Chanting U-S-A at football game makes Muslims feel bad according to IU professor

I'm sorry that most people who posted here didn't bother to look at the link in OP. The whole thing is a sham and a likely provocation, and it's not "professor" in the first place, so another falsehood there.

Relax. It's OK to chant USA.

Just a divisive, false troll-bait.

Originally posted by kimar

Originally posted by JonInMichigan

People aren’t chanting “Jesus”, they are chanting USA. What in the world does religion have to do with nationalism?

Many Americans, especially those on the right, actually believe that America is (or should be) at war with Islam. This is because they are under the false belief that Islam attacked America on 9/11. So when these people (and there are many of them) chant USA USA, they are doing so to support wars that have killed at least hundreds of thousands of innocent people, who are mainly members of the Islamic faith. What may just look like gung-ho fun patriotism is really, in some contexts, a cover for a darker sense of nationalism fueled by hate and ignorance.

Indeed, this is offensive.

Enough of this BS!

You say you're from canada. Enough said.

Not your issue. Talking about U.S. policies is starting to look like a deflection attempt.


This is EXACTLY how muslims get a bad name in this country. If the muslims were actually offended, I'll just come out and say it, "Go to hell!".

If it is just the rantings of some apologist/appeaser, then he's sure not doing muslims any favors and the "Go to hell!" is for him instead.

Originally posted by centurion1211
This is EXACTLY how muslims get a bad name in this country. If the muslims were actually offended, I'll just come out and say it, "Go to hell!".

If it is just the rantings of some apologist/appeaser, then he's sure not doing muslims any favors and the "Go to hell!" is for him instead.

Actually this is a VERY good point and perhaps deserves a thread on it's own.

The problem are the appeasers more than who they are appeasing, this is very true.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
I'm sorry that most people who posted here didn't bother to look at the link in OP. The whole thing is a sham and a likely provocation, and it's not "professor" in the first place, so another falsehood there.

Relax. It's OK to chant USA.

Just a divisive, false troll-bait.

Then what is an "academic professional"?

From the article:

The overwhelmingly white, privileged, Block-I students should be ashamed of their obnoxious, fake-macho, chicken-hawk chant, while poverty-drafted members of their cohort fight and die in illegal and immoral wars for the control of oil. University administrators need to eliminate from all events such “patriotic” observances, which in this country cannot be separated from implicit justifications for state-sponsored killing.

David Green,

University Academic Professional

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If you want to call it trolling, then "academic professional" David Green is the troll - and kimar is his little "troll-ette".

Originally posted by yeahright

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

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Apparently, he's a university librarian.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Well, the only good thing I can take away from that is that he's not actually in a position to "teach" those kinds of beliefs to young and impressionable college students.

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Out of curiosity, is there a link for that?

I tried searching the U of I directory for a David Green and turned up a handful. None were listed as either professor or librarian (one is a "Facilities and Service engineer", one a student, one in administration, and one doesn't have a job title listed).

Also, check out all the responses Green gets in the DI to his letter to the editor. IMO they're way better than what has been posted here - my own postings included.

Someone even posted the email addresses for all of Green's managers should anyone feel compelled to deal with this personally.

There is hope ...

Some more interesting commonalities between Muslims and typical Americans or American Christians.

They feel women are treated equally in the religion. (Even the women feel this way.)

Fully 69% of Muslim Americans say that the Islamic religion treats men and women
equally well. Only about a quarter of Muslims (23%) believe that Islam treats men better than
women. Notably, Muslim women are about as likely as men to say that Islam treats members of
both sexes equally well (71% of Muslim women vs. 66% of men).

They are happy in their communities and homes. And they are displeased with the direction the country is headed, although the general public is even more displeased than the Muslim population.

Like other Americans, Muslims are generally pleased with the communities in which they live. More than seven-in-10 rate their community as an “excellent” (28%) or “good” (44%) place to live. In the general population, 41% rate their communities as excellent, and 41% as good. Three-in-four Muslim immigrants (76%), compared with 65% of all native-born Muslims, rate their home communities as either “excellent” or “good” places to live.
Contentment with their lives and communities does not extend to their views about the country. Most Muslim
Americans (54%) say they are dissatisfied with the overall direction of the county – a critical view shared by an even larger proportion of the general public (61%).

They believe hard work pays off and most people can get ahead if they work hard. (American born, African-American Muslim converts believe the opposite!)

If anything, Muslim Americans are more likely than the
general public to believe that hard work is the path to success:
71% of Muslim Americans say that “most people who want to
get ahead can make it if they work hard.” A somewhat smaller
percentage of the general public (64%) agrees with this
statement.
Notably, African American Muslims are less convinced
than other U.S. Muslims – both native-born and immigrants –
that hard work brings success. Fewer than six-in-10 African
American Muslims (56%) agree with this principle,

They think of themselves as Muslims first and Americans second in general, but Christians responded almost exactly the same way. 47% Muslims said Muslim first, 42% of Christians said Christian first.

Asked whether they think of themselves
first as an American or first as a Muslim, a
47% plurality of U.S. Muslims say they
consider themselves Muslims first; 28% say
they think of themselves first as Americans. In
May 2006, when U.S. Christians were asked a
parallel question, 42% said they think of
themselves as Christians first.

Nobody likes suicide bombers.

Still, overwhelming
majorities of both groups reject suicide bombing as a
strategy, including 85% of those who identify primarily
as Americans and 79% who consider themselves
Muslims first.

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Notice the disclaimer, "apparently". One of the comments in the linked article listed him as such, and I'm also finding a few things around such as this article and a couple of other Googleable articles. Of course, I have no way to verify if they're all one and the same person, David Green isn't an uncommon name, but what I've found all points back to either the University of Illinois or the Champaign/Urbana area and most of it has a particular slant.

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Thanks for the response

The article you linked describes him as an "employee of the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign" but not a professor. I'm with you that it's probably the same guy, but I think people are reading his self-description as "Academic Professional" and assuming that means "professor". "Librarian" seems more plausible to me, so I thought I'd ask where you saw it. I admit I haven't read all the comments from the paper.

well, it makes anyone get a little confused at least

you are chanting for a country that sends troops to slaughter families in a religion war practically ...

but hey, nobody thinks that way, they prefer "we are killing terrorists"

Originally posted by centurion1211
Then what is an "academic professional"?

1211 Cent, you, too, fell for the bait! Come on now, you know better than that.

Academic professional can be any person employed in academia. Janitors included.

The whole thing is a provocation. I would love to meet a person who would forbid me
chanting "USA". There are times in life when I l-o-o-o-o-ve confrontation.

I'm a critic of my country but I love it still, and I like the sound of "USA".

More political correctness gone mad

What a useless study. Maybe some professor should come out and say chanting 'Allah Akbar' scares Americans. Political correctness gone mad no doubt.

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"Slaughtering" is what Saddam did to his own people when he gassed entire communities. It is what goes on in Somalia, and the Congo when warring tribes commit genocide and seek to destroy an entire culture of people by killing the men, women, and babies, and raping to destroy the bloodlines of anyone left alive.

"Slaughter" is not a inserting a small seal team into hostile territory under great risk to themselves to laser map the hostiles and the friendlies and then send a multi-million dollar weapon into a precise target to inflict minimal collateral damage while killing a handful of terrorists at great economic cost? Does collateral damage happen? Sure. Is it anywhere near what it was 50 or 60 or 100 years ago, or anywhere near what other countries are doing on a regular basis? Not by a long shot!!

The only people carrying out a "religious war" are the media and puppeteers. They love to plot oneside against the other and watch the ratings soar! Read the Research article that I linked to. Muslims don't hate America, and Muslims do not feel discriminated against in America. Everything on the news is dramatized for effect!

you all need to understand the idiot mindset at the University of Illinois (i live here, went to school there, it's sad...i know)

But this is only the tip of the ice berg from the so called "professors" at this University.

The University of Illinois has a very long track record of siding with the minority of people on any given subject. And there are many examples to use to demonstrate this.

I honestly don't give a damn if Muslims like it or not. If they don't like it, they can leave. No sweat off my back.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
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"Slaughtering" is what Saddam did to his own people when he gassed entire communities. It is what goes on in Somalia, and the Congo when warring tribes commit genocide and seek to destroy an entire culture of people by killing the men, women, and babies, and raping to destroy the bloodlines of anyone left alive.

This is the most superficial post I've seen in a while. Equating Saddam to Al Shabbab is so inane it makes my jaw drop. Are you for real?

Saddam was a largely secular semi-socialist nationalistic leader of a multi-ethnic country. He wanted to keep it whole, hence his fight with Kurd separatists etc (including the unfortunate use of gas). Somalia is a case of Quran-thumping hardcore islamo-nuts, which Saddam was clearly not with all the Scotch and Playboy collection he had.

And Congo is a completely different ballpark at every level.

You need to quickly sort out that soup that's formed in your head.

Originally posted by centurion1211


Enough of this BS!

You say you're from canada. Enough said.

Not your issue. Talking about U.S. policies is starting to look like a deflection attempt.

If I said anything factually incorrect, by all means correct me.

Ahhh, the old 'you aren't American, so you can't comment!' reply. I'll wager a hefty sum of money that you think America has a right to comment and take action on whatever happens anywhere. Free speech is free speech, my friend. This is 2010. We live in a globalized society where actions and beliefs are not subject to political boarders.

Trust me, I criticize Canada often when appropraite. Anybody anywhere has a right to do so.

The comments on this topic really show a disconnect with the reality in which we all live.

Of course there is nothing wrong with love of country and being able to express that all the time. This is not the issue. The issue is the fact that there are parts of Amerircan society that have hijacked certain elements of American patriotism and turned it into an expression of resentment towards other groups of people. This is dangerous.

i heard that suicide bombings also make people feel bad. maybe we can reach some kind of compromise here...