Fear, fear, more fear and some more of...guess what? FEAR

As I start this thread, let me list the things that the other threads in US Political Madness are telling you to fear:

Democratic racists
Christine O'Donnell
Barack Obama
Obama again
The Federal Reserve
Democratic Corruption
Power Structure of America
Obama once more
Obama yet another time
Gun Laws
Liberals
The Powers That Be
2012
Healthcare reform
Government
China
The NSA
The Left
The Right
Fox News

I'm not really going to continue, because the point is that this is pointless.

There's only one thing we have to fear:

Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself

FDR was right about this. Fear has clouded the political discourse. We've stopped being reasonable and started being reactionary. Instead of reasoning out the best course for our country, we're just reacting to perceived fears.

This needs to stop

quoting the master of fear meh i dont fear nothing i fight to get government the hell out of my life

and right as of this moment the party of big government is obama and the left

they will never retreat
they will never yield
they will never surrender

i will fight with my words for that is the only weapon i choose to carry

i will not retreat
i will not yeild
i will not surrender

if they win it will be a life of pure enslavement
if they win it will be a life of pure desparity
if they win it will be a life of death

a death of what real freedom is
a death of what real liberty is
a death of what real self responsbilty is to be
a death of what real self reliance is to be

and that is a death that i will not tolerate ever
and that is a death that i will not stand for

i am an american give me liberty and leave me the hell alone

It has strangled an entire nations intelligence.
It has bred paranoia at every new or different looking person.
It has taken control of problem solving by simply applying more shackles to the free.
It is served up as a daily dose by the government, by the media, and has sickened us.
It is empowering a political machine to eventually replace individual autonomy.
It is being digested and assumed at greater ratios with each coming generation.
It has replaced common sense.
It has silenced the truth, the honest, and the forward thinking.
And all because it has been readily and blindly believed.

reply to post by neo96


You don't fear anything and yet you post on here spreading fear of the left?
Honestly, it's that sort of idiotic rambling that's gotten us off the rails!

How about instead of reacting to 'Obama and big government' why don't you look at the fact that the last 10 years have seen an increase in the size of government, with 6 of those 10 years having the GOP control both houses of Congress, the Judiciary, and the Executive...

It's not about parties, it's about getting reason back into politics.

Demonstrate your thesis using reason, not stupid songs.

let me list the things that the other threads in US Political Madness are telling you to fear:

Don't mistake concern for fear. If open political discourse scares you, don't participate.

What would you propose to get people to stop commenting on the state of the world? Censorship?

Just relax and acknowledge others right to believe, and obey their own conscience. You aren't going to agree with everything everybody has to say. Get over it.

reply to post by madnessinmysoul


factually incorrect sir the last 4 years the democrats have controlled both houses and has increased the size of government more that bush did.

who are you to tell me what to do you sound like the left telling me what i should be saying and what i should be thinking.

getting the reasoning back into politics hmm where is your respect for national history "stupid song"

you dont like what i say noone makes you read it put me on ignore.



spreading fear maybe your just afraid of what i said is accurate

What I fear are the morons who don't have half a brain, those who vote these losers in time after time. Those who can't show you where Iraq is on a world map, those who don't know what the electoral collage is, those who can't tell you why they voted for Obama other then he is black, those who bought into the "CHANGE" hype and sucked the rest of us down the drain with them.
That's what I FEAR.

I would like to offer the idea of Unity of Individuality.
Where the responsibility to self and family and society is a respected trait shared by an intelligent nation.
Where common sense coupled with knowledge yields personal involvement in self governance.
Where shared collective goals do not blur or remove the importance simple honesty to self and others.
Where success is not for the few but for the many and where once again the methods of success are earned and honorable.
This did not happen over night, it had participation, our participation.
The fear that is served has become a sought addiction by many.
The listings of fear are in every category now.
My gawd even the weather channel has been riding the fear train.
The fear has to have a way in.
It's your eyes and ears and the screen of dreams and nightmares that has numbed and neutered us.
There is no need to drop a tangible bomb anymore, just drop a verbal and virtual one on any news channel or insert it in any new movie, and do it over and over and over until the desired effect is reached.
I can only imagine the relief that would be felt globally, should all of the televised, contrived, created keep the fear alive, propoganda/entertainment cease.
One can only hope for the electric to go off, for a very long time.

I fear God....

It's Good....

Perhaps the greatest motivator of all time, and also the greatest purveyor of ignorance, paranoia and hysteria.

Fear is a beautiful thing, without it the human world would advance too rapidly, peace would bring ruin to major government and military powers.

Tune into the MSM immediately for your next dose of fear, and forget you read this post.

reply to post by METACOMET


I dont think it's discourse that's wanting to be avoided.
The amount of fear based living cannot be ignored or denied.
It's not a right or left or imaginary political party that's governing.
I think this is a real and valid issue.
Fear is being used on every level in every part of society, and being used to the point of saturation.

Originally posted by freetree64
I fear God....

It's Good....

Why does God want all living creatures in creation to fear God?

Everything that fears me usually runs away or wants to fight me to relieve itself of it's percieved fear.

fearing God is ignorant, and either way equates to leaving God alone. Why does God want to be alone?

"look i fear" =
"luc i fer"

because "u" makes the same sound as "oo" and "c" makes the same sound as "k", and there is no "a" sound in "fear"

LOSE =

Definition of LOSE
transitive verb
1a : to bring to destruction —used chiefly in passive construction
b : damn
Merriam-Webster's definition of LOSE, more...

CIPHER
Definition of CIPHER
1a : zero
b : one that has no weight, worth, or influence : nonentity
2a : a method of transforming a text in order to conceal its meaning — compare code
3b b : a message in code
Merriam-Webster's definition of CIPHER, more...

LOSE CIPHER

Lose Cipher = Look I Fear = Lucifer



People who are subservient to fear, worship Lucifer with their actions and their behaviors, and their intentions, and their priorities, and especially their FEARS.

of course, this may only be my interpretation, and people are free to expouse their will and determine their own interpretation of what fear is to them

-ET

reply to post by METACOMET

Originally posted by METACOMET
Don't mistake concern for fear. If open political discourse scares you, don't participate.

I'm not concerned with open political discourse, I'm just concerned with the number of threads saying things like "The liberals want to take away your guns!" or "The conservatives want to enslave the working class!" or "Obama wants to spy on your every move!"

That's not open discourse, that's flailing about.
A more appropriate thread would be something like...

"I have a concern with the gun control policies of liberals, and here are the bills that they support which I object to"
or
"The conservative movement doesn't seem to have enough concern for the working class due to the following policies which they openly support"
or
"I don't like how the government is treating privacy, this bill that's being proposed should be voted down and here is why. PS Contact your representative and senator."

What would you propose to get people to stop commenting on the state of the world? Censorship?

Wow, that's an insane demonization of someone. But it does speak to my point, you're being a reactionary. Instead of being reasonable in response to my thread you're proclaiming that I want to censor people.

People have every right to voice these opinions, but that doesn't mean they have to do so in an angry and irrational manner.

Just relax and acknowledge others right to believe, and obey their own conscience. You aren't going to agree with everything everybody has to say. Get over it.

Again, a misinterpretation. I have no problem with disagreeing with people if we're all being reasonable. All of this nonsense isn't being reasonable or rational, it's jumping up and running around like a decapitated chicken whenever something you disagree with could happen and then finding the first place to target that anger.

Change isn't going to come about through blind firing.

reply to post by neo96

Originally posted by neo96
factually incorrect sir the last 4 years the democrats have controlled both houses and has increased the size of government more that bush did.

I said that out of the last 10 years Republicans controlled the Congress for 6 years...either you're not very good at math or just like to call people wrong.

And 2 of those 4 years were under President Bush, who didn't seem to have any problem proposing massive budgets for the Congress to approve...or to start two foreign wars or to add Medicare-D etc etc.

The simple fact of the matter was that Clinton was actually reducing the deficit and then Bush threw away a surplus and never looked back.

I'm not defending Obama's spending practices, but you can't attack his without attacking those of the supposed 'fiscal conservatives'.

who are you to tell me what to do you sound like the left telling me what i should be saying and what i should be thinking.

I'm not telling you what to think, I'm just asking you to be reasonable and rational, as it might actually get things done. Fearmongering and anger haven't achieved anything. We had 8 years of the Democrats whipping up fear over Bush and Bush whipping up fear over terror and gays and whatnot. Now we've had nearly 2 more years of people whipping up fear over "big government" and "secret Muslim President" and "Ground Zero Mosque" and all this other trivial stuff.

Maybe we'd have a stable economy if we weren't just throwing our fecal matter at the problem like a bunch of frightened primates and just stood back, took a breather for 5 minutes and addressed the issue in a rational and non-partisan manner.

And you've provided further evidence of fear-mongering. Accusing the entirety of people who happen to fall on an entire half of the political spectrum of telling you what to do and think. You're not providing and evidence to support that claim, nor will you really be able to.

I'm not telling you what to think, I'm suggesting to you that you present your ideas rationally.

getting the reasoning back into politics hmm where is your respect for national history "stupid song"

I have a respect for history.
Still a stupid song, especially in this context. Randomly singing in the middle of a discourse on irrationality in politics is...well, irrational, is it not?

you dont like what i say noone makes you read it put me on ignore.

Unfortunately, everyone gets a vote. Well, everyone except for felons and the underaged and apathetic. You're a part of the discourse that I can't ignore.

spreading fear maybe your just afraid of what i said is accurate

Not afraid of what you said because it isn't. If you could provide supporting evidence I might consider it.

reply to post by GammaRayBurst

Originally posted by GammaRayBurst
What I fear are the morons who don't have half a brain, those who vote these losers in time after time.

Again, another piece of evidence of the lack of rational thought in political discourse. Instead of labeling an entire group as 'morons' you might want to think of their motivations in a rational matter.

Those who can't show you where Iraq is on a world map,

The majority of the American population?

those who don't know what the electoral collage is,

Mildly ironic that you made a spelling error.

those who can't tell you why they voted for Obama other then he is black,

I've heard this claim over, and over, and over again without ever seeing a single shred of evidence to support that a plurality of people voted for Obama because of his racial heritage.

Another example of irrationality.

those who bought into the "CHANGE" hype and sucked the rest of us down the drain with them.

Except that, speaking from an unbiased point of view, America is better off now than it was when Obama took office. He was handed a country which I cannot adequately describe the situation of without violating the T&C with regard to language, he tried to be open with legislation, he tried to be bipartisan, and he was shot down on every front.

Has he done the best possible job? Hell no. Has he done the worst possible job? A far more resounding hell no. He's done a quite competent job and he's actually kept 122 of his campaign promises, broken only 22, compromised on 39, has stalled on 82, and is in the works on 238 different promises. Source: The Obamameter from PolitiFact

Now, you may not agree with the promises he's kept, but at least he's being relatively honest for a politician and he hasn't dragged us into another war. He's trying to get us out of Iraq, not well, but he's trying.

That's what I FEAR.

I do not share your fear, because I'd prefer to partake in reason.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by METACOMET

 

Originally posted by METACOMET
Don't mistake concern for fear. If open political discourse scares you, don't participate.

I'm not concerned with open political discourse, I'm just concerned with the number of threads saying things like "The liberals want to take away your guns!" or "The conservatives want to enslave the working class!" or "Obama wants to spy on your every move!"

What about threads entitled Fear, fear, more fear and some more of...guess what? FEAR

Originally posted by METACOMET
What would you propose to get people to stop commenting on the state of the world? Censorship?

Wow, that's an insane demonization of someone. But it does speak to my point, you're being a reactionary. Instead of being reasonable in response to my thread you're proclaiming that I want to censor people.

Please excuse me. Let me rephrase that. How will you force people to accept your personal whims? Or is this just a whining thread? The exact kind of thread you demonize in your op.


Please everybody, be less emotional in your threads. The authoritarians take it personally.

Originally posted by METACOMET
What about threads entitled Fear, fear, more fear and some more of...guess what? FEAR

It's a title to highlight the amount of fearmongering on ATS. I'm not concerned with spreading the fear of fear, I'm trying to promote reason.

Please excuse me. Let me rephrase that. How will you force people to accept your personal whims? Or is this just a whining thread? The exact kind of thread you demonize in your op.

Nice straw man that you've built of me, but I'm not trying to force people to accept anything nor am I 'whining' nor do I have to choose between forcing people to accept my view and 'whining' about it (which is a false dillema)

I'm simply stating that I am reasonably concerned that fear, anger, hate, and a general lack of rational thought and reason are clouding political discourse and preventing us from getting things done. I just hope everyone can try to be more reasonable and rational from now on.

Please everybody, be less emotional in your threads. The authoritarians take it personally.

How the hell am I an authoritarian? Wow, that's a salacious accusation. Name calling at its worse. When did I ever demonstrate that I'm an authoritarian? Oh, I'm sorry, promoting rational thought makes me an authoritarian, I see that now.

Reason now equal authoritarianism... if that isn't fearmongering I don't know what is

reply to post by METACOMET


It's the government which is the main source of fear-mongering, and it's a deliberate strategy.
I agree that there are a lot of threads which point out things which are happening which are very wrong, but I see that as a desperate cry to get more people to wake up to the truth of the situation we are all in.

I mean, people should be worried, very worried about what is happening.

Apologies - I meant to reply to the OP not to Metacomet!

Fear does the job,
it does the job quickly and well, and it has a muliplier effect,
people pay attention to fear way more than caring or compassion,
the flight or fight is engaging its immediate, and addictive.
there's an entire industry based around fear, and has been for thousands of years.
Conquering it, is each individuals own goal.



corralling
present participle of cor·ral
(Verb)
1. Put or keep (livestock) in a corral.
2. Gather (a group of people or things) together

FDR was a fascist Nazi who imprisoned Japanese-Americans for no reason, ordered the US military to kill more civilians than any other president in the history of the world, and totally destroyed any remaining shreds of freedom while prolonging the great depression by a decade due to his insane economic policies.

reply to post by mnemeth1

FDR did as he was told, didnt he?
Some claim him to be a national treasure but I dont see that shine once you start looking below the surface.
The only thing we have to fear is, that common sense kicks in and the people see their lining up and walking to their own demise, would have been a better alternative line inserted into that very famous speech.
We've embraced and adapted to more national socialist ideas post ww2 than prior.
But it's all been for "the homeland', 'equality', 'safety', security", whatever the excuse, and it's all been done so so subtle.
Fear?
My gawd I'm surprised more people arent convinced theyre terrorists themselves and they turn themselves in as sleeper cells.
I dont see it getting any better, the intelligence just isnt there.
Shame

reply to post by madnessinmysoul


I apologize. I'm just very weary these days of "well meaning people" trying to enforce their pet formula of improvement while ignoring the principle of individual freedom. I was pretty sure that's what you were doing but I can see now that I was wrong about that. But I do have one question before I let it go.

This needs to stop

How would you propose to stop this without coercion or force or censorship? That's what I don't get.