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Master Li Hongzhi - mankind, the cosmic situation and the coming apocalypse..

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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 01:38 PM
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To all self-cultivators of all schools I believe this article is of great interest(Master Li Hongzhi, the founder of Falun Dafa lectures on mankind´s situation in respect to the restructuring of the cosmos), there is no information like this one:

Source: www.clearwisdom.net...

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Good afternoon! (All Dafa disciples reply, “Good afternoon, Master!” Enthusiastic applause.) You’ve really been working hard! (Disciples reply, “Master has worked hard!”) A grand gathering on this scale is rare, and this time a sizable number of students have come. I hear that two conference halls have been filled. Ten years have passed in the blink of an eye. Whatever persecution may have been perpetrated, it has merely served to temper our Dafa disciples to maturity. The disciples of Dafa underwent a so-called “trial” that was both evil and harsh, and have made it through. You have consistently worked to clarify the truth, save sentient beings, and validate the Fa regardless of how evil the persecution has been, being extremely clear in your minds about what you are doing. Our Dafa disciples have never gotten involved in ordinary people’s politics, and have no interest in political power. We are but a body of cultivators. The perpetrators, meanwhile, in order to persecute Falun Gong and those kind individuals who cultivate Zhen, Shan, Ren, have not hesitated to destroy human morality and propagate false, evil, violent, and pornographic things—the very worst things known to man—to oppose us. In other words, even though we have no political agenda; don’t wish to seize political power from anyone; and merely need surroundings that allow us to do our cultivation and to have the freedom to believe in Dafa—this would suffice—it’s not that the perpetrator has absolutely no idea what it’s doing in persecuting us. It is every bit aware that these people aspire to be good people. The wicked CCP regime is not an entity that encourages people to be good. From the very day it gained political power it has been gangsters building themselves up, and ever since, it has employed lies and falsehood to dupe the people, and violence to establish its dictatorship. These are traits that lie at the foundation of this regime. All along it has relied on relentless lies and violent suppression to get by, and virtually each time that it has spread propaganda and followed it up with violent suppression, these have been based on lies. Its political achievements are bogus, the heroes it has eulogized are bogus, the villains it strikes out against are bogus, the “enemy forces” it hypes up are bogus, the role models it has established are bogus, and its dignified appearance is bogus. But people everywhere, and especially in China, are coming to see its true face.

What this tells us, then, is that while going about its persecution of Falun Gong, it has, so as to persecute this group of people and bring down Falun Gong, connived at those evil things and harmful behavior so as to counteract the universal values of Zhen, Shan, Ren and inundate society with those bad things, to the point that they get out of control. Ironically, however, now that these bad things have gathered enough strength to become a force in their own right, they have ended up jeopardizing the regime’s power, and at this point the regime wouldn’t be able to rein them in even if it tried. So, the persecution of Falun Gong has backfired on the regime, and we’re now seeing the end of this process playing out. I said something at the outset, namely, that the disgraceful end that the wicked Party had in store would not be at the hands of the people, but rather, that its downfall would be a case of retribution for its evil—of reaping what it sowed. Then as for our Dafa disciples, you must remain extremely cognizant of all this and extremely clear about what it is that you’re doing. At no point on this journey have I ever changed the principles that are in place for you as cultivators, so those among us who are muddleheaded really mustn’t be, and should not let human attachments stir you to flights of fancy.

The Three Realms’s entire formation and the creation of the earth were for this final affair today. What’s displayed here among men is a group of good people saving the world’s people and leading society to change for the better, redeeming the world and mankind. But as seen from the cosmos, it is Fa-rectification taking place, and it involves measureless and countless sentient beings, gigantic universes, and immeasurable cosmic bodies. So those trifling things that are to be gained here among men, or political power, can in no way compare. But once a Dafa disciple is here among men for this affair, he must rely on Dafa if he is to tell right from wrong. One enters into illusion upon joining the world of mortals, and so no one can see the reality of things very clearly. Only from this Fa can you gain guidance on how to conduct yourselves. Thus, real experience over these years has born out that with good Fa-study a Dafa disciple can avoid losing his bearing, and no matter how complicated this society may be, or how much things may be in flux, he can, if he manages to truly align his cultivation with the Fa, not be led astray by the false appearances here—even as a range of human attachments, thoughts, temptations, and things that may stir up attachments as well as all sorts of superficial things, conspire to interfere with his cultivation.

My Dafa disciples, try to really take a sober look back at the path you traveled these years. While many things may have seemed to have no rhyme or reason, all, in fact, had an order about them and, for your benefit, served to extend, bit-by-bit, this final chapter of history meant for Fa-rectification. I recall that back before the persecution of Dafa disciples began, a large Fa conference was held here. Back then it was attended by many students, and now, aren’t you all back here again? The people of this world are increasingly seeing the evil for what it is. And similarly, the people everywhere will progressively come to understand just what exactly makes Dafa disciples and Falun Gong what they are. Who is righteous and who is wicked; who is good and who is evil; the groundless accusations; and the slander—the world’s people are going to see through all of these. That sinister regime of gangsters has always falsely accused whoever it wanted to bring down, and that has long been its approach. But such things are now being exposed one by one. In the CCP’s various campaigns, it has always adopted the very same, gangster-like tactics. Namely, it starts by making up rumors about the group it is going to persecute, and has its media collectively swarm to criticize the group and stirs up public sentiment against it, hoodwinking people into becoming part of its affair. It then proceeds to bring down whoever it has targeted. So that’s what it actually means by the term “mass campaign.” This time it won’t work.

Indeed, in the Fa-rectification of the cosmos, all of the cosmos’s gods are watching attentively, and the multitude of Buddhas, Daos, and Gods are participating. Could a bunch of evil people still have their way at this time? [What is happening in the world] is but an instance of this wildly arrogant, evil party being utilized to test Dafa disciples and eliminate Dafa disciples’ attachments in the face of death, thus leading to their Consummation and meanwhile sifting out those who aren’t fit to be Dafa disciples. All it amounts to is just such a process. But, even then, as this plays out things are hard to see for what they are. Only by being amidst the illusion and going through that process can one get a taste of what “hardship” really means. What I just said is meant to tell you that Dafa disciples are outstanding, and you have come through the persecution. But, some people really shouldn’t have lost their direction the way they did. You need to be clear on what you are here for.

There is something else I would like to speak about. Namely, that over all these long years that our Dafa disciples have been persecuted, our efforts to constantly expose the persecution and get the world’s people to see that what’s said are just incriminating lies and trumped up charges have been, in fact, to save the world’s people. That is because the ones who are truly being persecuted are not Dafa disciples, but the world’s people. I said early on that Dafa disciples are just, amidst all the enormous pressure, and amidst real tests of life and death, going through a process of heading towards Consummation. Weren’t all the past persecutions of upright faiths doing the same? I’ve said before that mankind has failed time and again to draw positive lessons; people always manage to remember the negative ones. However hard things may get, Dafa disciples are saving the world’s people, and in each and every initiative you undertake, you are doing what I described.

Dafa disciples have launched many initiatives for clarifying the truth and saving people, with the aim of being able to effectively save sentient beings and expose the evil’s persecution. Some are somewhat larger, and some, somewhat smaller; some are media entities; others seek to break the internet blockade; and then there are efforts in all sorts of settings and at each rung of society that adopt many different forms in order to validate the Fa and save people. All of what you’ve done is extraordinary. All of these things were self-initiated and organized by Dafa disciples in hopes of having a greater impact; they are efforts that have been effective at saving people. On this matter, Master affirms you. As long as Master hasn’t said that you’ve done poorly or that what you’re doing isn’t necessary, then go do that thing, and do it well. As long as what you’re doing can save people, then do it. You needn’t have Master affirm each and every thing that you’re doing.

In the old days, as you know, cultivators took their own individual Consummation to be the primary goal. Could something as historically significant as Dafa’s widespread dissemination be trivial? When it is the Fa of the cosmos that is brought forth and imparted to people, could the person that cultivates it be just an average human being? What Shakyamuni imparted back when he was around was the Fa of Arhat. Mahayana Buddhism was something put together after Shakyamuni had left this world and, strictly speaking, it is a derivative of the original; meaning, it was no more capable of taking people’s cultivation past the level of Arhat than the original. Dafa disciples, by contrast, are kings who came from the heavens above in order to help Master rectify the Fa, and it is fundamentally on account of the fact that Fa-rectification of the cosmos was to take place that Dafa disciples, endowed with such a tremendous spiritual foundation (genji), came about.

And neither are the sentient beings here in this world who are to be saved as simple as they may seem; an average being is not worthy of being saved by the Dafa of the cosmos or a Dafa disciple. The majority of the people in the world today are lives that descended here from the heavens, becoming human, and behind them, linked to them, are massive groups of lives. So, with things being this significant, [the things you are doing] are not things that an ordinary cultivator could do, and neither is the celestial rank [you will achieve] one that an average cultivator could reach. Things now are nowhere near as simple as people in the old days understood them to be.

As I have said, the religious practices, the many faiths, and the variety of cultivation methods of the past were merely establishing in the human realm a culture that would include cultivation and a knowledge of divine beings. If those persons and those enlightened beings had not come to establish this culture, people today wouldn’t understand what’s meant by “cultivation” or that divine beings reside in the heavens and what they are like.

There are Buddhas, Daoist divinities, Gods known to man such as Jesus and Jehovah, and of course, many more deities of all types. They created the knowledge of divine beings that human culture has, and have allowed people throughout history to have a wealth of knowledge about the features of divine beings and how they go about things, as well as what cultivation is, its different forms, and what it takes to do cultivation. Since such things were established in human culture, it is that much easier for me to impart the Fa today. I don’t need to teach you any further what divine beings are, what cultivation is, and what’s involved in reaching divine realms. There is thus no need for me to explain so many of the most superficial things, which otherwise I would have to.

In other words, people now understand, and know, for this part of human culture has been established. And that was the real reason why those enlightened beings came to this world. Today it’s a different story. Today, Dafa disciples are here at the same time as the Fa’s rectification of the cosmos, and it was precisely this phase we have arrived at that people once told of; that the prophecies described; and that was known somewhat to, or comprehended by, people with supernormal abilities. And this phase—the final, culminating affair—is precisely what Dafa disciples are carrying out.

Each Dafa disciple is remarkable. The planes from which they hail are by no means ordinary, and they established man’s culture throughout the course of human history. Many well-known historical figures are counted among our Dafa disciples, and no matter whether it was the guise of an enlightened being that he assumed or perhaps that of a famous cultural figure, a celebrated general, or the king of a nation: any person whose name has been left to posterity is extraordinary. And there are a great many more things done in the past that would seem extraordinary but which went unrecorded and that left not a trace.

This was because gods didn’t wish for those things to be passed down. The average person isn’t worthy of having his name recorded for posterity, for human history was by its very nature formed in service of the Fa-rectification and validation of the Fa. What part of man’s culture, or intellectual heritage, gets to remain is no trivial thing. And humankind’s true history or reason of being is not simple, either. The cultivation that Dafa disciples do, and their saving of people, are inherently tied to the Fa-rectification of the cosmos.

As you know, from July 20 of 1999 up through the present we have witnessed society as well as people’s hearts changing, bit by bit, just as we have witnessed changes in people’s perceptions of and attitudes toward Dafa disciples and the wicked CCP. If you had not taken action in the face of those evil circumstances, nobody would have taken action on your behalf, for people have all been waiting for you to save them. The true victims of persecution are the world’s people, not you. While people have seen that Falun Gong is being persecuted, and Dafa disciples are working to resist it, our counteracting of the persecution is but the superficial appearance. The reality is that you are saving people, and it is to save people that you expose the evil. The wicked CCP doesn’t allow people to believe in the Divine, since the Party is antithetical to the Divine. Atheism itself is a heinous sin.

When a person is divinely created yet he turns around and denies the Divine’s very existence, there is no other way but for him to be eliminated by the Divine. It is truly heartening for me to see Dafa disciples putting such enormous amounts of energy into all of their projects, trying to have a greater impact in saving people. What this means, then, is that while under persecution you are establishing the mighty virtue of enlightened beings. The persecutors are simply a manifestation of evil as Dafa disciples go through the Consummation process. The ones who are truly being persecuted are the world’s people.

In what sense have the world’s people been persecuted? After all, people seem to be leading rather comfortable, free, and unfettered lives when society’s moral values have sunken. But as you know, the majority of the people on this earth came here from the heavens, with many in fact having been sent down here as representatives of the cosmic body they hail from, of that universe’s sentient beings, with their purpose of coming being to ultimately gain salvation. Whether or not salvation will be gained rests on how this person responds, while in this world, once Dafa has been imparted. That is because a person’s actions here reflect the state of the sentient beings, during Fa-rectification, in the cosmic body that he represents and that lies behind him. A human being won’t have the same appearance as a divine being.

After coming to this human realm and having his plane lowered, he can only assume the appearance of a human being. In this day, as Master imparts the Fa, Master cannot be like a divine being. He can merely use human language to teach, and a human appearance to be here with you. A lot of people fail to realize this. People think that it’s Falun Gong that is being persecuted, when in fact it is the world’s people who are the victims. I say that because they have been taken in by the lies during the persecution, and have hatred toward Falun Gong. Yet “Falun Gong” is the name that the Great Law of the cosmos assumes here in this world. What Dafa disciples are doing here is validating the Fa, and they are Disciples of Fa who are saving sentient beings, and have tremendous missions.

Put another way, they are emissaries of the Divine. If an earthly person’s mind is full of negative thoughts about Dafa or Dafa disciples, or if this person has maligned or doesn’t identify with the fundamental truth of Fa that is Zhen, Shan, Ren, then this person is slated to be weeded out, to be eliminated, by divine forces. And this is particularly true for those who have been directly involved in persecuting Dafa disciples, said bad words against Dafa, or done bad things against it. So, when you consider that however severely Dafa disciples may be persecuted they are still walking the path to godhood, and that whether they depart early or late they are still bound for Consummation and will return, is it not in fact human beings who are the true victims of the persecution?

This cosmos has countless, immeasurable sentient beings in it as well as countless gods of different sorts. The immense cosmos is incomparably sacred, with the number of gods in the heavens whose levels are similar to that of Shakyamuni being too many to count. Shakyamuni used the expression “as innumerable as the sands of the Ganges” to describe how large the amount was, but in fact, if you added up the total of all sands on this earth, it would still be inadequate as a metaphor for the number of divine beings at that level. And what we’re discussing is but a metaphor for the number of divine beings at just one level.

Then comparatively speaking, what does a human being amount to? He is hardly worth mentioning. However, though his level of existence may be low, behind him, connected, are lives at higher planes. Many people in this world are in fact the representatives of a group of such lives. But, while under the spell of delusion, people remain unaware of these things, and even less do they know who they themselves really are. Yet behind many of the world’s people, represented by them, are in fact countless and measureless lives of higher planes. In this light, then, would such a great Fa or such extraordinary Dafa disciples come simply to save an average, ordinary human being? Could that possibly happen? At present, the majority of the people in this world have deeper reasons within for being here. If a person is indeed the representative, dispatched to earth, of an enormous cosmic system, then what he represents is a world, a layer of the cosmos, or a layer of a cosmic body.

Since a cosmic body is a circulatory entity, then each cosmic system, regardless of its size, has a system of its own, with there also being a system at higher, and still higher planes, that it belongs to. And the higher the plane, the larger it is; the greater the incalculable number of sentient beings; and the more massive the gods, with the numbers of sentient beings being even less estimable. As a whole, the universe is massive to an extraordinary extent. When a Dafa disciple saves one person, it’s by no means simply one human being as we know it: an enormous body of lives will thus be saved. Put another way, how a person responds to Dafa and Dafa disciples is not simply a human act. And of course, if a person’s surface layer is not very awake and alert, it will pose an obstacle to the salvation of that person and the sentient beings who he represents, so it is for this reason that we need to clarify the truth.

What I just discussed was something very big. There are many people here today listening to the Fa. Hearing this Fa won’t be a problem for Dafa disciples, but perhaps there are some newer students or supporters of Falun Gong or family members here who may have trouble understanding it. But since it’s a Fa conference after all, I am teaching the Fa that’s for Dafa disciples to have, and there’s no other way but to teach like this. So, [the above] was the reason why the Great Law of the cosmos is being disseminated in the human world. Only beings such as [those I described] are worthy of being saved by Dafa disciples, and only such beings are worthy of having the Great Law of the cosmos be spread here in this world—it’s that monumental.

So, although the human being here on a lower plane has an enormous body of lives behind him, while he is here on this earth he is going to be a regular person of this realm, this level. That’s how it works. Though the person is at the lowest plane, if he commits a sin against the Fa of the cosmos, or if he fails to identify with this Fa that created the cosmos and countless sentient beings, then where is he, after opposing such things, bound for? Death, as people conceive of it, involves going to a certain place. But where would such a person go? Even the matter in this universe that results from the ultimate death of something is created by this Fa, so if the person opposes the Fa, where is he to go? By way of illustration, in the Bible, Jehovah and Jesus both allude to how the lives of those who persecute the apostles face eternal damnation and torment, forever. It would hold true even through to when the new cosmos is created, and through its long years of history, with the sinner paying ceaselessly for his sinful karma. My goodness, how terrible!

The suffering would simply know no end, for that’s how big the sinful karma is when someone has sinned against the cosmos’s Great Law. Though a human being is only human, he is in fact a representative of higher planes. Thus, when a human being commits a sin against Dafa, the body of lives behind him that he represents, from top to bottom, will see all of its countless gods and beings of every variety completely destroyed, because this is the Fa-rectification of the cosmos. Mercy is offered before the great disaster arrives, but the Fa-rectification is pitilessly strict.

My Fa is not taught to ordinary people, but to Dafa disciples. Dafa disciples all grasp what this is. What this means is that the ones who have truly been persecuted are human beings, and those who stand to be annihilated are human beings. The goal of the persecution was, in fact, to on the one hand test Dafa disciples, and on the other, weed out the old lives in the cosmos, of which man is one. The old forces were dead set on man not attaining salvation, for the old forces of the cosmos held that the cosmos was no good anymore, and nor were its sentient beings, and thus they should all be destroyed. Cultivators, meanwhile, would be put through harsh ordeals, with whichever Dafa disciples failed to cultivate well getting weeded out. The people of the world and other sentient beings would not be kept.

You have likely seen many prophecies to this effect, with some putting the survival rate at one in ten thousand, one in a thousand, or only one in ten households. Whatever the figure, they wanted to destroy sentient beings on a massive scale. The essential goal of Dafa’s vast spreading in the world, however, and saving of sentient beings, is to redeem everything—to save all sentient beings capable of being saved. And that is why we have done as much as we can, trying our best to save more.

By its very nature, the participation of the old forces of the cosmos in this Fa-rectification affair serves as a demon for Dafa and Fa-rectification. As you’re aware, here among man there is mutual generation and mutual inhibition at work, a positive for a negative. Such is human society. People inherently dwell in an environment where evil accompanies good, and the material substance of man has these two sides, good and evil. Thus, when a person loses his temper, gets irrational, cruel, evil, hateful, or carried away by joy, that is demon nature at work; whereas when he is rational, compassionate, or kind, that is Buddha nature, or his good nature, at work. And in this world there are good people, bad people, those who are kind, those who are wicked, just as in the heavens there are Buddhas—which are Fa Kings—as well as Demon Kings.

All of these are matched up, of course, and the correspondence reaches all the way to very high planes, with a negative for a positive. Having a negative for a positive keeps everything in balance in the old cosmos. When the old forces of the cosmos saw that this Dafa that was spreading was completely positive, they promptly created many demons and ordeals. Precisely in this manner they formed what was, for the Fa-rectification, and for the cosmos’s Dafa, a demon. This is how things came about.

Then what we can say is, all that Dafa disciples have been doing these years has been meant to save people and clarify the truth. Even though many Dafa disciples have been persecuted to a severe degree, all of that took place on the path to godhood; whether the person departs early or late, each shall meet with Consummation. Whereas ordinary people, by contrast, don’t have any such opportunity. Then what makes the life of a Dafa disciple so special? Its foundation was being established ever since the earliest times in history, and it was in this manner that Dafa disciples made it through to the present. Counted among the ranks of Dafa disciples are Jesus’s disciples as well as those of Shakyamuni, as well as, of course, other divine beings who you don’t know of and their disciples. Of course, you are not truly their disciples. You are disciples of Dafa, and were merely waiting for this day. In other words, you accompanied those holy figures in creating a culture for mankind, and today, that culture is again being utilized to save people.




posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 01:57 PM
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Gonna be honest...I sort of stopped at the word pornographic.

That to me immediately tosses credibility in any further discussions out the window...especially in his context.

You have fought against:
Death, murder, evil, destruction, and people enjoying each others company freely.


its like putting apples in the same catagory as raw sewage, poison, and toxic waste...

shows to me that whatever this guy is about to say has been corrupted by puritan style dogma made popular by old biblical teachings...aka, the human body is dirty...a perfect creation by a divine being of course...but completely dirty ironically.

Wisdom comes when you stop identifying your desires of companionship as something horrible.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by Gaussq
If an earthly person’s mind is full of negative thoughts about Dafa or Dafa disciples, or if this person has maligned or doesn’t identify with the fundamental truth of Fa that is Zhen, Shan, Ren, then this person is slated to be weeded out, to be eliminated, by divine forces.




Yet another religion that condemns non-believers to eternal damnation.
Just what we need.

They might want to base themselves in Jerusalem, they'll be right at home.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 02:33 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Gonna be honest...I sort of stopped at the word pornographic.

That to me immediately tosses credibility in any further discussions out the window...especially in his context.

You have fought against:
Death, murder, evil, destruction, and people enjoying each others company freely.


its like putting apples in the same catagory as raw sewage, poison, and toxic waste...

shows to me that whatever this guy is about to say has been corrupted by puritan style dogma made popular by old biblical teachings...aka, the human body is dirty...a perfect creation by a divine being of course...but completely dirty ironically.

Wisdom comes when you stop identifying your desires of companionship as something horrible.


Is it easy to understand this article without having cultivated for a long period? Of course not, it will be impossbile to understand unless you are very familiar with orthodox self-cultivation. By "dirty" means full of karma, the black substance. What is said in the book Zhuan Falun is that there are typical sins today in society like taking drugs, promiscuity, homosexuality, organized crime etc etc. These acts have become the norm of society, therefore you think that is "normal" while the laws of the universe never accepts such things without punishment(either in this life or after life, it does not matter when the debts are repaid). So truth is inverted today and few people can enlighten to it.

Karma is accumulated by doing bad deeds, going against the fundamental laws of the universe(Truth-Compassion-Forbearance; Zhen-Shan-Ren). I advice people who do not believe in karma to take an aura photo. Compare your color with the color of the best person you know. It can be very interesting. The higher color the less karma, basically.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 03:00 AM
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Falun Dafa is a cult, nothing more nothing less. it is typical Mentality of circling the wagons and anyone trying to question its methods, or beliefs are considered heretic and enemy.

It has destroyed many lives, and thankfully is on a downward spiral and will eventually fade.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 03:28 AM
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Gaussq, by posting this speech you just proved my other point on Falun Gong. His writings are craziness. He combines different aspects of different religions to try and create his own. His writings are not Buddhism because this is not what Buddhism is about. He tries to bring different aspects of all religions to make it appeal to everyone. His speeches prove to me he is a fraud. I would not even try his exercises since like his teachings he tries to make them very easy so he can gain more followers. I have come to the conclusion it is true what the Chinese government says about him.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 03:51 AM
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I was always led to believe that eastern philosophy was about serenity and balance. This dude seems pretty negative. This speech sounds more like the Secret Covenant of the Illuminati than any genuine wisdom.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 04:19 AM
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Originally posted by ariel bender

Falun Dafa is a cult, nothing more nothing less. it is typical Mentality of circling the wagons and anyone trying to question its methods, or beliefs are considered heretic and enemy.

It has destroyed many lives, and thankfully is on a downward spiral and will eventually fade.


FD has destroyed many lives?? Well, feel free to clarify that, it sounds like typical CCP propaganda. Why do you think 100 millin Chinese keep doing FD despite risking imprisonment and torture?...

How can you have all those opinions about FD without having read the book or tried the exercises?

One has to experience the power of FD, everything else is just notions.

Like talking about how it is flying a space shuttle without ever having sat foot in the shuttle... There are lots of people with notions about everything they know nothing of but that is just the way this world is today.


For most people, if they can enlighten to "Truth-Compassion-Forbearance is good, Falun Dafa is good", that is amazing news to them.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 04:32 AM
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Originally posted by BillfromCovina
Gaussq, by posting this speech you just proved my other point on Falun Gong. His writings are craziness. He combines different aspects of different religions to try and create his own. His writings are not Buddhism because this is not what Buddhism is about. He tries to bring different aspects of all religions to make it appeal to everyone. His speeches prove to me he is a fraud. I would not even try his exercises since like his teachings he tries to make them very easy so he can gain more followers. I have come to the conclusion it is true what the Chinese government says about him.


Who could ever talk about these matters in this way and explain things like Master Li can do? Nobody else can do it. In fact, after a person studies the Fa in depth and tries the exercises he will be shocked. Who can give a Falun to you when you do the standing exercise?..

I have seen too many people receive the Falun and then they will never be the same people again - they will improve by leaps and bounds when they know truth.

As mentioned before, reality is going to smack too many people in their face in the future. Especially in the west where bad notions are sky high about these profound matters.

In fact people who do not want to try or check anything for themselves have nobody to blame but themselves. I have had many sceptics coming to practice, I tell them, let´s do the exercises and see what happens. Most people are just shocked by the effects and very very happy and grateful, finally they see truth.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 08:33 AM
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Falun Dafa was a fad in China, it spread quickly because China was opening its borders and it happened to be at the right place at the right time, however it burned out.

Your figure of 100 Million is fantasy. There are more Falun dafa practitioners in San Francisco California than all of China. Nobody believes in it any longer, unfortunately too many lost souls believed the Bull and like many that follow cults did not have the balance in their lives to prevent the nonsense or question its core beliefs.

In any regard if you wish to practice your own brand of religion, great, more power to you. If you attempt to convert others to your personal brand of self destruction you will be asked to answer for your beliefs.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by ariel bender

Falun Dafa was a fad in China, it spread quickly because China was opening its borders and it happened to be at the right place at the right time, however it burned out.

Your figure of 100 Million is fantasy. There are more Falun dafa practitioners in San Francisco California than all of China. Nobody believes in it any longer, unfortunately too many lost souls believed the Bull and like many that follow cults did not have the balance in their lives to prevent the nonsense or question its core beliefs.

In any regard if you wish to practice your own brand of religion, great, more power to you. If you attempt to convert others to your personal brand of self destruction you will be asked to answer for your beliefs.


The Chinese gvmt said it themselves, between 70-100 million practiced in 1998 and then in 1999 it was banned. I would say the vast majority of those are still practicing.

Anyway, as long as people have notions about stuff they never tested there are going to be lots of so called "critics" who make judgments based on mainstream CCP propaganda.

When the predestined people try the exercises and read the book they will know truth.

You can never "convert" anyone to Dafa, the people who become genuine Dafa cultivators will work extremely hard on themselves to become better persons and transform their bodies. The task is harder than anything demanded in everyday life, nobody can do it without a will of steel.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 10:51 PM
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well, you are incorrect, Falun was a fad, joke, or just a bad experience in their life. Its like trying to find someone admit they wore polyester disco outfits or bought a pet rock in the 70's. Millions did it, but its in the past and forgotten.


People are much smarter about cults especially as Internet has given rise to help groups and information in general. Give it your best shot but people will not just swallow the BS as in the past.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 04:05 AM
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well, you are incorrect, Falun was a fad, joke, or just a bad experience in their life. Its like trying to find someone admit they wore polyester disco outfits or bought a pet rock in the 70's. Millions did it, but its in the past and forgotten.


People are much smarter about cults especially as Internet has given rise to help groups and information in general. Give it your best shot but people will not just swallow the BS as in the past.



Again, what you say may sound reasonable and "smart" to someone who does not check facts or try the free FD exercises. How about people´s hearts? Have they got a heart for self-cultivation and becoming better people? That is the key question.

Anyone who invests those 40 minutes is bound to see effects, some profound some less profound.

FD is an experience based faith, what you experience during meditation you will believe in. While religion mostly is about faith and hopes of reaping the rewards from doing good deeds in life. In FD you exercise your body and eliminate karma, in religion you don´t.

Here lies the main difference.

In FD one does not talk much about faith, one talks about raising your cultivation level and experiencing the heavens while being alive down here... One foot in the heavens and one foot on earth. That is FD.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 04:57 AM
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.. Very nice indeed .. but again . to deny one religion is to deny all . is that not what is stated as sin .. and to deny .. the One True God . is to deny God and is also a sin .. .. So in turn there is no right or wrong Religion or Belief of Religion .. and to say that only One is Right again . is Sin .... even stated in this portion of the thread .. there is Good and Evil ... meaning .. a wrong and right .. there is no purity or Unity .. meaning there is still no Peace to be achieve only and endless stream of the same .. meaning no change only Complacency .. self-satisfaction especially when accompanied by unawareness of actual dangers or deficiencies ...The public was lulled into complacency... the now=



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 05:38 AM
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Only beings such as [those I described] are worthy of being saved by Dafa disciples, and only such beings are worthy of having the Great Law of the cosmos be spread here in this world—it’s that monumental.
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...such a statement .. I thought only God... describes . whom is worthy of being Saved .. ?.. so why is Dafa Diciples . chosing whom is to be saved .. ?.. God is only ONE mind .. ?.. there can not be 2 .. ?.. at one point in time.. so Dafa .. Disiples are not GOD .. or the will of God .. for there is only ONE TRUE GOD...the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
..The .. only thing God requires of his Children is to have Faith ... ..and all whom question Faith . turn from GOD..
and is not a Chosen One of God...
1.Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2.Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See synonyms at belief, trust.
3.Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
4.often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5.The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
6.A set of principles or beliefs.




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posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 07:27 AM
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.. Very nice indeed .. but again . to deny one religion is to deny all . is that not what is stated as sin .. and to deny .. the One True God . is to deny God and is also a sin .. .. So in turn there is no right or wrong Religion or Belief of Religion .. and to say that only One is Right again . is Sin ....


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Who said FD denies any orthodox religion? On the contrary it is said in FD orthodox religion could save people to the heavens.

However, over time their teachings were corrupted and the respective Gods do not care about their orthodox religions anymore. FD includes no religious worshipping, it does not help you increase your cultivation level anyway. Of course a genuine FD cultivator respects Master Li tremendously but that is another issue.

FD says Jesus, Shakyamuni and Lao Zi all are righteous Gods at Tataghata level.

FD uses a different kind of cultivation form than the old religions, it aims directly at your heart with body, mind and soul cultivation while living in the mud of everyday society. In my view the Fa(Law theory) is superior to all the old religions and its level is beyond anything shown to mankind before. However, the objective is the same like in orthodox religion, to consummate yourself before death.

The real scam is modern religions aiming at money and power. That is another cup of tea and those phenomena were an important factor in undermining the orthodox religions.

As for your other comments, I recommend you to first read the book Zhuan Falun. In Zhuan Falun you will get clarity about third eye, Gong levels, virtue-karma relationship etc. It uses a modern scientific approach to explain supernatural phenomena and what you need to improve inside yourself to be able to consummate.

In FD cultivation you will open your third eye and you will develop genuine Gong(energy), after you have that it is all a matter of effort and endurance to go all the way to consummation.


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posted on Sep, 25 2010 @ 12:03 AM
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Those numbers would put Falun Gong on a par or even greater than the underground Christian church in China. I find that somewhat difficult to believe, though I'm not surprised the devil would raise up cults in order to counteract the tremendous gains the Holy Spirit has wrought in China.

The Chinese government, of course persecutes apostolic christianity in China as well. Not that that's surprising, genuine christianity is a huge threat to government power since it acknowledges a higher authority than any government, the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

The fact that Jesus Christ will overthrow all the governments of the world when he returns is probably not a great selling point to the powers that be either.



posted on Sep, 25 2010 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by SevenThunders
Those numbers would put Falun Gong on a par or even greater than the underground Christian church in China. I find that somewhat difficult to believe, though I'm not surprised the devil would raise up cults in order to counteract the tremendous gains the Holy Spirit has wrought in China.

The Chinese government, of course persecutes apostolic christianity in China as well. Not that that's surprising, genuine christianity is a huge threat to government power since it acknowledges a higher authority than any government, the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

The fact that Jesus Christ will overthrow all the governments of the world when he returns is probably not a great selling point to the powers that be either.


Well, your numbers come from you and you had better show some reliable source for those numbers. As mentioned before FD is about self-cultivation and has no membership, fees, church or organization. That means FD can not be corrupted since no clergy exists. That also means FD is a very demanding school of cultivation.

The vast majority of eople who say FD is a cult have never read the book Zhuan Falun or tried the exercises. That is how things are.

The irony is that Christians do not understand the bible after 2000 years and do not read Swedenborg´s(Jesus words) scriptures.

Who is coming down during the Judgment? All the current churches who have corrupted Jesus teachings will come down and be wiped out, those are the beasts the Bible is speaking about(Luther he said it about 500 years ago about the papacy, then the disease spread like wildfire). The modern clergy is a perfect example of the modern church´s devastated ethics and moral.

Who can not see things for what they are? People who shut their eyes and choose to stay deaf when people argue with common sense. Pick up a newspaper and take a look at our church in the news.... Is it a virtuous church, a church who has no gold, no political power, no human God(a pope and a "black magic jesuit pope") or is not after "miracles" to report?

Who is coming down to save mankind? The Lord of Lords is coming down to clean up the mess, that is not Jesus of course. How could that be Jesus, people now do not even remember Jesus has a father(Yahweh) who is much stronger than Jesus. So how could Jesus save all of mankind when he is not even the Lord of the white people and is just at Tataghata level? Jesus had nothing to do with Asia and said "Do not go to the east". The Asian people had Shakyamuni and Lao Zi among others. Of course there is someone much higher than all these Gods.

Modern Christians(at the top of the clergy pyramid) have corrupted all good logics and do not want to use common sense at all or give any power to the people themselves(like the Gnostics did). About Jesus, church even insults him every day by worshipping him being nailed to a cross. Are they celebrating that he was killed? Do they hate him? Does it not look like that? Yes it does. Does Jesus accept that? Of course not.

Should church not focus on Jesus good deeds? Or do they think Jesus is really dead and does not exist?

I´m sure his name will be reestablished in its correct sense very soon.



posted on Sep, 25 2010 @ 10:15 PM
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How can I be sure you are not a government agent? This article puts the number of Chinese christians at 130 million.
Chinese Christians

The way the church has grown has largely been through miracles. Things like healings and raising the dead tend to get your attention.

As for your teachings on judgment day, they are in direct opposition to Jesus' own words with regards to his return. I provide some New Testament quotes here for you to examine:

Jesus will judge:

21For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.


False prophets will appear as ordinary men, claiming to be the Messiah. Jesus will not appear like that, but with great power and glory:

"So if anyone tells you: 'There he [the Messiah] is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or: 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man." (Matthew 24:26-27)


Jesus referred to himself as the Son of Man, which is a prophecy from Daniel. He explicitly says here that he will return to judge in great power and glory.

"At that time, the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky and all the nations of Earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory." (Matthew 24:30)


Here is what an angel said about Jesus when he finally ascended into the clouds of heaven,

"Men of Galilee," they [angels] said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into Heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into Heaven." (Acts 1:11)



posted on Sep, 26 2010 @ 02:43 AM
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How can I be sure you are not a government agent? This article puts the number of Chinese christians at 130 million.
Chinese Christians

The way the church has grown has largely been through miracles. Things like healings and raising the dead tend to get your attention.




Miracles, you speak about miracles but do not understand what they are, nor can you or anyone else in Christianity explain them. Falun Dafa is the first time mankind has gotten an explanation of "miracles".





Jesus will judge:

21For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.





Of course Jesus gives life(Gong) to his cultivators. What is meant by giving life? That means supplying Gong to his righteous followers, the people who cultivate in his school. His father gave him the chance to establish his cultivation school down here. That is what is meant by this verse, as far as I know.




False prophets will appear as ordinary men, claiming to be the Messiah. Jesus will not appear like that, but with great power and glory:

"So if anyone tells you: 'There he [the Messiah] is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or: 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man." (Matthew 24:26-27)




This phrase refers to false prophets etc that angle for fame, money and worldly things. They establish a cult and gather some people to become a leader with different desires fulfilled. FalunDafa is about people cultivating themselves without external form(churches, membeership, worshipping etc) and Master Li Hongzhi has never said he is the Holy King of the Wheel, that is for each person to enlighten to by himself. He offers the Fa and explanations for a large variety of inexplicable phenomena, by using scientific terms.




Jesus referred to himself as the Son of Man, which is a prophecy from Daniel. He explicitly says here that he will return to judge in great power and glory.

"At that time, the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky and all the nations of Earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory." (Matthew 24:30)





Who said Jesus refers to himself as the Son of Man?? He said he was the Son of Yahweh, do not mix up things. You say so but Jesus never saidhe was the Lord of Lords and he would never dare to say it either. Remember, he is a Tathagata God, he very well knows who is the Lord of Lords, it is Jesus. If he was the Lord of Lords, why don´t you believe he showed himself to any human being during 2000 years? Again, your logics don´t work again.




Here is what an angel said about Jesus when he finally ascended into the clouds of heaven,

"Men of Galilee," they [angels] said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into Heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into Heaven." (Acts 1:11)




An angel, which level has an angel in the heavens? Now you say an angel is a true prophet, is that true?

Did Swedenborg not say that angels are liars, they can not tell truth and there is a reason for that. They are not allowed to easily disclose heavenly secrets so they always tell whatever they want, even if they sometimes know some truths.

Btw, it is possible Jesus will come back later to cultivate himself higher, but not to organize Judgment Day. After Judgment Day there will be a new world, the seventh Church(Falun Dafa) will take over the world and the Lord of Lords will rule the world.

From the bible and Swedenborg(last true prophet of Jesus):

Matthew 24:32:

"But now learn a parable from the fig-tree; when its branch is now become soft, and putteth forth leaves, ye know summer is nigh."

Swedenborg´s interpretation of the above(as Jesus told him):

"And when all things above spoken of appear, then will be the consummation of the church, that is the last judgment of the LORD, consequently then the old church will be rejected, and the new established."


Of course this bible prophecy coincides perfectly well with Falun Dafa establishing itself around the world while the Fig Tree(Udumbara) flowers now blossom everywhere:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Who will be saved?

Each person who is positive to the coming change(Fa-rectification) of this world and has not overly much karma(sins) will make it at least to the next stage, that is my absolute belief.

In fact, few people can become genuine Dafa cultivators now, so who is positive to the coming change? That person is always in a better position.


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