UN Fact-Finding Mission Says Israelis "Executed" US Citizen Furkan Dogan

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www.washingtonpost.com...
Main stream enough?

Anyway, I see this is basically a 'double post' thread-
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Alot of great posts concerning the subject there....

And, yes Eliad, it would be nice to have more information from that day, except, according to the UN report ....

In light of seizure of cameras, CCTV footage and digital media storage devices and of the suppression of that material with the disclosure only of a selected and minute quantity of it, the Mission was obliged to treat with extreme caution the versions released by the Israeli authorities where those versions did not coincide with the evidence of eyewitnesses who appeared before us.

www2.ohchr.org...

Too bad the Israeli Govt. will not release the footage in their possession, as it surely exonerates them of these baseless charges.

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"U.N. council endorses report accusing Israel of executions aboard aid flotilla"

It's not confirming that the autopsy is true, it's not even confirming the report, it's merely reporting on the fact that the UN has accused Israel of executions!

Real proof, real evidence, real mainstream media.

Regardless of the footage from the boat, which I agree, should be released, and believe me it raises my suspicions as well, there should be a genuine autopsy report, there should be some kind of proof, and it should be reported somewhere!

So again, how can I believe these fake autopsy reports? There should be some proof, I mean if it's true then it shouldn't be that hard to find it...


P.S
It's triple posted actually... It seems you're all reading the same blogs, and being fed the same lies..

From The Guardian 4 June 2010

The autopsy results released today by the Turkish authorities after the Israeli attack on the Gaza flotilla reveal in chilling detail the intensity of the military force unleashed on the multinational convoy.

Each of the nine victims on the Mavi Marmara in international waters off the coast of Israel in the early hours of Monday morning was shot at least once and some five or six times with 9mm rounds.

The results also reveal how close the fighting was. Dr Haluk Ince, chair of Turkey's council of forensic medicine (ATK), said: "Approximately 20cm away was the closest. In only one case was there only one entrance wound. The other eight have multiple entrance wounds. [The man killed by a single shot] was shot just in the middle of the forehead with a distant shot."

The details emerged as Turkey warned that it may reconsider its diplomatic ties with Israel unless it receives an apology.

The deputy prime minister, Bulent Arinc, warned: "We may plan to reduce our relations with Israel to a minimum."

Namid Tan, the ambassador to Washington, warned that Israel was "about to lose [a] friend". He repeated calls for an independent investigation of the raid and end its blockade against Gaza.

Asked if Turkey might break off relations, he said: "We don't want this to go to that point." But he added: "The government might be forced to take such an action."

Speaking at the funeral of the youngest activist, prime minister Tayyip Erdogan accused Israel of betraying its religion. "You killed 19-year-old Furkan Dogan brutally. Which faith, which holy book can be an excuse for killing him?" he asked.

According to the scientists at the ATK, Dogan, who held US and Turkish citizenship was shot five times – from close range in the right side of his nose, in the back of the head, in the back and twice in the left leg.

The oldest victim was 60-year-old Ibrahim Bilgen, a Turkish politician, engineer and activist who was married with six children. He had been shot once in the right temple, once in the right side of his chest, once in the back and once in the hip.

Cetin Topcuotlu, a 54-year old former Taekwondo champion who worked as a coach for the Turkish national team, was shot three times – once in the back of his head, once in his hip and once in his belly. His wife, Cigden, who was with him on the Mavi Marmara said at his funeral on Thursday she would take part in further flotillas to Gaza with her son.

The detail of the wounds came as yet more survivors returned to the UK and gave their account of the attacks.

In a hastily arranged press conference in central Londonshortly after his Turkish airlines plane touched down at Heathrow, Ismail Patel, the 47-year-old chairman of the Friends of al-Aqsa, condemned what he called "the cold-blooded murder and killing of our colleagues". He said: "These deaths were avoidable and I lay the blame squarely with the Israelis."

Israel has previously said its troops had been left with no choice after they came under attack from activists armed with knives and iron bars when they were dropped by helicopter on to the ship.

Patel claimed that as soon as the Israeli Defence Force helicopter appeared above the Mavi Marmara, "it started using immediately live ammunition" without any warning being issued.

After the first victim fell the white flag was raised, he said, but Israeli forces continued firing. "I think the Israeli soldiers were shooting to kill because most of the people who died were shot in the top part of their bodies," he said. He believed that later victims were injured in their legs after a "tactical move" by the commandos to wound rather then kill.

Alex Harrison, a Free Gaza activist who was on the smaller Challenger yacht, which was crewed mainly by women, said the Israelis used rubber bullets, sound bombs and tasers against them.

"Two women were hooded, they had their eyes taped," she said, describing how the yacht was quickly overwhelmed. "We stood and tried to obstruct the armed, masked men and maintained no other defence and still they used violence."

Harrison, 32, from Islington, north London, also witnessed the Mavi Marmara being stormed from above by helicopter and said the Israelis started firing before their troops touched down on the boat.

"I have seen some selective footage that the Israelis have chosen to put out suggesting that we responded with violence," she said. "You must remember that these are unarmed civilians on their own boat in the middle of the Mediterranean. People picked up what they could to defend themselves against armed, masked commandos who were shooting."

The violence was "initiated by the Israelis on a massive scale," she said, adding she was pleased her colleagues on the Rachel Corrie, an Irish vessel, were continuing to Gaza this weekend.

"I am thrilled they are going," she said. "They know exactly what risks they face. They are doing what our government's haven't and I thank them."

Both Harrison and Patel criticised the British authorities for failing to provide sufficient consular assistance while the activists were detained in an Israeli prison in Beersheva.

Patel said he was not visited by anyone from the British mission and Harrison said the consul told her that Israeli officials had prevented him visiting captured Britons.

"I did see the British consul," Harrison said. "He told me that he had sitting outside the prison all day ... asking for access and not been given it. I see that as an insult from Israel to the British, that they were denying the British consul the right that citizens have. I also see it as a sign that the British don't have the strength to stand up to Israel."

Foreign Secretary William Hague confirmed that a total of 34 of the activists on the aid flotilla were British, with all but two of them having been sent to Turkey by the Israeli authorities.

In Gaza City, the de facto Hamas prime minister, Ismail Haniyeh, told crowds of worshippers at Friday prayers that Israel's blockade was in its final stages.

"Now not only Gazans speak of the blockade, but also the [UN] security council and the international community. Everyone is demanding the siege be lifted."

The nine victims

Cengiz Alquyz, 42

Four gunshot wounds: back of head, right side of face, back, left leg

Ibrahim Bilgen, 60

Four gunshot wounds: right chest, back, right hip, right temple

Cegdet Kiliclar, 38

One gunshot wound: middle of forehead

Furkan Dogan, 19

Five gunshot wounds: nose, back, back of head, left leg, left ankle

Sahri Yaldiz

Four gunshot wounds: left chest, left leg, right leg twice

Aliheyder Bengi, 39

Six gunshot wounds: left chest, belly, right arm, right leg, left hand twice

Cetin Topcuoglu, 54

Three gunshot wounds: back of head, left side, right belly

Cengiz Songur, 47

One gunshot wound: front of neck

Necdet Yildirim, 32

Two gunshot wounds: right shoulder, left back

Autopsies were performed.
Just because you demand you want "proof" doesnt mean the autopsy report is wrong.

You can cry all you want, as the previous post also mentioned, murder is murder, and this is what will be remembered.

You should be ashamed of your attempt to defend these terrible crimes.

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These threads that show Israel up are being tracked by Megaphone, and people are being summoned to defend Israel's reputation.
It's quite possible the Megaphonies regard the killings as achievements, not murders.
Don't forget, the Talmud explains that non-Jews are just animals, and their deaths are of no concern.

1- The human rights council opened its investigation by declaring : “ to investigate the criminal acts of Israel” . If you conduct an investigation and before it starts one declares who is to blame, than this a field trial. No truth here. No honest unbiased investigation took place here.

2- that 19 years old guy was shot by a 9mm handgun. The commandos didn't carry rifles (only paint balls) . The council acknowledge this.

3- from the video clip, no one can tell who was or wasn't on that part of the ship, or weather he was carrying a camera or a machete.

4- none of you had seen the autopsy report, only reporting of the report. We don't know who carried out the autopsy, and whether he is qualified to take such operation.

5- The autopsy was done by Turkey, who is heavily involved in this incident. Therefor, it is safe to say we can not say without a shadow of a doubt this report is legit.

6- any military or secret service man will tell you: when under threat, you do not fire one shot but a burst, until the threat is neutralized. If two or more will identify the same threat, they will open fire, hence the number of shots the guy took, has no real significance.

Originally posted by gravitational
1- The human rights council opened its investigation by declaring : “ to investigate the criminal acts of Israel” . If you conduct an investigation and before it starts one declares who is to blame, than this a field trial. No truth here. No honest unbiased investigation took place here.

If not the UN, what organization do you think is legitimate enough to do an investigation?

2- that 19 years old guy was shot by a 9mm handgun. The commandos didn't carry rifles (only paint balls) . The council acknowledge this.

If not the Israeli commandos, just who are you saying shot Furkan Dogan?

3- from the video clip, no one can tell who was or wasn't on that part of the ship, or weather he was carrying a camera or a machete.

If Israel would release the video confiscated, we might get a better story. It is no surprise that the selected clip released by Israel does not implicate israel.

4- none of you had seen the autopsy report, only reporting of the report. We don't know who carried out the autopsy, and whether he is qualified to take such operation.

Just who do you expect to carry out autopsy's on turkish citizens? Your questioning of the autopsy's doesn't make these people any less dead....

5- The autopsy was done by Turkey, who is heavily involved in this incident. Therefor, it is safe to say we can not say without a shadow of a doubt this report is legit.

Your opinion. But, all autopsy's contain photos, which the investigation team were surely privy to.

6- any military or secret service man will tell you: when under threat, you do not fire one shot but a burst, until the threat is neutralized. If two or more will identify the same threat, they will open fire, hence the number of shots the guy took, has no real significance.

Since when is it legal to board a vessel in International waters..You can try to legitimize murder all you want. But it is still murder. Please advise of me of any gunshot wounds sustained by the Israel military.