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Korean beheading video (revised)

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posted on Jun, 23 2004 @ 09:58 PM
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Hello guys. My 2nd post here. My first was deleted because I put links to sites the moderators apparently dont want links to. I just saw the new beheading video, and I cannot stand this. Nick Berg, Paul Johnson, now Kim Il. It puzzles me.
Why do they do this, and why do they think its right?

In my opinion, Kim must have been dead before the beheading. If anyone notices, there is a 4 or 5 minute gap in between where Kim stops talking and when the terrorists start. And when they do talk, Kim never moves or fights at all. Also, when they push him over, he doesnt fight at all. Also, there is no blood squirting or even dripping from the newly severed head. I read alot about the Nick Berg video, and many skeptics say that there HAS to be blood dripping from the head if indeed he was alive just seconds before.

If anyone has seen the video, please comment and give your opinion.

Sorry if I caused any trouble with my first post.



-Nick

[edit on 23-6-2004 by Nick350]




posted on Jun, 23 2004 @ 10:05 PM
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It is not that they do not want you to see the video, the site that you link to has porn all over the front page. We have a vast range of users here, some are under 18, or whatever the age may be in other countries to view porn. It is something that is not condoned by ATS. Their are a plethera of sites hosting the video. The Berg video was ready available through NEIN and my site. Another thing is that the S. Korean Government is pulling any links or sites(not confirmed yet) that post any images of Kim, so leagalities are(might) come into play.

As far as the video goes, I'm holding my comments until I can further analyze the video. their is a 4 min gap between Kim pleading for his life and when they start reading their Letter. the gap is on the video camera that is used not the actual Media player, it starts at about 1:25 on the media player.



posted on Jun, 23 2004 @ 10:13 PM
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Thanks for the reply.

Now I understand why they dont want those links up. I myself am 17, but I dont look at porn on those sites anyways. Some of the time, there is actually good videos in the mess of porn and other stuff.

Didnt you notice how he never moves after the 4 minute gap?

strange..



posted on Jun, 23 2004 @ 10:19 PM
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I do not see any movement from him from when they start the letter until they grab him. I would advise viewing it in an editing program. I can not speculate as to why this appears this way. The Three Videos have alot in common, just needs to be put under a magnifying glass.



posted on Jun, 23 2004 @ 10:26 PM
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I wouldnt know what to look for in an editing program. I have a very expensive program, but I dont know where to start.

I have not seen the Paul Johnson video, have you?

-Nick



posted on Jun, 23 2004 @ 10:38 PM
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Here the Korean beheading video.

Maybe he passed out when they pushed him over. Weirder things have happened, like the time when I passed out after getting punched on the head. That was the first time I was punched too. This was back when I was 14. The punch wasn't even that hard, yet I imagined it to look a lot worse.

Various forms of hypnosis, or intense trance also confirm this.

Edited Yet again due to the porn content available on this site...

PLEASE PEOPLE STOP LINKING TO PORN RELATED SITES...

OzChris

[edit on 23-6-2004 by OzChris]



posted on Jun, 23 2004 @ 11:51 PM
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Would someone U2U me with the sites offering this video?

I went to the one site, which the Koreans were stated as hacking earlier today, although the offer the video, media player insists I don't have an internet connection.

I havent been able to locate it on an internet search, and YES, I am over 18! (Nick350 I sent you a U2U requesting the info).

Thanks!



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 01:51 AM
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I also tried, and was only able to play about two seconds of it. I have stated elsewhere that I seriously doubt that we will be allowed to examine the video. Remember this is the same group that killed Nick Berg and you know what a screw-up that was. They got burned pretty bad when people started looking a little to closely at the video.

Nobody wants us to take a close look at the "arabs" - how they stand, how they are dressed, how they move or fidget around, how they sound. The last time, arabic speakers pointed out that the Berg killer didn't even have the right accent. Is it so puzzling, then, that there is no audio?

This is the same military intelligence unit that killed Berg for a photo-op. If it was genuine they'd let us see it.



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 02:15 AM
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Originally posted by Strider
This is the same military intelligence unit that killed Berg for a photo-op. If it was genuine they'd let us see it.


Must be genuine, then, because I've seen it from start to finish.
Don't worry, it's out there if you really want to see it.



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 02:33 AM
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Thanks, Banshee. I've gone back to the Ogrish site with a resumable downloader and it looks like I'm going to get 1.87 megs this time. Hope this will do it. That only leaves the original video in which the "terrorists" gave their damands. Can't determine that it was posted anywhere. Anyone know?



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 06:51 AM
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Originally posted by Strider
Thanks, Banshee. I've gone back to the Ogrish site with a resumable downloader and it looks like I'm going to get 1.87 megs this time. Hope this will do it. That only leaves the original video in which the "terrorists" gave their damands. Can't determine that it was posted anywhere. Anyone know?


Ogrish has it.



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 07:33 AM
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[EDIT]: If you follow these directions you won't see the porn on their home page. If this still is unallowable by the mods, accept my apologies.

The actual file is here. Right-click with the mouse and choose Save As to save the file to your hard drive.

Warning: Graphic Content
Short version: (539KB) www.ogrish.com...
Long version: (1.87 MB) www.ogrish.com...

[edit on 6/24/2004 by titian]

[edit on 24-6-2004 by Banshee]



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 11:19 AM
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Ok, I've tried watching this with media player and real player.

Media player states I don't have an internet connection, and real player only plays 6 seconds of either the long or short versions after downloading to my hardrive.

Anyone else having this same problem?



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 01:10 PM
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The long version worked for me. I saved it to my hard drive first. Do you have the latest version of Window's Media Player? That is what I'm using. Horrible to watch....



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 01:24 PM
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I finally was able to watch this. The video jumps approximately 4 minutes between Kim's speech and the sermon by the execution team. I too noticed no movement during the sermon, no perceptible breathing, no sounds, nothing. I did notice what appeared to be a slight gasp or scream when Kim was knocked down. It looks like the time is approximately 8:21:51 and sounds like an "Oh yeah" with emphasis placed on the drawn out syllable of "yeah". I noted what appeared to be some blood dripping once they held the head up, but it's hard to discern as some tissue appears to have been ripped off the torso and left attached to the head.

Overall, another gruesome video. I still can't get over the light-skinned hands.



posted on Jun, 24 2004 @ 01:31 PM
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WARNING
Files Contain Extreme Graphic Content
WARNING


titian- The above should be added, or something like that I guess.

[edit on 24-6-2004 by Hoaks]



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 09:23 AM
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I saw this thread come up on Google -- so I registered. If people want to see the beheading video -- it's here, but there's no links to porn, and the terrorist message stripped out -- and replaced with the American (and Korean flag for Kim. There's no downloading -- only gif files. Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg, Paul Johnson and Kim Sun.

Somebody out there knows the terrorist leaders... I'm sure they'll be surfing around to see what people have to say. Please pass my words to them.

I want my message to reach them... I would beg this of them, if I knew where any of them are.

www.patriotica.org...
(Contains the gif video of the beheadings).

[...]excerpt:
You are an American, so of course you don't understand. You get all your
information from the evening news, therefore, you can explain nothing. But
you can start learning today...

Americans for Middle East Understanding
www.ameu.org...

Understanding the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
www.is-pal.net...

More Sites on Google under
"understanding+the+palestinian+conflict"

You are an American, and therefore you know very little, about a lot of
things.



A Much-Needed Wake Up Call to Palestinians

"The pen is mightier than the sword."
~Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton

We are living in a new era where communications are available, without
censorship to all people via the internet. This is one of the great gifts of
the American forefathers, who believed in the freedom of speech and rights
of all man.

Some years ago, the Palestinian victims in the Mideast had no voice to speak through the mass media for them. Nothing existed to bring attention to their plight or for their interests and to tell the truth of the injustices that
have been done against Muslims... and if people know of those injustices,
people around the world can begin to care and change things. We are no
longer living in those days where silence is to blame for ignorance. Today
it is possible to reach the world, without censorship.

I plead to the terrorists in the Middle East to stop the senseless killings.
These actions will change nothing for the people of the mideast. I speak the truth to say that no man anywhere on the earth wants terrorists to have power. Please stop the killings.

There are better ways to express to the world the reality of the
hopelessness, desperation and anger which the people of the mideast have felt for decades, than killing non-Muslims.

The internet provides free space to place pages on the web -- to tell all
the stories of injustices against the Muslim people. Many websites exist
already which will publish the stories and photographs. The media can not
and will not stop this flow of information. The truth will be known. As
Gandhi taught us to do, defiance through non-violence, and people will
listen to you. You have been more than successful at getting the attention
of the world, but do you want negative attention and hatred of people? I am an American and I will provide a place for stories of injustices which has
taken place in the Middle East -- if a Muslim cannot do it for themself.
Only email it to me.

I beg of the terrorists, to stop the killing.



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