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Child Hunger, As Seen At Wal-Mart

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posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 09:06 PM
This is, of course, sad stuff. More people than ever are living paycheck to paycheck, but the fact that people are calculating the time to the minute to buy even the most basic staples (such as baby forumula) shows how desperate things have become for many.

My heart goes out to all children who are not getting the basics amid the grim economic miasma.

Why would somebody buy baby formula at midnight?

Bill Simon, the head of Wal-Mart's U.S. operations, answered this question in a talk last week:

"And you need not go further than one of our stores on midnight at the end of the month. And it's real interesting to watch, about 11 p.m., customers start to come in and shop, fill their grocery basket with basic items, baby formula, milk, bread, eggs, and continue to shop and mill about the store until midnight, when ... government electronic benefits cards get activated and then the checkout starts and occurs. And our sales for those first few hours on the first of the month are substantially and significantly higher.

"And if you really think about it, the only reason somebody gets out in the middle of the night and buys baby formula is that they need it, and they've been waiting for it. Otherwise, we are open 24 hours — come at 5 a.m., come at 7 a.m., come at 10 a.m. But if you are there at midnight, you are there for a reason."

What Wal-Mart calls the "paycheck cycle" has recently been "extreme," Simon said, with lots of shoppers at the beginning of the month and fewer at the end. Wal-Mart is also seeing an "ever-increasing amount of transactions being paid for with government assistance," he said.

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posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 09:11 PM
This is very sad indeed. Food pantries no longer have food either, and what they do give out is usually expired. I cant even imagine how much worse this is going to get. Thank you for bringing it to others attention, amidst all of the other subjects, this one also needs to be seen.

Peace, NRE.

posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 09:34 PM
Yep, I have recognized such patterns. But I didn't realize it was to this extreme. This is sad to me.

Like at the beginning of the month, lots of older people are filling up the aisles in grocery stores to buy a months worth of staples to get them through until the next social security check arrives.

I follow a different pattern, though. One of my daughters works at a chain grocery store. She is privy to what will be on sale the next week, and I shop accordingly.

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posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 09:41 PM
If Wal-mart had stuck with Sam Walton's original "Buy American" motto, some of those people might be paying for their purchases with a paycheck. Corporate America won't actually be concerned until the profit margin is lowered when the food stamp fund runs dry. Doesn't matter where the money comes from as long as the cash still flows.

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posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 09:49 PM
I have worked many positions in a large grocery chain and I've seen all kinds of things. There is another side to this, that people don't realize if they are not exposed to it large scale.
People wait for their benefits to get turned on, not because they are not getting enough, but because they are not wise with their use of those benefits during the rest of the month. I've seen people buying only chips and pop with food stamps. I"ve seen people with food stamps buying steaks for the family reuniion....several "family-pack" sized NY Strips. I've seen people using foodstamps to get junk food, and then cash to pay for cigarettes, beer and other alcohol, all kinds of other expensive crap. While not all foodstamp customers did this, it did happen in my checkout line at least once a day. And in everyone's lane every day.
WIC is better.....there is a list of what you can get, down to brand and size.
People who are struggling put milk and baby food back to get their beer and cigarettes. This is not the Gov's doing, it's their own choices. When they make bad choices during the rest of the month, running to buy formula like stated in the article is a given. You get kind of hard-hearted about it all after a while. Sure you feel for the kids, but the current FS program isn't for the kids. If it was, it would be used for proper nutrition and nothing else.
Unfortunately, the adults are in the situation where they can get pretty much everything they want.
And try to stop them? What a backlash that would be. The adults need to learn what they should get. One store I worked in had an entire milk case filled with "juice". But it wasn't juice, it was no better than cheap and lazy kool-aid. Orange juice was the one colored orange. No nutritional value at all, but that was what they meant when they said "juice". And that's what they bought with food stamps.
Get real. People will make decisions that are bad. It's not the programs fault, or the gov, or society's. It's the fault of the people given the benefits who shop badly. I feel no pity for them at all. You learn to feel contempt.

posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 09:58 PM
I am not sure what is more sad...The woman who cant afford to take care of her children...Or the tax payer that has to pay for her because of her irresponsible love life? I dont feel bad for single mothers with 4 kids who live on benifits...I wish I could sit at home and not have to go to work every single day. And dont give me the oh its hard to find a job out there etc...IT SURE IS!!!!! IF YOUR A HIGH SCHOOL DROP OUT!!!!!!! It sure is...But if you applied yourself your whole life and took what you learned from each job you become viable...

I have been laid off twice in two years...And found two more jobs in two years...Now I have a great job. My wife actually quit her job and found a much better one with great pay and benifits...Combined we make about 70k+ a year, own our home and our two cars...Do we have kids? No...Could we easily afford them? Yes...I dont understand why I see almost everyday a single mother with 3-4 kids thats walking no less...No car...I can only imagine the place they call a home...

Do you guys realize that this is the cause of crime and gangs in the city? What are those kids going to do when they grow up? They sure are not going to graduate from high school if they even reach high school. Everyone feels bad for the kids etc...Why doesnt any one berate the mothers and fathers? After they created the mess... Please stop feeling sorry for these irresponsible people and lets start a petition for responsible parenthood...

posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 10:42 PM
I totally agree that all food stamps should be in line with the WIC voucher program, but I doubt that benefit recipients have that much input into which foods are eligible. I suspect that powerful lobbyists have a bit more influence when it comes to keeping low cost, high profit foods available in the welfare program. I find it confusing that the government subsidizes many of the foods in the WIC program. We can't figure out a system to, in effect, purchase these foods while granting subsidies? I realize some food is distributed, but I doubt it's equal to the amount of subsidies. I'm aware that the economic complexities of the subsidy are beyond my grasp, as I'm only familiar with those that people get for not growing tobacco. What gives?

posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 11:00 PM
I too know that a lot of people are not making wise choices with their food stamps at the grocery - I wish they would, but what do we do about the baby that doesn't have formula, the kids that don't have food to eat at the end of the month? How can the system be changed to make sure the children don't suffer because of neglectful parents. Not having a baby I am not aware if formula can be given out by WIC at any time it is needed, please tell me it is - the children should not have to suffer because they are born to irresponsible parents. Very sad!!

posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 11:00 PM
thats really sad and you know whats worse? that happens in every corner of this planet, and it is much tough outside the US

this really makes you think, where do organizations put all the money they profit it

its just amazing what this world has become

if you study history, it seems that nothing changed, and the society not only didnt evolve, but got worse

lets hope this is all just a bad dream

posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 11:03 PM
reply to post by silent thunder

I believe it.. the other 1st of the month thing were I grew up was the farms would pay out at the first Friday usually.. the joke being don't go to Wal Mart on the first Friday unless you spoke Spanish.

One thing I have personally noticed since the onset of the crisis is that I can rarely go to the store anymore without getting stuck behind SOMEONE with food stamps.. god awful process. I feel bad for them just because it takes so long everyone's waiting and you know they are all thinking the same thing.. unless they are lucky enough to get one of those fancy Government debit type cards.

And it used to be the trashiest people would go through with the food stamps, now it seems like it's typically normal everyday peoples.

posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 11:07 PM
reply to post by crazydaisy

If a baby needs formula: Breast feed.

Children if the family is truly impoverished would be eating better than their parents anyways, since they get 2 free meals (breakfast and lunch) at school.

The only way I can see to help fix the system (and that I would favor expanding on) would be a item limitation .. if you get food stamps you should only be allowed to buy off-brand items, unless there is no alternative. You should only be allowed to buy foods that are purposefully for meals, no snacks like potato chips or sugary drinks or other garbage. The Government should also provide easy cheap healthy recipes to families that receive the assistance.

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posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:13 AM
I have paranoid schizophrenia and I get food stamps. Unfortunetly I didn't get to finish school as I became ill at age 16. I try to spend my food stamps resonsibly. If I eat ham sandwiches and raymon noobles they might last all month. Most months I fall short by the last week and thats not from wasting money either. I buy a package of chicken maybe once a month. I only buy potato chips when there on sale buy one get one. Some months they last all month but thats if I eat out alot. My parents take me out to dinner frequently and stuff like that.

One month I had some extra at the end and figured I'd treat myself to a steak since they were on sale. The guy at the cash register got nasty when he saw the food stamp card. He was mumbleing under his breath and said "it must me nice". Little did he know it was my birthday. Not only that it was the first steak I had bought in a year.

The other day I went to the groecery store and there was a buisness man standing behind me in line. I bought some bbq sauce and veggies because I was gonna grill some chicken. His deminer totaly changed when he saw me get out the brigde card. He snickerd and said "yeah right". Then as he walked by me he brushed into me. He's luckey he didn't get knocked on his ass for that.

I latter watched him watch me get into a brand new Ford F350 as I smiled. Which is my fathers truck by the way I don't own a vehicle.

Poeple are quick to jump to conclusions before they know the facts. I would be willing to bet only a select few actually abuse the system. The fact is you don't know what someone elses situation is. The world would be a better place if people minded there own buisness.

posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:29 AM
reply to post by stars15k

When I had food stamps last year, I had nothing. I was able to take care of the food part so that I could focus other meager resources on finding work by paying for gas and keeping a roof over my head.

On the other hand, I know a woman with 3 children who sells her food stamps to get money for her gambling addiction. She literally starves her girls just so she can live an arrogant lifestyle. Where's CPS to help those children?

posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:31 AM
reply to post by Rockpuck

Wouldn't recommend breast feeding if the mother smokes or drinks, which is often the case where I live. I can't think of many women who DON'T smoke and also have kids.

posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:31 AM
Yep, I've been on foodstamps when needed. And I did the majority of my shopping the first of the month to save gas money.

But I got dirty looks once when I was buying cake mix, ice cream, and frosting. It was my little girls 2nd birthday. If the ones looking down on me and judging would have only thought about how hard it would be to not give your child a birthday was worth the dirty looks.

I understand the problem food stamps cause. It is simply a government subsidy on food. If all food was paid for with cash, food prices would be different for sure.

But in my state they give you way too much if you have kids, and almost nothing if you are elderly on social security. Sad.

posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:45 AM
reply to post by wantsome

exactly, but it will never stop, people always like to presume and always paint everyone with the same brush when they hear about a story where people milked the system, they hear a few stories about a handful of people then presume anyone on benefits must be the same, that they must be rolling in it and cannot be bothered to work and they must be bad parents as though someone losing their job was planned and it is their fault their children need handouts therefore they are bad parents. but for the most part people just like to moan about anyone getting something they are not getting.

i had someone moaning to me not long ago about children whos parents are on benefits getting free milk at school, so i agreed with her and said they should stop all benefits because they are always unfair to somebody, especially child benefit, why should a working man with no kids pay for everbody elses? she soon went silent realising that was a benefit she was getting because she has kids.

to the op, things will get a lot worse yet, i think some people are really going to have to rely on other peoples generosity in order to survive soon, prices rising, fuel bills going up, cuts, more and more people losing their jobs, banks lending less etc etc, i doubt the women buying milk did not budget properly, things are just getting more expensive therefore money does not buy what it use to so you run out quicker.

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posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:54 AM
you know i think its funny all the people that have posted in this thread saying people on food stamps should be limited on what they can buy (IE off brand vs name brand) or the amounts of certain items they can buy or items that they shouldn't be aloud to buy at all (IE potato chips) When the simple fact of the matter is if the shoe was reversed and you were the one drawing food stamps you'd be pretty pissed if someone was saying oh since your drawing food stamps you can't buy this, you can only buy so many of these and you can only buy off brand not name brand. Honestly JUST STFU

Not everyone that draws food stamps abuses the system, Not every one that draws them wants to draw them but only do so to put food on the table for their kids. you don't have the right to tell anyone what they should buy or not to buy and neither does the government.

Do people always buy what they should buy even if they are using money they earned? Hell no. But that is their choice!

Like Wantsome said Everyones situation for being on food stamps is different and you don't know their situation! Some people are eligible for foodstamps because like wantsome they are sick, or they have a disability. some are eligible because they got laid off from their job that they have had for years. some are eligible because they are a single parent and have trouble making ends met even with the best job they can get, or while they are going back to school so they can get a better job. and some are eligible because they are just lazy.

So lets look at foodstamps and welfare. excluding unemployment. i can only speak for the state of missouri. A friend of mine is a social worker for the state. i was curious so i asked her if i was to lose my job right now ( very real possibility) what i would be eligible for. I'm a family of 3.

so we'll take a family of 3.
if they make less than $1900 gross they are eligible for $526 in food stamps a month that equals $131.50 a week for food. and that $526 can only be spent on food! and only food that isn't bought hot at the store. (ie cooked meat from the deli like chicken tenders, rotisseri chicken etc.)

that $526 dollars is all they are eligibly for if they have any other kind of income.

now as for the actual walfare. a family of 3 with no income what so ever is eligible for $292 a month from the temporary cash assistance program. and upto $526 from the food stamps, the state has the option to lower your food stamp benefits if you draw cash assistance.

now that $292 can be spent on whatever you want. but its purpose is to be applied to bills and basic necessities ( ie laundry soap, bath soap, toothpaste, etc) $292 dollars a month doesn't really go that far.

now in the state of missouri if you draw food stamps and you have no other health insurance Children are automatically enrolled in medicaid. however adults are not. Adults can only get medicaid if their income is less than $300 a month. yes you read that right less than $300 a month. Unless your disabled or have a disease that keeps you from working. But if a family is drawing cash assistance which is $292 a month for that family of 3 then adults who are not disabled cannot be enrolled in medicaid.

also any family that the youngest child is over the age of 6 every adult in the family is required to report to the unemployment office and perfom assisted job searches until you find work.

So all you people bitching about people on food stamps being lazy or they should be limited on what they can buy really need to look at yourselves in a mirror and ask yourself could you support yourself and your family on what i've laid out here? granted eligibity is different from state to state but just use my examples here as an example for you.

also keep in mind that food prices are getting higher by the week it seems like even on those covetted off brands your screaming people on food stamps should be limited to buy.

so again ask yourself can you feed you and your family on $526 a month and put food on the table every day and not run short on money to buy food or run short of food before the end of the month?

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posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 01:03 AM
Here in Michigan they just figured out people were withdrawing there welfare funds from there Debit cards at the Casino in Detroit. $87000 of taxpayer money was withdrawn from Motor City Casino ATM Machines in a one year period,

posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 01:22 AM
During WW2 people planted Victory Gardens to help feed themselves.

Seeds are not expensive. If you are hungry get your lazy self outside and plant vegetables in every nook and cranny in your yard no matter how small a space you may have. Plant veggies in pots by a window if you have little room outside.

I plant 12 months out of the year.

Be a doer. Start a community garden. Most city governments will allow you to use city owned land to do this.

I'll bet you the poor hungry folks shopping at midnight have cable TV and cell phones.

I have no sympathy for those that don't lift a finger to provide for their needs. Why should they? Our government will feed them and provide free medical care.

posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 01:30 AM
reply to post by lifeform11
Yeah I agree not only do I deal with stereotypes at the grocery store I deal with them because of my illness. People find out I have schizophrenia and they more paranoid then me. You mention the word schizophrenia and poeple freak out. One thing I found out since I had this illness is 50% of the people in this world are more crazy then me and I'm the one that hears voices. I fear them more then they fear me.

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