not interchange British and English.

It is a shame there are never any cameras around when the Muslim thugs have a go, having read 'Muslim street jihad'
as reported in trencherbone, dated January the 23rd 2010, some horrific stories in that online edition, perhaps the EDL has to resort to violence, history is full of violent changes, for good or bad.
Back to the Islamic faith, right, lots of Islam people are moderate, why is it they do not condemn the jihadists? why do they not condemn the Imam child molesters in Mosques? ( see atlas shrugs, to-days offering)
Rantburg have some choice items on Jihadists from time to time.
there are three sites I visit every day, ATS.com rantburg atlas shrugs, all for news not on the MSN, or a week late and a dollar short.