LEAKED EMAILS: Reveal Profits of Anti-Piracy Cash Scheme

Originally posted by LoveHina
I don't care about your personal views and opinions on this whole subject tbh.

Well, it appears we agree on something then. I don't much care for your biased rant either.

If you had been making albums for the past 20 years, it is entirely possible that peoples tastes have changed over that time. Slam dancing isn't as popular as it once was, neither is disco.

Maybe yoke the strengths of the monster and not just piss and moan that progress is leaving you behind. Progress is leaving EVERYONE behind.

..Ex

Sounds like you're just a pirate. So your opinion doesn't matter.
If you're for Piracy, then tell me where you live and work... Ill come take your salary and products.
Thats the point here.

You all seem to think that piracy doesn't hurt anyone that matters.

And no I don't play horrible dance music. I am part of one of the most successful bands in the world in the genre I am in. Black Metal.

And it's not only me or my band(s). But ALL artists. And don't blame the artists you are all ripping off, for the lack of vision from the industry.





IMO all you piracy advocates need your Internet privileges removed tbh.

Originally posted by OTTOKARMA
reply to post by LoveHina

 

Or tell me where you work and live, so I can come and steal your income and products too

me, i build malwares
where i work ?
on the net

dont blame peoples for not buying if they're not interested by what you do

edit on 27-9-2010 by OTTOKARMA because: Batman told me to do so or my family could be killed (kidding, they're already dead)

6million+ hits on band website. Don't tell me people aren't interested. Even won 2 Grammy Awards for my music. So get bent tbh. Damn pirates.

reply to post by LoveHina


You've got a bad attitude based on an ageing business model.

There genuinely hasn't been enough research to fully approve or condemn piracy, but you seriously need to change your attitude in regards to profiteering in the current climate.

Oh and provide me some proof that piracy is responsible for any loss of your income.

Thanks.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by LoveHina

 

You've got a bad attitude based on an ageing business model.

There genuinely hasn't been enough research to fully approve or condemn piracy, but you seriously need to change your attitude in regards to profiteering in the current climate.

Oh and provide me some proof that piracy is responsible for any loss of your income.

Thanks.

I don't have any plans to send you my bank statements any time soon.
And again I say.... Don't blame the artists for the lack of ideas and progress in the industry.
But I do blame the people downloading (STEALING) illegally. So get of your holier-than-thou attitudes please.

A pirate is a pirate. And in the old days ppl like "you" got hung in public.

I don't have any plans to send you my bank statements any time soon.

So you're admitting to providing no proof, and expect us to somehow take up your notion that piracy is killing the industry, as opposed to what i propose is that piracy is proving that industry is greedy and refusing to update itself to modern models.

A pirate is a pirate. And in the old days ppl like "you" got hung in public.

No... we didn't... You have no idea what i advocate or don't advocate, yet any time i try and offer you information about 'alternative business approaches in the industry' - you get cocky and make presumptions.

Maybe all that black metal went to your head, but a multitude of ideas and frameworks exists outside Norway - 20 years on.

Do some research and stop making blind statements without any damn proof.

Originally posted by LoveHina
Sounds like you're just a pirate. So your opinion doesn't matter.
If you're for Piracy, then tell me where you live and work... Ill come take your salary and products.
Thats the point here.

You all seem to think that piracy doesn't hurt anyone that matters.

And no I don't play horrible dance music. I am part of one of the most successful bands in the world in the genre I am in. Black Metal.

And it's not only me or my band(s). But ALL artists. And don't blame the artists you are all ripping off, for the lack of vision from the industry.
IMO all you piracy advocates need your Internet privileges removed tbh.

Gawd why is it these trolls always come out as the defenders of the failed business model.
Ever hear of K-tel? They were the original pirates, and in all the years they operated they didn't kill the music industry. In fact, the music industry adapted to offer that type of mixed LP after K-tel went to offering as seen on TV products.

Now "Black Metal" or what ever you call that type of noise is hardly a mainstream format. So being wildly successful could be one track played on the radio. Having said that, you too should embrace the progress modern times have brought as at one point that kind of music would have had you burned at the stake.

I've heard "black metal" which to me is noise, having come from an age of Black Sabbath, Iron Butterfly and a host of real pioneering music, if I did accidentally download some crap metal I would immediately delete it. Oh, since I'm Canadian I have already paid a tax to download whatever I want. So I really am not one of the pirates you accuse others of being.

..Ex

It seems there's more news on this attack which has appeared on the bbc.

(oops, bigyin already posted the link on the third page)

Is it me or does the BBC make out these hackers (which they keep on calling them 4chan, even though we all know it probably aint just them) as criminals when the real criminals is, of course, ASC and Andrew Crossley.

I mean, this is clearly them treating the real criminals as victims, even with their (ASC) history.

Oh and one thing...
LoveHina, one thing you should know is some bands advertise their music/albums on some torrent websites to PROMOTE their music, thus getting new fans and maybe sell their music, while there is also some bands who play/share their music for free through websites like myspace (take paramore for example, they started unkown and look where they are at now), so if you truly been in the music business for as long as you say you have than you should know that constantly adapting and changing with the world around you is how people become succesful. but the way your talking it looks like your stuck in the past and buried under the dirt while alot of others are above it.

reply to post by lilstu21


Well! It seems Mr. Crossley has something to worry over beyond the downtime of his web activities.

maybe he can use that inconvenient time waiting in line for coffee tomorrow morning to think about that...

reply to post by LoveHina


why don't you do music tours? That is how a true musician works. You can't pirate tickets....well not really good anyway.

BTw the economy is in a real bad position all over the world. Buying music should be last on everybody's list. Entertainment like concerts though is a different story.

BBC news video piece on the story.

Black metal guy - don't cry over spilt blood or whatever it is hard core metal cries over.

Would you try to sue a guy who played a song of yours whilst out camping with his friends? Or what about people at a party who hear your music but have never paid for it - are they...I dunno the parlance for black metal...white metallurgists?

An artist who gets paid through their lifetime is a lucky artist - do it for the art and quit the luxurious snobbery which comes from financial success. Were I a paying fan of your band prior to this quip I'd most likely not be now (Similar to my current position against Metallica).

Enjoy doing your gigs just like the original artists used to prior to the markets being flooded with radio and records of promoted artists preventing smaller acts from making money and man up to change.

-m0r

Originally posted by LoveHina
Sounds like you're just a pirate. So your opinion doesn't matter.
If you're for Piracy, then tell me where you live and work... Ill come take your salary and products.
Thats the point here.

You all seem to think that piracy doesn't hurt anyone that matters.

And no I don't play horrible dance music. I am part of one of the most successful bands in the world in the genre I am in. Black Metal.

And it's not only me or my band(s). But ALL artists. And don't blame the artists you are all ripping off, for the lack of vision from the industry.





IMO all you piracy advocates need your Internet privileges removed tbh.

I was going to avoid responding in this thread due to my own thoughts on the matter but come one seriously. What band is that who is the most successful in the world? I think you mean metalocalypse, they are the best sellers in death metal which i think black metal is but I could be wrong. Could be a made up genre like acid jazz.

Also piracy is a widely misused word! To be honest if it wasnt for pirates who share their taste in music and their likes in music with others noone would buy any music unless they heard it from the artists live at a show. There are only so many hours in a day and pirates should be thanked for spreading the music that artists make and making them famous because if they didnt have an audience they would be dead in the water.

like i said piracy is a loose word

Such as is piracy listening to my friends ipod and hearing music I never heard that I do not own a license too?
What If i go to a wedding or a frat party I dont see the band showing up there to colect royalties from each person within earshot so is that piracy.
What If I am on skype and my friend is playing a song and it travels over my connection is that piracy?
Maybe I am on the bus and someone is jamming to a tune on their cell phone loud as many are prone to do are they in essence pirates who should be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law?
Should all the normal people who sing other famous songs on youtube be put in jail since in essence that would be piracy reiterating the artists vision without any royalties to the actual artist?

its a very broad word and often used incorrectly, piracy in essence to me is just sharing. The only people who hate it are sociopaths who never learned to share. Piracy is NOT selling someone elses movies or music that is just theft because someone is profiting from someone elses work. Theft is not piracy if I break a cookie in half and share it with my brother I am not pirating oreos and oreo company is not losing money. In fact my brother loves oreos and will probably buy tons of oreos in his life. A cookie that if I didnt share it with him he would have no exposure to and wouldnt know existed.

Piracy is fine in my book, its just sharing with a bad name. Theft or making money off someones labor is wrong and a crime in my book and those people should be prosecuted. Sharing is always good its how every band in history gets their name out gets buzz and clocks up sales and makes money. Kind of like the paparazzi, you should only worry about them when their not around since that means you have been deemed irrelevant by the modern culture, same can be said about pirates.

YES!! ACS is being fined for half a million pounds!!

BBC News - ACS:Law could face £500,000 fine for porn list leak

Funny thing is, the ACS called ICO to investigate the "criminals" (4chan and everyone else) and now ICO are actually investigating THEM. Saying,

Mr Graham told BBC News that while he did not have the power to put ACS:Law "out of business" a large fine could have serious repercussions for the firm.

"I cant put ACS: Law out of business, but a company that is hit by a fine of up to half a million pounds sufferers real reputation damage.

"Firms have to think about how this looks to our customers and to our citizens," he added.

BBC Morning News speaks to the Commissioner for Data Protect.

-m0r

We have a real life artist here, wow. And he's all unhappy about the millions he's not getting.

I'm a pirate (love the name) because i don't give 2 hoots about your royalties. If you don't want me to hear your music, don't let me get a copy. It's yours isn't it? How about you look after it? Instead of crying when you lose it? And if you don't want to lose it, don't sell it in my country. If you want it in my country, don't cry if we don't obey your rules, ok?

There is no evidence that it is costing the industry anything. ALL it is doing is increasing the listener base, at no cost to you.

I lent my lawnmower to my friend, oh no! The lawnmower company has lost a sale!!!
And if i have an album i enjoy, i'll copy it, and give to a friend to enjoy too.

And as to lawyers who think they can extort money from people who have not broken any laws, by bullying and fear, well if you're on their side you can damned well STAY on their side. Don't be stupid enough to think you can also pretend to be "one of us common folk". (we are all pirates) Go hobnob with those lawyers, i'd bet it isn't them that's buying your records either.

reply to post by lilstu21


Fantastic!



But the damage has probably already been done to those people.

I have to say that when i pay $10 for a CD i now own that object - so i own everything on it. If i want to copy it and give that copy away, then why shouldn't i? I resent the suggestion that despite paying for this overpriced object i still do not fully own this object -- that i've only bought a license to listen to the material via this object - that i cannot 'broadcast' it by sharing what i've payed for with whoever i wish.

This is a huge confidence trick in which parasites have much of the public convinced that the above scenario makes moral and practical sense. It doesn't, it simply protects future profits for those corps that have agreed to sell this product.

It's like a heavyweight drug-dealer using intimidation and cohesion to ensure they are the only dealers in the area. File sharing is the equivalent of everyone in the area having the facility and inclination to sell their drug for themselves, without having to go through the dealer. Terrifying prospect for the heavyweight dealer - once the illusion of his intimidation is tested by enough people it will fail to work, since the dealer will never have enough heavies to act in reprisal against everyone.

I'm an artist who like many struggles. Some are successful because they are talented, others because their is an incredibly nepotistic industry built around it by leaches. The ladders are well and truly pulled up for most ordinary people - file sharing gives an amazing new forum for the undiscovered, non-patronized talents, who are the Vast majority, to have their work seen, heard and read. This is new and uncertain territory for the art world, but it's also exciting and unavoidable. In the future our artists will emerge and survive in different, purer fashion than they do now - without the leaches - the internet will give us more Banksys and fewer boybands. The leaches are now in a race to find the high ground in ways to syphon money from this new way. May they fail and fail again.

The original Sony Playstation was not the best console of it's day and yet it rose to become the top selling machine because of piracy. Because a chip could be fitted and people could play copied games it shot to number one. Everybody wanted one because everyone had one .... not everyone got it chipped.

Compare that to the current PS3 which can't be chipped and it's sales are in the doldrums.

Oddly just as christmas is looming a hack for the ps3 has emerged. Can't help thinking that Sony themselves released the hack to kick start their flagging sales.

Same thing happended with Microsofts Xbox. No sales until it could be hacked, then it took off.

I would contend that if it wasn't for piracy Microsofts Windows and other Office products would not be as successful as they have been. There is no way the ordinary guy could afford to buy the real product. But by having access to cheap copies he could teach himself about the programs figure out how they work and become familiar with them. Through this businesses were able to adopt the products because there was a supply of people able to use them.

In my view piracy has served some companies very well. I agree with previous poster that the reason some sites are targetted is because they are posing a threat to the monopoly the media business currently enjoys. Nothing to do with loss of sales.

6million+ hits on band website. Don't tell me people aren't interested. Even won 2 Grammy Awards for my music. So get bent tbh. Damn pirates.

Black metal, are you kidding, i understand why nones buy your music, that genre is DEAD, except some kids, nones listen to black metal anymore, who want to listen some "singer" with throat cancer growling and barking in the mic, sorry dude but your musical style is only loved by some mall goths, that explain why you dont get the millions you want boohoo poor you

Anyways, im a pirate, but dont blame pirates for your musical incompetence.

PS: i share and download more than 200 go per week, but i dont have any black metal in my favored list, i own a brain, that could explain why im not listening to it

PPS: torrentfreak.com... rrentfreak+%28Torrentfreak%29

Originally posted by LoveHina
I don't have any plans to send you my bank statements any time soon.
And again I say.... Don't blame the artists for the lack of ideas and progress in the industry.
But I do blame the people downloading (STEALING) illegally. So get of your holier-than-thou attitudes please.

A pirate is a pirate. And in the old days ppl like "you" got hung in public.

Newsflash honey:
Whoever told you that what you were doing when you were 16 is still going to be your main source of income when you are 60 lied.
It really isn't my fault that you feel you are entitled to make a good Income from underwater basket weaving, no matter how good you are at it. Fact is: You are not. I suggest if you can't make money in your chosen carreer, try something else. Everybody else has to live with that simple fact of life. I see no reason why you should not.