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US State Dept Confirms: Obama “NOT” a US Citizen Prior to & in 1968; UPDATE: Important historica

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posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 08:06 AM
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Whilst its always interestingto hear new evidence, i don't really think it makes a difference.

Bush was a US citizen.


CX.




posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican


Umm, the document kind of speaks for itself, doesn't it? And the pertinent, unanswered questions I reiterated above in bold seal the deal.



Why not demand the same scrutiny of this document you all are so eager to pretend to give to his birth certificate? Here you have a piece of paper that says some stuff and it is holy gospel? Too bad it looks like you did not understand what it really meant but seriously, folks.

The same people that refuse to accept his birth certificate will use the excuse "the document speaks for itself?"

I am curious how that works.



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
His father writing "Indonesia" on a form does not prove his citizenship!


Uh huh...no more than getting wet, outside, under dark clouds and thunder proves it is raining.

NOTE: The balance of this post does not specifically respond or relate to BH.

And on the topic of "does it matter if Obama is a legal US citizen"...YES it matters. Sure, it may matter to "rednecks" (as some people call them), it may matter to "the stupid" (as some here will say)...but it obviously matters to some, legal US citizens. Sure, they likely didn't vote for Obama...but so what? The premise of allowing the government to lie, or a government figure to lie to the American citizens without repercussion is insane. I've seen comments on ATS on the lines of "who cares if he is a legal citizen". Our laws care, as do many of us.

I didn't vote for Obama and personally...I don't like his manner or view of the "changes" we need. But it is our right to question our leaders, to complain about our leaders, etc. ANYONE suggesting we shouldn't do so is setting themselves, and the entire country up for a dictatorship at some point down the line...or worse. Everything matters with the people we hire to represent and govern us. And in my opinion...any challenge should be heard and respected.

Obama could be anything from a legal US citizen that has won the Presidency...to a long-term Muslim plan to infiltrate the US government and destroy the economy, and our nation as a whole, from inside. I'm not suggesting that either of those is true...just that there are questions, and so long as they come from US citizens, they deserve respect and an open mind to hear them out.

During the 9/11 attacks, if one individual had information and ran into an airport yelling "we are being attacked by radical Muslims"...they would have been carted off in cuffs. Only after the planes were used as weapons would he have been vindicated. AFTER! I for one will at least listen, with an open mind to anyone's claims. I'll then make my own judgments...but after that, when someone else is listening, I WILL NOT try to stop them from listening. They may hear or discover something I didn't. And...isn't that the heart of ATS itself?

So what am I suggesting? Something on the lines of "I disagree with your position and opinion, however, maybe someone else here can find some truth, or interest in them. I will not try to simply trash you and your opinion simply because they differ from mine.". That would be sooo much better than "redneck", "crack-pot" and "why are you people listening to this idiot". Unless, of course, YOU are one of those trying to hide or suppress something? After all...isn't the first line of the war to suppress name calling and character bashing?



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 08:48 AM
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Hello everyone, I am I guess what you would call a "Certificate of Live Birth" skeptic, but as for him being born in Kenya or Indonesia, I'm still up in the air about that. With that said, I have to side with Benevolent Heretic on this one. The document states that you have to sign declaring you have never taken up a foreign citizenship, and since this is a US document, and BO's mother signed it, it would suggest that she is signing this indicating that she has never taken a foreign citizenship. So this would seem to indicate that BO's US citizenship has not been violated. However, it does also prove that Stanley Ann moved to Indonesia indefinitely, so I'm not sure how this plays into it. I don't like to strike down evidence as being hoaxes, so I'll let the more hardcore debunkers do that, however I am a little unconvinced that this is a smoking gun evidence. As I mentioned, I'm a borderline birther, so if there is evidence I want to know it, but I'm still skeptical of this document. Maybe I'm reading it wrong...



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
All indications are he was an Indonesian citizen:



By that logic, all indications are that he is a natural born US citizen and eligible for the presidency:



If you're going to say that a hand-written word (by someone else) indicates his citizenship, I can show you TONS of pictures and forms that indicate his natural born citizenship.
As I said in my last post, show me the citizenship papers and I'll agree.



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by Curiousisall
The same people that refuse to accept his birth certificate will use the excuse "the document speaks for itself?"

I am curious how that works.


That's called gross bias and hypocrisy.



Originally posted by WeAreAWAKE

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
His father writing "Indonesia" on a form does not prove his citizenship!


Uh huh...no more than getting wet, outside, under dark clouds and thunder proves it is raining.


Well, then the fact that he's president proves he's a natural-born US citizen.
You can't have it both ways. Don't you guys get this?



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Originally posted by xiphias
Did the US State Dept. confirm this, or did an independent researcher find evidence and confirm this?


Umm, the document kind of speaks for itself, doesn't it? And the pertinent, unanswered questions I reiterated above in bold seal the deal.

We know he's covered up so many other records, but here is a loose cannon that made it through the mess. He's busted.


Sorry, but I'm gonna have to see the original, with stamps, endorsements and signatures. Also need details on who received the original.

Hey, just holding you guys to the same standard that to which you hold Obama.



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 09:18 AM
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I'm not listening to any of this. It's ridiculous, but they just won't let it go. I am not a big fan of the Dems, but people like these just make me want to vote against the Republicans all the more. Everything they say alienates me and many others.



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 


BH, are you questioning the authenticity of this document? Because so far, you have done nothing to prove that this document is a fake. Not a single thing. NADA.

Now the conclusions reached as a result of presenting this document, are opinion. You have yours, and I have mine. So stop claiming this is a hoax, because you have said nothing, or shown nothing that determines the document to be a fake.


And since his "certification of live birth" hasn't been shown to be fake...

You guys really have some serious cognitive dissonance.



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 09:42 AM
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That rule about being born in the US to become a president is old and need to be updated anyway. I can understand them asking to be a US citizen for XX number of years before, but being born in another country is just discriminatory, it's not something you can control. The guy live all is life in the US, just because he was born and live elsewere for a few months should'nt disqualified him from being president.



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 10:13 AM
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It would matter and this is why.

Lets say just for arguments sake, the Federal Government discovers that President Obama is not a US citizen and he is allowed to continue with his Presidency. What does that mean? It would mean that the US Constitution would literally be thrown out the _ It would by precedence, allow lets say a UN Delegate from France or Russia or any other Non US Citizen to run for President of the United States. That would mean possibly, you would NOT have a US Citizen as President of the United States.

Oh that wouldn't happen... Really? People are already trying to do it. People are already saying it.

Thats why it matters.



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 10:18 AM
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I know Obama shouldn't be in the white house because he wasn't born in the US but there are a lot of good people born in other countries (and some are American by blood) that can't run for president because they weren't born on US soil. So that means an illegal Mexican's child can run for president because he or she was born in the US but the modern-day Buddha of India can't.

I think it's an aged rule in the Constitution that needs to be updated, or even better erased.

In the end, my vote still goes to Will Smith.



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by frimilden
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But you can be assured that either way it goes they will do all they can so that his legacy is tainted in scandal.


edit on 9/27/2010 by frimilden because: (no reason given)



LOL im sorry that was just very funny to me. i think thats all his legacy is isnt it?



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 10:40 AM
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I completely disagree. That rule makes all the difference. Citizens from other countries, should not hold Political Office in the United States. Naturalized Citizens, should not hold Executive Office in the United States. That rule is there for a reason. It keeps for instance, King George's Grandson, who is loyal to King George, but who was naturalized in the United States, from holding Executive Privileges.
It keeps foreign official who want to do harm, from Holding Executive Privilege. It keeps the President of the United Nations from dictating who can run for Presidential Office of the United States. It keeps a lot of really bad things that could happen, from happening.



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by Kaynos
That rule about being born in the US to become a president is old and need to be updated anyway. I can understand them asking to be a US citizen for XX number of years before, but being born in another country is just discriminatory, it's not something you can control. The guy live all is life in the US, just because he was born and live elsewere for a few months should'nt disqualified him from being president.


i think its funny that at first people for obama defend and say he was born in the US, then when things become apparent change their tune and now say..

"That rule about being born in the US to become a president is old and need to be updated anyway"

a major reason why it IS NOT a good thing to let others outside America run our country is obviously because they could be having other interests in mind for their own country at our expense. its very simple and very serious. how can so many people say its not relevant?



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 10:52 AM
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reply to post by TrueAmerican
 


From your own link:



The school card lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen born Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Hawaii.

www.wnd.com...

I thought the whole birther movement was fueled by the idea that Obama was not a natural born citizen of the United States. According to the article you quoted from, even his school documents from the 1960's claim he was born in Hawaii.



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by Mcintosh_gator1833
i think its funny that at first people for obama defend and say he was born in the US, then when things become apparent change their tune and now say..


I think it is funny that this thread is actually about a document that shows Obama was born in Hawaii and it is being paraded as something that proves the opposite. Then when things come apparent, they change the topic of the thread.



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by airspoon
I think Obama's citizenship is the least of our worries, as it wouldn't really matter much anyway. Even if we had absolute proof, it wouldn't matter. The power no longer lies with the people, as it is completely out of our control.


Right on the money. To me, this is of same significance as Lindsay Lohan picking what rehab she must go to, and this is not a lot of significance. The country is falling apart and it's not because of Obama's paperwork.



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 10:58 AM
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When Obama ends his term, be it 2012 or 2016, the minute power is transferred to the next "elected" president, the democrats and other left, liberals will exclaim: WE BROKE THE US CONSTITUTION! We can now do away with or change any or all of it. They will claim it broke after 4 or 8 years, depending. They will state since no one could prove Obama was or wasn't a US citizen, and it really didn't seem to matter, the US constitution doesn't matter. All those soldiers and sailors who have DIED to protect and uphold the constitution didn't matter. The police won't have to follow the constitution any more because it doesn't matter. They can now stop you in your car or come in to your house at any time and arrest, beat or kill you because it doesn't matter. Your right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness matters no longer.
Does it matter now?



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 11:37 AM
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This insanity has now gone too far. To claim that the President was not born in America is a political argument used as subterfuge to hide the ball from more important issues, but I suppose a legitimate argument to make. And even going so far as to say that President Obama, or someone in his family purposefully hid evidence of his, take your pick:1)Being Muslim 2)Being Indonesian 3)Being Kenyan 4)Being a Communist/Socialist/Marxist; well I suppose that is a silly argument, but one that has been made none the less.

But to say that the goal of the Democrats is to drag these silly arguments out until Obama is no longer president, and then say "nanny nanny boo boo, we fooled you, Obama wasn't legal so now the Constitution goes away, HA HA HA HA HA," well sir or madam, that is the most childish, insane, and downright ignorant argument I've ever heard. And to then claim that the Democrats want our service members to have died in vain is not only ignorant, it is repugnant and vile.

This is a conspiracy site, and granted, we will get into silly territory occasionally, and that's OK. But to say that simply because they disagree politically with you, that half of this nation's population want to destroy the Constitution and defile those that serve in our military is a statement made by either a child who needs to go stand in the corner or take a nap, or by an adult with so much hatred and ignorance that they should no longer take part in adult conversations.

Good luck, with this type of attitude around here, we're all gonna need it.

-Peace
AAH


edit on 28-9-2010 by Artephius Abraxas Helios because: spelling and grammar





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