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J-13 and XXJ!!!

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posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 03:44 AM
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I found some very good info on J-13 and XXJ.

This the future fighters in China.

Link to J-13 and XXJ info

I wish it is informative to people.

Out,
Russian

[edit on 12-4-2005 by Seekerof]




posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 03:53 AM
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If anyone can find anymore info about these aircrafts please post it here.

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posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 04:13 AM
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Just found out that J-13 might be out in 2020!!!

With stealth capabilties avaiable.

Link to info

Its on post # 2.

Out,
Russian



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 06:29 AM
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they didnt even made a worthy 4th generation aircraft



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 12:04 PM
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by that time the US will have hypersonic space aircraft so it wont matter.



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 12:10 PM
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You got to understand that this is hard for Chinese because they are jumping a generation to get here.

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Russian



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 12:51 PM
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I've been saying this for a while, but China is going to need to come out with 2 generations of aircraft before they can truely compete. You know what they say - practice makes perfect.



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by American Mad Man
I've been saying this for a while, but China is going to need to come out with 2 generations of aircraft before they can truely compete. You know what they say - practice makes perfect.


Yes you are right in some ways.

I think though it will be like 1.5 generations before China will catch up.

They are really going at it right now.

Out,
Russian



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 02:31 PM
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yeah - they really do seem intent on becoming a major military jet exporter. They could believe that if they can produce a jet on par with the US for half the price, they could start selling to the rest of the world.



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 02:34 PM
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yeah but they are not making stuff by them selfs they are getting russian stuff so you cant say the chinese are making progress if they cant make __________by them selfs.



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 02:53 PM
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West Point, you got a point that Chinese are really get most tech from Russia.

But they are still researching their own tech so with Russian and their tech combined they can get to some kind of top(maybe top 5). From there they can start depending on Russian tech less.

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Russian



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 03:02 PM
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I think it will have the opposite affect if they get to dependant on other countries and then something happens to Russia or Russia doesn't want to export the Chinese will be left with this tech that they have no idea what its for.



posted on Jun, 26 2004 @ 11:37 PM
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China is not that stupid...

What tech they get the research on it and if other countries stop selling China their tech then China will go on, on its.

They will have a harder time but they will go on.

Out,
Russian



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 01:42 AM
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but they don't have any factories with an assembly line for the tech that they are buying so how will they produce them and reverse engineering is hard.






West Point
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posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 03:35 AM
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According to the reports of the Jane's Defence Weekly,
China has already launched its next generation stealthy fighter
aircraft programme, and Shenyang Aircraft Industry Co. (SAC) has
been selected to head research and development of a new fighter
for the PLA Air Force
Development of the subsystems including the engine and weapon suite for the next generation fighter has been underway
for some time, according to the report from Jane's. Images of the
concepts show a twin-engine aircraft sharing some design traits
with Lockheed Martin's stealthy F/A-22 "Raptor" multirole
fighter such as the internal carriage of its weaponsMeanwhile there isn't much public information about
the programme. The aircraft, which could be designated as J-13 or
J-14, is still going through initial concept work, the same stage
as the USAF Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF) programme in the early
1980s, which later led to the F/A-22 Raptor. Sources within China's confirmed
that the SAC is looking at a twin-engine, single-seat, single vertical
tale fin design, but other design proposals has yet been ruled out.As China has developed close ties with Russia's aerospace
industry and has license produced many planes of formal Soviet designs,
it can be predicted that the J-XX would include some, if not many
Russian technologies and designs. China has been offered a 'joint
development and production' of a new fifth-generation fighter by
Russia -LFI. Russia has been trying to sell this concept both to
China and India for some time, but neither of them has committed
fully yet. According to Russian resources, the LFI will be able
to counter U.S. second fifth-generation Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)Stealth and thrust vectoring are two must-have features
in all aircraft being designed in the 21st century. If is not clear
that how much progress Chinese designers have made in these areas,
and Chinese aircraft industry may have to take Western/Israeli/Russian
helps to make the J-XX truly fouth-generation (or fifth-generation
using the Russian standards). Once introduced, the J-12's immediate
rival will be U.S. F/A-22, JSF and India's MCA

Source www.sinodefence.com...



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 03:39 AM
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Artists impression





posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 03:58 AM
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Hi Russian

J13 is a plan put forward by 611 Institute, which is the same Institute who
designed J10. But this plan already dropped in favor of 601's J12 plan.
The reason I think maybe the same as YF23 and YF22. J13's layout maybe
more advanced but high cost and not good for stealth, maybe that is why
J12's plan finally won in the evaluation. So I think there will be no J13
anymore.

The vice chief designer of J10 once said in an interview that China has
made some major breakthough in 5th-g aircraft design, he did not specify
in which field. But I guess it is the stealth technology and also stealth
marterial.

Two bottle neck still need to solve, one is the engine, one is avionics.
Chinese new WS10 turbofan engine is just slightly better that AL-31F,
1473 radar now accepted by PLAAF, also suggesting it reached some
extent, but these 2 key fields I think we just reached western's 4th
generation level, still a long way to go. I heard J12 has dropped the
request of supersoinc cruising, so our engine is still problem.

Do you have any news of Russian's 5th generation aircraft design ?
I heard PAK-F, but don't know how much work has been done.

The other thing is if we talk about J12, it does not need to wait till 2020,
it is expected to begin induct around 2015.



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 09:42 AM
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we have nothing to fear by the time the chinese get the J-13 15-20 years rom now we weill ave something better than the F-22



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
we have nothing to fear by the time the chinese get the J-13 15-20 years rom now we weill ave something better than the F-22


Accutaly US gets new aircraft fighters every 25 years or so.

And you never know what will be left of the world in 20 years.

Out,
Russian



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
we have nothing to fear by the time the chinese get the J-13 15-20 years rom now we weill ave something better than the F-22


WestPoint

What is wrong with your post, you are so coward and easy scare ? We
make J12 is for ourselves, not to scare the Americans.

America has F22 can not scare us, why Americans need to scare out J12.




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