Child Hunger, As Seen At Wal-Mart

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posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 01:43 AM
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how do you know people on benefits don't plant seeds? how do you know they don't have a small garden and it only provides a small amount of what they need during a year? you can only grow vegtables you cannot grow baby milk, toothpaste or a whole range of products needed to survive and to maintain you apperence so you have a chance of finding work again. it would be ideal if they all owned their own cattle to and chicken coops etc, but these things just are not possible in a city, especially if you live in a flat/apartment with no garden or if you rent a property that requires you do not change the garden in anyway ie: you have a landlord who would not be to pleased you just turned their back garden in to a farm.

whilst i agree you can live with out TV, are you really going to take away all the other tools people need to find work? if they have no means of contact how can they phone for that job they just saw advertised instantly to increase their chance at being given an interview before the job goes.

some people don't live in reality, they moan they have not got a job then moan when they have thing they need to find one.

"boss a malnourished man wearing rags with bad breath and b.o. just came in for the position we are advertising, shell i send him through?"




posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 01:55 AM
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Why do I keep reading rebuttals of "oh how is the mother supposed to take care of her kids?" What I want to know is why does she have kids? Why is ingrained in everyone's heads that they should have kids? Ever heard of birth control? I am a male and had plenty of poon in my day. I made sure I took precautions so I didn't get them pregnant. Even if they pregnant there's abortion. Before all the hipsters come out crying ask yourself what's worse? Abortion at early term or a future gang banger that might hit you with a drive by cause they didn't use Google maps...Seriously folks what's the solution? And don't involve tax payer money...That's right no solution...So what? We just going to deal with gang bangers and crime cause you feel bad about abortion? Ask the mother that had her 8 year old killed in a drive by if she feels bad.

Oh and to the poster that feels their benefits are none of our business...That's my tax money so yeah its our business...



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 02:02 AM
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While I am no longer in this situation, some of these posts are very insulting to some one who has been there.You should be ashamed of your self, because you have no idea how easily it could happen to you.
Yes there are women out there who give women like me a bad name but what to you expect in a society that encourages women to to be sluts.
When I look back I realize there wasn't a d@mn thing i could have done different because I couldn't control other people.

In my case and many others we made all the right choices in life yet things happened beyond our control All 3 of my children had the same father whom I was married to. I couldn't control the choices he made that left me with 3 kids and no money. Welfare paid me a whopping $555 a month and $400 in food stamps. Thank goodness for WIC. yes WIC is a wonderful program. You can't by formula with food stamps, and it teaches you about healthy eating.

While in today's economy it probably wouldn't have made a difference, but the #1 thing that would have made a difference for me was DAYCARE! You can't tell a mother with kids to go get a minimum wage job because daycare costs more than you can make on minimum wage. Until my kids were old enough to go to school I was screwed.

This has not been my life for many years, thank goodness but I dare any of you who have anything negative to say to spend one lousy week in my shoes and see if you could have done better. I almost guarantee you would have mentally fallen about before you had a chance to even try.
I have never been able to figure out where some of there people on welfare get the money they do to buy some of the things the have let alone own things like a t.v. that should have been pawned along time ago.

There are some excellent mothers out there on welfare just because they are poor doesn't mean they are crappy parents. Things happen to good people even the ones who do all the right things and make all the right choices, because you can't control the actions of other. So seriously some of you need to wake the heck up and stop living in your little fantasy world that the only reason you aren't struggling or on welfare is because you did something right.


edit on 24-9-2010 by calstorm because: edited for gramar since I wrote it in anger, and wasn't paying attention.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 02:05 AM
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I am sorry that so many feel that they are qualified to speak about things they have never experienced themselves.

I will say that KARMA is a cold reckoner. I have seen quite a few "must be nice" folks filing bankruptcy or defaulting on their mortgages this year. And with food stamps being sought by such an astonishing number of people lately, i'd wager that a good many are now eating their words...God knows that there is little else to eat when your feeding yourself on $4.50 a day.

www.takepart.com...

People would do well to remember that they are not above misfortune and that it could VERY easily be them looking in from the other side of the _



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 02:47 AM
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you really do have you head up your own.... So using your logic every kid that is supported by food stamps or free or reduced meals at school is going to be a gang banger, or turn around and be a drain on the system. I have news for you its how they are raised that determines how they will turn out later in life not if there parents was on hard times and reluctantly accepted food stamps.

Using your logic every parent that uses WIC to help provide very basic nutrition for their child, that said child will become a gang banger. Get real!

And with the shear amount of money that the government pays out on a daily basis and the smaller amount of money the government receives via taxes the illusion that your tax dollars buys their food is BS!

Do yourself a favor and just sit down shut up and be happy your fortunate enough to not have to rely on food stamps to try and put food on the table for your family. Because one day it very well could be you with your hand out begging for help and there will be someone just like with the same exact attitude that will look down on you and spit in your face and generalize you just like your doing to the less fortunate people now.

And just because these people are getting benefits from "your tax dollars" does not give you the right to say what they can or cannot spend those benefits on as long as it is being used to put food on their tables!

most people that are on food stamps already have a hard enough time making ends meet. they don't need the added stress from a jackass like you making it worse!

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posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 06:10 AM
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This may sound really mean but I have no sympathy for people on food stamps, they eat better than most people do. I have worked at Publix and Winn-Dixie and honestly those with food stamps annoyed me the most. They are always the ones to complain when they can't get something with their food stamp card. I'm not eating steak and crab legs so why should someone on government assistance be able to? When my mom was on food stamps half the things now you can get weren't available on food stamps back then. You use to only be able to get certain things now you can get pretty much anything unless it's prepared and believe me I have had people curse me out cause they couldn't use their food stamps to buy a sub. The ones who came in clad in gold and designer duds and drove fancy cars annoyed me most and were always the rudest. If you can afford all that then you don't need food stamps.

These people need to budget their money for the month or stop selling their cards for cash which is a HUGE problem all over. I see it often and it sickens me. Also formula is usually purchased with WIC not food stamps. I know quite a few people who get food stamps and I can't figure out why for the life of me when they don't need them. Food stamps and assistance should only be for those who really truly need it and there should be a time limit on how long you can have them.

A friend of mine has been on them for more than 5 years. She gets 600+ dollars a month! She makes $12 bucks an hour and her husband also works and makes about $15 at his security job and he gets money from the military for being in the reserves. They have PLENTY of money for food and it sickens me that they still get food stamps when there are people out there who really need it. They go shopping and buy new phones every time the latest tech toy comes out or he will buy a new gun whenever he wants. I know of one time they had their water shut off because they "played" instead of payed. No sympathy there...Now if you can afford those items you don't need food stamps! The system is messed up and needs to be restructured imo. There are too many people taking advantage of the system and then there are those who really need it that get denied because others are abusing it. People tell me all the time to get food stamps because I am a full time student and I qualify but I don't want them or need them. I can support myself just fine and I don't make as much money as people think. I have a roof over my head and I am fed. I don't eat lavish meals but I don't need to, I get the basics. I know someone else out there needs them more..



Everyone I know that has food stamps doesn't need them and I let them know my stance on it all the time and they just don't care. They say "oh it's free money," no it's not, someone is paying for that with their taxes.


As for Wal Mart, well maybe they shouldn't throw away so much food and donate it to the needy. Canned items and chips even with an expiration date are still good. I have eaten many outdated items like that and I didn't get sick and I'm still here. There is too much food wasted in these stores, I have seen it. I will say the Publix where I worked would take the out dated chips and items that weren't things like meat to the shelters. Why can't more stores do this? Instead they toss it! I saw a youtube video I think on ATS of people who get food from the dumpsters behind grocery stores and the amount of food they throw away is disgusting and it's perfectly fine. I always feel bad when I throw away food even at a restaurant. I have given left over to those who need food many times.

Where I use to live had a large homeless population in one area and anything I had left over or when I cleaned my cupboards out I would take to them. Believe me it made their day and they were quite happy with what I would give them. If you want to help those who have no food or even need baby formula there are many places you can drop items off like this where people will be able to come and pick it up, even diapers are needed. I had a lady steal a pack of diapers when I worked overnight at a CVS and I felt bad for her. If she had told me I would have had no problem buying her diapers, instead she stole the item. She told the cop she had no money and couldn't get assistance. The store didn't press charges and the manager referred her to a place where she could get formula and diapers for her baby. People shouldn't have to steal cause others are abusing the system.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 06:16 AM
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Child hunger is shocking, but even more shocking is that a lot of people who could help don't.

I do my little bit to alleviate child hunger - do you?



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 06:42 AM
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I can answer two questions from two different posts, so have combined them here:

First, yes you can get formula on WIC. And cheese (natural not Velveeta type), tuna, carrots, breakfast cereal (within the guidelines of complete nutrition. This was the hardest one to learn because while Cheerios may be on the list, Apple-Cinnamon Cheerios may not), real juice, and milk, and I think beans. Also eggs and peanut butter. I'm not certain about bread, but that might be included now. You are allowed the amount needed to sustain your children (and yourself) for a month. And you are given vouchers for each item, so you can't just get 80 cans of tuna or whatever. It's not a varied diet perhaps, but it is nutritionally complete.

Second, you can get food seeds on Food Stamps. And live food plants. This one goes unclaimed because very few grocery stores (as opposed to superstores) carry seeds and plants.

Mind you I have not worked for the past 4 years (I have a chronic pain disorder, but do not receive SSI), but I was a cashier trainer for several years.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 07:06 AM
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There's going to be abuses in any area that has to do with money. We know this is true from the top of the power scale to the bottom. Money given for food stamps will sometimes go to the casino, and sometimes buy a six pack of beer or a pack of cigarettes. There are even stores that will pay cash for food stamps. For example, you give them $20. worth of stamps, they give you $15. in cash.

Because some do abuse the system, we should consequently discount the majority of families that try hard to get through the month, planning carefully with the occasional "splurge" .

And because a parent might make a bad decision, the children should go without food.

You are repeating the examples you have heard about to defend your own stance.

Poverty is not a crime. Children should not be punished to go without food in a nation which has an abundance of food, because their parents are poor.

Believe it or not, people who are found to abuse public assistance, particularly food stamps (I'll call them that although now they have been replaced with debit cards to reduce stigma and humiliation from people who complain about "being in line in the grocery store" behind these disgusting individuals) ---- but the people who abuse the system are prosecuted every day.

It's fraud, and they can go to jail for it, and do. So for those of you who complain, put your precious money where your mouth is. IF you know for a FACT that someone is abusing these funds, then REPORT them.
It WILL be investigated, and if it is true, the person will be prosecuted for FRAUD. Public agencies have a "fraud hot-line" for this purpose.

When I get into a conversation like this.....and someone asks me "yeah, but what about all the people who drive up to the food stamp office in a BMW, and have plasma televisions?"

I'm all over that. I will whip out my cell phone. "let's call and report them, now". Who are these people? They should be in jail. I'll get the food stamp fraud office on the line ---- and then you can give them the information".

Yeah, you guessed it. Crickets. They don't really know of anybody, they are just repeating rumors to support what they choose to believe whether it's true or not. It somehow justifies their greed and feelings of superiority.

And the stores that give cash for food stamps? The police investigate those claims, and I've seen those stores seized and shut down by law enforcement.

So if you know these type things are going on, then do something about it. Report it. And if you can't prove anything, then don't perpetuate rumors. Poverty is difficult enough without to having to endure rumors and insults, don't you think?



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 07:19 AM
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Why not recieve SSDI? You paid for it, it's not like you are bilking anyone. If you cannot work due to illness you really should apply. It sounds like you are getting by now but what if things change? what could you fall back on? I bring this up because it usually takes around 2 years for your application to be approved. A lot could change between now and 2012.
I admire your attitude of not taking while you think you don't need it but again, you paid in to it, the money is yours.
I had to file for foodstamps long ago while my wife and I had 2 young children. I was embarrassed to use them but grateful all the same.
I also have a hard time watching people use food stamps who drive away in new SUV's while wearing new clothes, shoes and jewelry. Before I got help I sold everything of value I owned. I don't really expect everyone to do that but it would be good if only the people who truly needed help applied.
Those who abuse the system and scam their way through life deserve a swift kick in the rear.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 07:50 AM
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In fairness, I don't all feel food stamp fraud is wrong to the same degree. I've seen instances where someone has budgeted their food stamp allowance well enough to sacrifiice a portion in exchange for the hard cash to pay for another necessity. Keeping the kids fed, a roof over their head, , their backs clothed, their feet shod, and the juice on by trading food stamps dollar for dollar with a wealthier friend or family member is technically the same wrong as selling them for seventy cents on the dollar. I just don't think it's as wrong. Like the difference between stealing a loaf of bread and a bottle of liquor. I find one easier to forgive.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 07:57 AM
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My family doesn't make much - but we are way above the level of any qualifying for any assistance for anything.

I would not want them to limit families to off brands only. I don't buy off brands - I use coupons and buy name brands cheaper.

So much of this is education. I would so love to teach some of these folks to use coupons. I always take my diaper coupons and put them in front of the diapers. I don't have a baby but maybe someone else can benefit.

I rarely ever see someone on food stamps using coupons. If they only would, they could stretch that money at least by a fourth or a third.

Home economics is so important. It's not taught in schools anymore, is it? Aren't we all into science and math now? I'm teaching my son.

Sometimes I think, if I could JUST get the budget for groceries that folks on food stamps do, lol. I'm lucky to get 250 a month - for everything - food and household supplies both. I think they get 280 for just food?

We do fine though - I know how to stockpile, can and dry, coupon, rebate, freeze, and cook from scratch.
If these folks only could - or would - do that.

Still, I don't know their situations! They may not have room, or a freezer. I ran into one young lady in the library who's water was cut off. Her parents didn't have the money to help so they were bringing over jugs until someone got some money. I don't know why they weren't just living together.

Extended family living would help a lot right now too, but alas, that is not the American way.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 09:55 AM
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No, I won't "just stfu" .. food stamps should be a last resort as an emergency. If you're truly that hungry that the State needs to feed you, you can go with out luxury items (potato chips, name brands etc are LUXURY items, I promise you won't die with out them.....)

They should be for food to keep you alive.. anything besides that is abusing the system.

If the shoes were reversed id only be accepting help from the State as a last resort, not a first, id be grateful enough for some bread and a can of spam.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 09:56 AM
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What gripes me even more, is that the CHURCH's in our country are building bigger, more expensive, millions of dollar buildings... only to give a portion to help the needy.

That's my biggest problem with religion! If you care, then do something worthwhile with all the money you collect from your congregations... Until all the hungry are fed, then how dare you build a mammoth structure???



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 10:27 AM
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Wow, the attitudes of some on here are just totally outrageous.

We all know there are those out there that abuse the system, but as on poster put it, they are a minority. Those of you who are badmouthing poor folks, how much do you give to charity? I am not talking about the church, but actually charities that do something. How much do you donate to the local food bank?

I do taxes for a living, and I see very few people donating to charity, and the ones that do give to the church which is absolutely worthless, unless of course you are a pastor wanting a new rolex.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 10:55 AM
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when my tax money is buying your dumb ass a steak while I eat noodles, expect a dirty look and if you've got the strength and energy to "knock him on his ass" you need to get a job you parasite.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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Your idea for not allowing junk food to be purchased with food stamps would be a really good start! With all the false advertising on food products - such as calling sugar water juice, etc. I thought perhaps an educational program in smart buying should be required for those on food stamps - perhaps a 2 hour class and booklet given out about nutrition when they are first accepted into the program - what do you think?



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posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by Mercenary2007

so again ask yourself can you feed you and your family on $526 a month and put food on the table every day and not run short on money to buy food or run short of food before the end of the month?

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Although I agree with almost everything you said in your post, I think $526 is more than enough to feed an average family a month. I average about $90/week for my family. The trick is to avoid the convenience foods. You can get 10lbs of potatos for $1.50 if you watch the sales, 3 lbs of hamburger for less than $7, and peas, beans and carrots, all enough for a meal for under $1. Those items alone can get you 2 family meals for no more than $5. You have to work a bit harder and study the store flyers,

I also order coupons online and free samples on line. Clip all coupons that come to my house and try to only shop sales. You also have to eat leftovers, and leave fast food alone.

We are not poor by any means. My husband words full-time at a good job and I work part-time. We had to learn to live like this when the kids came along and we had huge debt and one income. We have chosen to continue being grocery smart to build up our savings and put away money for our children.

What irks me to some degree is welfare moms loading up with frozen pizzas, frozen dinners, pogo sticks, cookies, chips and pop. They are so expensive and so unhealthy. I often wish I could take the mom aside and tell her how I do it. Somehow I don't think I would get a good reaction lol

As to the people waiting to buy formula at midnight - that breaks my heart - however breast milk is free. We really need to start educating, educating, educating.

For anyone who is interested in $5 dinners, this woman is my hero!

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posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:06 PM
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The people who make such poor decisions are usually not educated on basic economics and nutrition. You can thank the dumbed down public school system for a lot of that.





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