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Religion... does it give God the shaft?

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posted on Jun, 23 2004 @ 11:12 PM
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Why do religions go to great lengths to discredit science? They keep their gods in a box with 4 corners, that they create... while saying God created the box. God is not credited with creating anything that exists outside the box.

Evolution.. the slow process of birth, death and the evolution of species leading up to Homo Sapians and the creatures we share the earth with. By all rights it's a miracle that we are here, conscoius, free willed and able to change ourselves and our enviroment. Our biologogy and the biology of other species of the planet are delicate and almost perfectly designed. The atoms our body is made up of was spit out by the stars.. all of these I find much more breathtaking then...

In 7 days and 7 nights....

And the rest of the universe... they are sure must just be eyecandy for us. God certainly would have not created any other life.. now would he. The universe around us, how it works on both the quantum scale and the large scale.. is like a dance of perfect harmony... without that dance no life could exist, either at all or in the way we know it. Forget it, none of it matters.. it's just there so that we have something to look at.

Carl Sagan's "A Demon Haunted World" is a good book that will give you a better idea of just some of the miracles in the universe... when I read it.. I had something akin to a religious experiance.

So really my question is... why the cover up?? Why are we taught to turn a blind eye to all the other beauty God created.

I turned away from religion a long time ago.. and in turn away from God.. then I found science and was reintroduced to a God with much more meaning then I can find in any current relious text.

So tell me why the God you've created as so much less imagination then mine.. but is surely better...

Or better yet what scares you so much that you deny your God the thanks it deserves for all things besides "us".

Why the cover-up...denial?




posted on Jun, 23 2004 @ 11:23 PM
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Sorry, I am not understanding your stance.

Evolution is a miracle. But, you do or don't believe in God?
and if you believe in God are you refering to the true God, Yah Shua's dad
or a different one?



posted on Jun, 23 2004 @ 11:27 PM
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UnusualMe, though I don't particularly care to argue with you, it is my understanding that the 7 days of creation mentioned in Genesis, is nowadays accepted in a metaphorical sense.

And looked at like that, I cannot see how it conflicts with the theories held by the evolutionists.



posted on Jun, 23 2004 @ 11:28 PM
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The I found..am referring to.. is one I found personaly, he's not found in any religious texts.



posted on Jun, 23 2004 @ 11:30 PM
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Does he have a son named Yah Shua, that is christ?



posted on Jun, 23 2004 @ 11:40 PM
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Religion actually has little to do with God, but is mostly concerned with controling what people think about God. It's an easy scam to pull too since it can never be proven or disproven.



posted on Jun, 23 2004 @ 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by Bastet
the 7 days of creation mentioned in Genesis, is nowadays accepted in a metaphorical sense.


Personally, I believe the entire Bible is meant in a metaphorical sense.

Religions are an easy way to give people power. Religion and faith are two completely different things, like knowledge and wisdom. I'm not into religion, because they are all just one basic idea varied for culture and time. So I cut through the bull and just talk to God. Why waste time running around in circles following an ancient dogma when you could talk to God now? I'm raised Catholic, but I follow no religion. I dont think its right to only allow those over the age of 16 to be seen as wise adults in the eyes of God (confirmation) when its children who are more wise than the rest of us. So screw the hymns and screw the robes, I practice as I see fit, and me and God are cool with each other.

Religion? Bah! Faith? BAM!



posted on Jun, 23 2004 @ 11:59 PM
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Exactly Scat. No one has any better idea of what God is and wants than each of us do. I know God as well as anyone on the planet does, mostly because no one on the planet knows anything about God at all.



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 12:08 AM
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My question is more.. why does religion try to cover up science...



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 12:19 AM
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It doesnt try to cover up science. It tries to ignore it. Religion's views came first so they think they are right.

For example, ask most Catholics why Catholicism is right:
"Because its the oldest."

Somehow, standing the test of time gives validity, and religion is one pillar that time will most likely never blow over. Science is constatnly changing, growing, learning, expanding, and morphing. Religion does not change because change is fear, change is admitting that something could be better, that something wasnt right. Science admits these wrongs because it desires change, religion does not because it, like the God it preaches, is somehow infallible. (sp?)

Heres an illustration:

Take photography. We have our good old 35mm black and white develop-aat-home know how and then we have the digital camera user. People who use 35 mm will never accept digital because its too easy, too new. 35mm will never change. It is how it is. But digital cameras are always changing, a better model coming out everyday. Its easier. Its faster.

Religion and science...a never ending feud over tradition vs. efficiency...even though both can be printed on the exact same paper at Eckerds for $7.99



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 12:26 AM
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Science and religion have been at loggerheads ever since people started reading and writing I think. Both side have a habit of trying to disprove the other and with anything in life when you start questioning people beliefs they tend to get angry. The term live and let live should be taught in schools I think especially these days


I think whatever gives you comfort and helps you get through the night is all right and thats a john Lennon song so it has to be true.



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 12:26 AM
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Your question "why does religion try to cover up science" is not taking the discussion anywhere, UnusualMe.


Perhaps you should illustrate the question with specific examples for our enlightenment.



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by dwh0
thats a john Lennon song so it has to be true.


Well, of course! All hail John Lennon!



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 12:48 AM
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well i suppose the most glaring one would be

Creationalists
vs
Evolution



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 12:53 AM
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For a Religion to have any credibility it doesn't look good to get caught being wrong about anything. Most Religions claim to be the one and only true path to God. How true is this path if your supposedly God inpired dogma, even the smallest part of it, is proved to be false? Kinda calls the rest of your message into question doesn't it?

That would be the reason that Religion usually opposes Science.



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 01:17 AM
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ooooooh! Creationists vs. Evolutionists! A great debate and one of the most overdone too. Everybody knows the Jesus Fish, right? The one that everybody puts on the back of their cars? Well a little while back, Somebody invented the Darwin fish. its the Jesus fish but with arms, legs, and a top hat and inside the body it says "Darwinism". Well, the Christians have already responded! The other day, I say a new fish thing, this time with sever dawin fish being eaten whole by a jesus fish that says "Truth" in the body.

Its just one big fish fry! unofrtunately, all the seasoning has already been used up.



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 01:22 AM
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I think you're taking the story of Creation in the Bible too literally, LuDaCris, in order to prove your as yet unsubstantiated point.

Genesis can equally be regarded as an allegorical representation of evolution theory.



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 08:02 AM
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Hi Bastet:

Why do you and so many others on this thread automatically assume that all "Creation Argument Stances" must ALWAYS some how refer or relate ipso facto to the 2 unpointed paleo Hebrew Creation Myths in the Jewish Torah (specifically Bere#h, the socalled book of Genesis: Gen 1:1 to 2:4a and 2:4b through the end of chapter 4)?

There are literally scores of "Creation Myths" currently in print around the world which describe how "heaven and earth" was created by the gods, or by a particular god etc. why do the rather tawdry and simplistic examples in the Jewish Bible seem to be "the only ones" people know about.

I certainly hope we're not talking conspiracy here, but haven't any of you ever heard of COMPARATIVE RELIGION?

There is MORE THAN ONE CREATION STORY PEOPLE! Even the Jews had at least THREE (if you count the one buried in the book of proto Isaiah and the core of the Poem of Job!)



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 08:06 AM
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Although admittedly, some religious people might discount science just as some science enthusiasts discount religion.

But all religious people do not discount science.

Check out this web page which includes religion and science (and the Bible Code): onealclan0.tripod.com...



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 08:54 AM
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Amadeus, I totally agree. There are many creation stories from all civilizations around the world. Doesn't have anything to do with religion necessarily. Unless you want to equate belief in a higher force and order as religion. I believe in intelligent design and creation but not one thats been written down perfectly in any book.
Since science is being discussed...A true scientist would never assume that evolution OR creation is right. Until they KNOW, which I'm afraid none of us do. If we KNEW, science wouldn't still be working on it. We only believe.
Religion does not always seek to rule out science. Sometimes they have to though in order to protect themselves. Religion presents itself as the complete answer...When science observes something that differs from there ideology and holy books; then there's is only one explanation in the mind of the religious. Science must be wrong. As you can see, Religion does not have all the answers. They advertise themselves as COMPLETE, when they are not.
In the same manner, Science doesn't have all the answers either(not yet anyways). Science does it's fair share of ruling out things as well. They insist data must be observed. However, Science has shown that our material world is not what we necessarily observe. We can see what we want to see; like many people do in religious experiences
I think the answer lies somewhere in the midst of the two systems.



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