The China Superpower Hoax

Originally posted by libertytoall
Not to mention OUR EARTH has been COOLING over the last decade.

Awesome....
Somebody can see through all the BS

PEACE,
RK

Originally posted by Rigel Kent

Originally posted by libertytoall
Not to mention OUR EARTH has been COOLING over the last decade.

Awesome....
Somebody can see through all the BS

PEACE,
RK

No, it has not been cooling, thats a laymens myth.

To say we're currently experiencing global cooling overlooks one simple physical reality - the land and atmosphere are only one small fraction of the Earth's climate (albeit the part we inhabit). Global warming is by definition global. The entire planet is accumulating heat due to an energy imbalance. The atmosphere is warming. Oceans are accumulating energy. Land absorbs energy and ice absorbs heat to melt. To get the full picture on global warming, you need to view the Earth's entire heat content.

This analysis is performed in An observationally based energy balance for the Earth since 1950 (Murphy 2009) which adds up heat content from the ocean, atmosphere, land and ice. To calculate the Earth's total heat content, the authors used data of ocean heat content from the upper 700 metres. They included heat content from deeper waters down to 3000 metres depth. They computed atmospheric heat content using the surface temperature record and the heat capacity of the troposphere. Land and ice heat content (the energy required to melt ice) were also included.

Figure 1: Total Earth Heat Content from 1950 (Murphy 2009). Ocean data taken from Domingues et al. 2008. A look at the Earth's total heat content clearly shows global warming has continued past 1998. So why do surface temperature records show 1998 as the hottest year on record? Figure 1 shows the heat capacity of the land and atmosphere are small compared to the ocean (the tiny brown sliver of "land + atmosphere" also includes the heat absorbed to melt ice). Hence, relatively small exchanges of heat between the atmosphere and ocean can cause significant changes in surface temperature.

In 1998, an abnormally strong El Nino caused heat transfer from the Pacific Ocean to the atmosphere. Consequently, we experienced above-average surface temperatures. Conversely, the last few years have seen moderate La Nina conditions which had a cooling effect on global temperatures. And the last few months have swung back to warmer El Nino conditions. This has coincided with the warmest June-August sea surface temperatures on record. This internal variation where heat is shuffled around our climate is the reason why surface temperature is such a noisy signal.

Figure 1 also underscores just how much global warming the planet is experiencing. Since 1970, the Earth's heat content has been rising at a rate of 6 x 1021 Joules per year. In more meaningful terms, the planet has been accumulating energy at a rate of 190,260 gigawatts. Considering a typical nuclear power plant has an output of 1 gigawatt, imagine 190,000 nuclear power plants pouring their energy output directly into our oceans.

How do we find out what's happened from 2003 until now? Unfortunately, there is no time series (that I know of) of the planet's total heat content up to present time. However, we do have the next best thing. Schuckmann 2009 analyzes ocean temperature measurements by the Argo network, constructing a map of ocean heat content down to 2000 metres. This is significantly deeper than other recent papers that focus on upper ocean heat, only going down to 700 metres. They constructed the following time series of global ocean heat: Figure 2: Time series of global mean heat storage (0–2000 m), measured in 108 Joules per square metre. Globally, the oceans continued to accumulate heat right to the end of 2008. Over the last 5 years, the oceans have been absorbing heat at a rate of 0.77 Watts per square metre. Combined with the results of Murphy 2009, we now see a picture of continued global warming.

How does this value compare to other estimates of energy imbalance? Willis 2004 combines satellite altimetry with ocean heat measurements to find an ocean warming rate of 0.85 Watts per square metre from 1993 to 2003. Hansen 2005, using ocean heat data, calculated the planet's energy imbalance in 2003 to be 0.85 Watts per square metre.

Trenberth 2009 examined satellite measurements of incoming and outgoing radiation for the March 2000 to May 2004 period and found the planet accumulating energy at a rate of 0.9 Watts per square metre. These results all find broad agreement and all find a statistically significant positive energy imbalance. Our climate is still accumulating heat. Global warming is still happening.

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Originally posted by Maslo

Originally posted by Rigel Kent

Originally posted by libertytoall
Not to mention OUR EARTH has been COOLING over the last decade.

Awesome....
Somebody can see through all the BS

PEACE,
RK

No, it has not been cooling, thats a laymens myth.

To say we're currently experiencing global cooling overlooks one simple physical reality - the land and atmosphere are only one small fraction of the Earth's climate (albeit the part we inhabit). Global warming is by definition global. The entire planet is accumulating heat due to an energy imbalance. The atmosphere is warming. Oceans are accumulating energy. Land absorbs energy and ice absorbs heat to melt. To get the full picture on global warming, you need to view the Earth's entire heat content.

This analysis is performed in An observationally based energy balance for the Earth since 1950 (Murphy 2009) which adds up heat content from the ocean, atmosphere, land and ice. To calculate the Earth's total heat content, the authors used data of ocean heat content from the upper 700 metres. They included heat content from deeper waters down to 3000 metres depth. They computed atmospheric heat content using the surface temperature record and the heat capacity of the troposphere. Land and ice heat content (the energy required to melt ice) were also included.

Figure 1: Total Earth Heat Content from 1950 (Murphy 2009). Ocean data taken from Domingues et al. 2008. A look at the Earth's total heat content clearly shows global warming has continued past 1998. So why do surface temperature records show 1998 as the hottest year on record? Figure 1 shows the heat capacity of the land and atmosphere are small compared to the ocean (the tiny brown sliver of "land + atmosphere" also includes the heat absorbed to melt ice). Hence, relatively small exchanges of heat between the atmosphere and ocean can cause significant changes in surface temperature.

In 1998, an abnormally strong El Nino caused heat transfer from the Pacific Ocean to the atmosphere. Consequently, we experienced above-average surface temperatures. Conversely, the last few years have seen moderate La Nina conditions which had a cooling effect on global temperatures. And the last few months have swung back to warmer El Nino conditions. This has coincided with the warmest June-August sea surface temperatures on record. This internal variation where heat is shuffled around our climate is the reason why surface temperature is such a noisy signal.

Figure 1 also underscores just how much global warming the planet is experiencing. Since 1970, the Earth's heat content has been rising at a rate of 6 x 1021 Joules per year. In more meaningful terms, the planet has been accumulating energy at a rate of 190,260 gigawatts. Considering a typical nuclear power plant has an output of 1 gigawatt, imagine 190,000 nuclear power plants pouring their energy output directly into our oceans.

How do we find out what's happened from 2003 until now? Unfortunately, there is no time series (that I know of) of the planet's total heat content up to present time. However, we do have the next best thing. Schuckmann 2009 analyzes ocean temperature measurements by the Argo network, constructing a map of ocean heat content down to 2000 metres. This is significantly deeper than other recent papers that focus on upper ocean heat, only going down to 700 metres. They constructed the following time series of global ocean heat: Figure 2: Time series of global mean heat storage (0–2000 m), measured in 108 Joules per square metre. Globally, the oceans continued to accumulate heat right to the end of 2008. Over the last 5 years, the oceans have been absorbing heat at a rate of 0.77 Watts per square metre. Combined with the results of Murphy 2009, we now see a picture of continued global warming.

How does this value compare to other estimates of energy imbalance? Willis 2004 combines satellite altimetry with ocean heat measurements to find an ocean warming rate of 0.85 Watts per square metre from 1993 to 2003. Hansen 2005, using ocean heat data, calculated the planet's energy imbalance in 2003 to be 0.85 Watts per square metre.

Trenberth 2009 examined satellite measurements of incoming and outgoing radiation for the March 2000 to May 2004 period and found the planet accumulating energy at a rate of 0.9 Watts per square metre. These results all find broad agreement and all find a statistically significant positive energy imbalance. Our climate is still accumulating heat. Global warming is still happening.

www.skepticalscience.com...

Explain then, why are the icecaps on Mars melting? there aren't any humans over there yet year by year these ice caps get smaller and smaller.

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Martian icecaps are melting because of other natural processes (see links), but martian warming is not global and has little in common with the warming of the Earth.

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It has been argued that "observed regional changes in south polar ice cover are almost certainly due to a regional climate transition, not a global phenomenon, and are demonstrably unrelated to external forcing."[49] Writing in a Nature news story, Chief News and Features Editor Oliver Morton said "The warming of other solar bodies has been seized upon by climate sceptics.On Mars, the warming seems to be down to dust blowing around and uncovering big patches of black basaltic rock that heat up in the day"[60][61]

The conventional theory is that climate changes on Mars can be explained primarily by small alterations in the planet's orbit and tilt, not by changes in the sun.
"Wobbles in the orbit of Mars are the main cause of its climate change in the current era," Oxford's Wilson explained. (Related: "Don't Blame Sun for Global Warming, Study Says" [September 13, 2006].)
All planets experience a few wobbles as they make their journey around the sun. Earth's wobbles are known as Milankovitch cycles and occur on time scales of between 20,000 and 100,000 years.
These fluctuations change the tilt of Earth's axis and its distance from the sun and are thought to be responsible for the waxing and waning of ice ages on Earth.
Mars and Earth wobble in different ways, and most scientists think it is pure coincidence that both planets are between ice ages right now.
"Mars has no [large] moon, which makes its wobbles much larger, and hence the swings in climate are greater too," Wilson said.

If you propose that Earth and Mars warming has the same cause, it has to be the Sun. But it has been shown that variabilities in the suns output alone are simply too small to account for the observed changes in Earths climate.

But sunspot-driven changes to the sun's power are simply too small to account for the climatic changes observed in historical data from the 17th century to the present, research suggests.

The difference in brightness between the high point of a sunspot cycle and its low point is less than 0.1 percent of the sun's total output.
"If you run that back in time to the 17th century using sunspot records, you'll find that this amplitude variance is negligible for climate," Foukal said.

Dont underestimate china.. Its a big country and takes time to change.. Change doesnt happen overnight.. FYI Im posting from china at present and CAN access youtube as well so its NOT blocked .. Doubt farcebook is blocked either havent tried it as dont and wont use it. Even if farcebook is blocked no big loss the chinese are better off without it. China is freer than the propaganda your fed tells you..

Originally posted by Expat888
Dont underestimate china.. Its a big country and takes time to change.. Change doesnt happen overnight.. FYI Im posting from china at present and CAN access youtube as well so its NOT blocked ..

Perchance, do you reside in Hong Kong?

Hong Kong is an entirely different planet within the Chinese Solar System.

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True hk is different from the mainland .. Am in guangzhou at present visiting friends then going to hainan .

China does the real work while "developed nations" live on selling windowses and fraudulent media campaigns.
Even swine/avian flu seems have been real only in China (it was sold under brand name of SARS at that time)

Yes, and first real man on the moon will be from China!

reply to post by farben


The first real mine if they have anything to do with it:
dailygalaxy.com

China's New Moon Mission Blasts Off -Is Mining Helium 3 the Ultimate Goal?

A daunting new mission to the Moon was launched Tuesday by the Chinese National Space Administration (CNSA). Chang’e-1 blasted off from the Xichang Satellite Launch Centre, Sichuan, atop a Long March 3A rocket -the first step in the Chinese ambition to land robotic explorers on the Moon before 2020.

Earlier this year, shortly after Russia claimed a vast portion of the Arctic sea floor, accelerating an international race for the natural resources as global warming opens polar access, China has announced plans to map "every inch" of the surface of the Moon and exploit the vast quantities of Helium-3 thought to lie buried in lunar rocks as part of its ambitious space-exploration program. Ouyang Ziyuan, head of the first phase of lunar exploration, was quoted on government-sanctioned news site ChinaNews.com describing plans to collect three dimensional images of the Moon for future mining of Helium 3: "There are altogether 15 tons of helium-3 on Earth, while on the Moon, the total amount of Helium-3 can reach one to five million tons." "Helium-3 is considered as a long-term, stable, safe, clean and cheap material for human beings to get nuclear energy through controllable nuclear fusion experiments," Ziyuan added. "If we human beings can finally use such energy material to generate electricity, then China might need 10 tons of helium-3 every year and in the world, about 100 tons of helium-3 will be needed every year." Helium 3 fusion energy - classic Buck Rogers propulsion system- may be the key to future space exploration and settlement, requiring less radioactive shielding, lightening the load. Scientists estimate there are about one million tons of helium 3 on the moon, enough to power the world for thousands of years. The equivalent of a single space shuttle load or roughly 25 tons could supply the entire United States' energy needs for a year. Thermonuclear reactors capable of processing Helium-3 would have to be built, along with major transport system to get various equipment to the Moon to process huge amounts of lunar soil and get the minerals back to Earth. With China's announcement, a new Moon-focused Space Race seems locked in place. China made its first steps in space just a few years ago, and is in the process of establishing a lunar base by 2024. NASA is currently working on a new space vehicle, Orion, which is destined to fly the U.S. astronauts to the moon in 13 years, to deploy a permanent base.

RE: OP - Yes, China has a lot of issues, hurdles, and even weaknesses to overcome, but then I look back in history at the rise and fall of previous superpowers, and I can't see anything that screams out at me to say China is any worse positioned than any of the predecessors, at this stage in the game?

reply to post by Romantic_Rebel


I think the article you originally posted poses some serious questions. However, as someone who has watched Chinas latest ascension of influence and significance take shape, my impression is that what such arguments may omit an understanding of China's achievements, and full potential. I thought this article provided some interesting insights on both the economic and civil rights situation:

International Business Times - UK

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China's Communist Party is holding a high-level 'secret' meeting in Beijing to discuss economic and social growth priorities for its people and draw up its next five-year plan for the economy. The meeting assumes significance as it will be known who will be China’s next leader in 2012.

Last month, Chinese President Hu Jintao had stated that the new five-year economic plan will promote inclusive growth and address social problems to increase the earnings and welfare of farmers and workers.

Chinese leaders are keen to close the gap between rich and poor and between coastal and inland areas, though analysts feel the leaders should instead seek a high rate of economic growth, BBC News reported. More than 300 members of the party assembled in Beijing on Friday.

Meanwhile, media reports indicate a debate on political reforms is intensifying after Chinese premier Wen Jiabao issued a call for reform to give its citizens more say in matters.

With a Chinese jailed dissident leader, Liu Xiaobo, becoming the first Nobel Peace Prize winner, a group of 100 activists has signed a petition calling for his release. It has also sparked calls abroad calling for his release.

Earlier this month, CNN had reported Wen as saying that calls for democracy and freedom will become irresistible. Analysts say these remarks reflected the dissatisfaction with what is perceived as a lack of inner-party democracy which is seen as dominated by President Hu.

Meanwhile, a letter signed by 23 Communist Party elders, former officials and media leaders called for freedom of expression which described China’s censorship system as a scandal and an embarrassment.

Media reports said the authors called on Chinese authorities to free "all prisoners of conscience and political prisoners locked up for ideological, expression or religious reasons".

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One last thought: if, as is inferred in the article I posted just now, China's next leadership team choose to relax or redefine their civil rights policies and for instance develop freedom of speech policies and more liberal approaches to political opposition...I wonder whether they may then be somewhat forced into re-positioning their strategy for dealing with Islamic fundamentalism, which I understand is a very real headache for them?

Could it be that such political moves within China's borders may have significant impacts on their foreign policies and relationships?