Gang of Lithuanian squatters 'snatch ANOTHER home while owner is out

I have been warned at work that gangs of immigrants rob our company vans occasionally when we're out on the job. I thankfully haven't experienced it yet, but apparently it has happened in Manchester a few times now. They have the operation down to a T. They role up in a van and pull up behind after our employees have got out of their vehicle to go to someones front door. They open up the back of the van and loot everything they can. I work for a charity btw which I won't name on here.

I'm not xenophobic on any level, particularly being an Irishman living in England! Stories like this make me angry though, typical Daily Mail material that's all I can say.

reply to post by budski


And you should 1.) stop believing everything you read in the media and 2.) stop using a single source/article to justify one point and then state that the source in question is unreliable/un-trustworthy

reply to post by Big Raging Loner


I know plenty of people who would or even have done similar things from probably every race, creed and colour known to man.
However,it is true that there are some very active criminal gangs of Eastern European origins who are very active in criminal activities here in the UK at present.

A national newspaper recently ran an article on the UK's 30 most wanted criminals, something like 14 of them were of Eastern Europe origin.

I will try to dig it out.

reply to post by Death_Kron


The source had direct quotes from the police - feel free to contact the police and ask them about it.

Where is your proof for your case?

Non-existent, right?

i really feel for that 72 year old...he would really struggle to get his home back...but as for the 37 year old...surely she knows people...men of similar ages...or younger...my cousin is 33 if this happened to her i'd take my 9 iron to the windows and take it back with force...and if it was my home i wouldnt have even rung the police...break in...aim my golf swing at their knees and then tell the police they just broke in and attacked me...afterall they are in your house thats EXACTLY how it would look if you said that.

reply to post by Silicis n Volvo


Despite recent displays of total incompetence and despite popular belief our police really aren't THAT stupid, lol.

But I fully understand the sentiments.

Originally posted by Silicis n Volvo
i really feel for that 72 year old...he would really struggle to get his home back...but as for the 37 year old...surely she knows people...men of similar ages...or younger...my cousin is 33 if this happened to her i'd take my 9 iron to the windows and take it back with force...and if it was my home i wouldnt have even rung the police...break in...aim my golf swing at their knees and then tell the police they just broke in and attacked me...afterall they are in your house thats EXACTLY how it would look if you said that.

Except that in order for the police to believe them, as per the article, they would have a tenancy agreemtn, which would make you the guilty party - guilty of assualt with a deadly weapon, and probably with intent.

Just make sure you don't drop your soap in the showers...

So let me get this straight,


homeowners associations can take your house for ridiculous unpaid offenses

police can enter your home anytime and remove you upon suspicion of a crime.

governments can evict you from your home for unpaid taxes

but they cant remove a criminal who broke into your home lllegally??

thats some messed up stuff right there, I have friends that could evict them pretty damn quick,

there are many avenues to take if the police wont do their job.

Originally posted by budski
reply to post by Death_Kron

 

The source had direct quotes from the police - feel free to contact the police and ask them about it.

Where is your proof for your case?

Non-existent, right?

Where is yours?

I can play this game all night...

reply to post by canuckster


No, the police can not enter a home anytime and remove someone on suspicion of committing a crime, apart from extreme circumstances the police have to have a valid warrant.

No, the government can not evict someone from their home for unpaid taxes, due legal procedure must be followed even if it is council property.

Of course the police can remove burglars etc.

However, squatters rights is still a complicated issue.

The only "scumbags" I see are the crooked LANDLORDS who profiteer from the misery of tens, hundreds, if not thousands of people to for having shelter in crappy flat buildings.

I'm not gonna hail these defunct stalinist regimes of the past, but the "leftists" regimes in East Europe at least got that right, and provided decent low-cost apartments to citizens back in the days, rather than leaving it under the responsibility of the MAFIA, for second-hand, unrepaired crappy buildings.

And also, OP, I know where you're from. No matter how filthy and sneaky these squatters are, there will never go as low, unjust and despicable as cowardly beating or killing foreigners, Jews, Muslims, alternative or homeless people in the streets to further their grand cause of a Fourth Reich, like these national-socialist gangs do.

Too bad I'm very far away from your place... People like YOU would give me a very busy -and happy- living fighting against racial hatred and corporate oppression that plagues post-Soviet countries these days.

reply to post by Freeborn


Yeah don't get me wrong wasn't have a go at Eastern Europeans collectively. I used to work with a bunch of Czech guys and they had the best work ethic I've ever seen.

You're right about it being gangs though, they are very organised. Some of the stuff people give to charity is awesome too, like newish dvd players, games, CDs, designer clothes an stuff. You know what it's like people buy stuff and replace it a few weeks later with the new 'improved' model.

oh my god is this true? this makes me afraid because i live in the UK. I hope that man was able to get his home back. I knew the government was bad here in the UK but i didn't realise it was THIS bad that you don't even have a claim on your own home, that would be like me going into buckingham palace, changing the locks and kicking the queen out in the streets.

This kind of criminal activity should be rooted out of society.

reply to post by mryanbrown


Well, I would have to disagree. Trespassing is one thing and breaking into someone's home is another.

If someone broke into my house I would have to assume I was in danger and would defend myself, my family and my home accordingly.

How is that only a "Redneck" credo?

A baseball bat and a trip to the dump afterwards would remedy the situation.

reply to post by Traydor


Again, don't depend on the government. What the government is doing is not bad. They are looking out for everyone's rights. Those people may have been defrauded themselves. They may have nowhere to go. They may not be bad people. If you call the law, they are going to be slow and fair in their dealings.

If you are taking care of your own things, you will know almost immediately if this happens, and you can take care of it yourself immediately. If you have neglected your home for weeks or months, then deserve whatever you get.

If I am walking the dog and this happens, see my earlier post! When I return from my short jaunt, they will be welcome to stay as servants and concubines, or they can get out before I lose my temper and turn them all into food for the dog!

If I have had remodellers there and weeks have passed and I have neglected to check up on the place, then I can't blame them for their actions. I will let the law take its course.

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by DaMod

 

So if I walked into your home uninvited, wasn't armed, posed no violent threat you could kill me?

Well that's not the intended purpose for such laws but yeah I could. Most people wouldn't, but why would you come into my house uninvited in the first place? That alone would make you suspect to a violent threat wouldn't it not?

This happened to a friend of mine from London. He moved to New York for a job and was renting out his flat. The guy he was renting to moved out and when he returned to London to check out the place squatters took over his flat and refused to get out.

He handled it by himself. He gathered a bunch of his mates and about 12 of them went over there and removed them from the premises with force. I can see this being a problem for someone in their 70's that doesn't have the strength to fight these losers. He mentioned something called squatters rights in the UK that I don't fully understand.

Can anyone from the UK tell me what exactly are squatters rights?

Filthy game, this bogus lettings scam, everybody gets burnt!

In England, anyone can legally set themselves up as an estate or letting agent. Once they have established the business, they can legally advertise their services and this includes direct marketing to the council, not-for-profit advice and support agencies or central government departments, ie, the tax payer.

The promptness with which the illegal occupants can be legally removed is dependent upon the Tenure and who the legal landlord is (not necessarily the council, who own the property). That the old man was the legal occupier is without question and in view of his age and therefore implied vulnerability, the council will have had a duty to protect him even if they had no landlord responsibilities. His rights to occupy the property are therefore protected by civil, civic and contract law. If his property was damaged, he would have redress through criminal law, as would his landlord. In the circumstances, it should have been possible for the case to be before the judge and the warrant issued, within 24 hours (on a 9-5 weekday). The Lithuanian's cannot claim squatters rights. But once the warrant is executed, they can approach the council and declare they are homeless.

I remain sceptical about the relationship between the agent and the Lithuanians. If the £3,000 actually changed hands (they must have produced a receipt along with the fraudulent tenancy agreement) and in light of the report that they immediately declared their rights, I think the Lithuanians were not entirely innocent in this.

All the resources spent on this one incident! Police hours, council officer hours, court hours. Then after the fact, victim support hours, landlord hours, possible ongoing police hours for any criminal damage!

Comments about the Daily Mail make me laugh!

Originally posted by mryanbrown
reply to post by Death_Kron

 

Sticking up for minorities is sticking up for my country men. In recognizing and respecting their liberties, we recognize and mirror that mentality to our own.

Word! If every damn patriot understood that idea as you do, I wouldn't have a single problem with patriotism.

Too bad the White-supremacist bigots probably won't get it.

But it feels great to see there's at least a few good, intelligent people here!