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Why You Will Soon Be Living In Poverty

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posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1

Originally posted by whaaa

No by someone that hasn't let their ideology over ride their common sense.


Common sense tells me that if something is good, it doesn't need to be rammed down the publics throat at gun point.



And common sense also says that that is a false premise, as nothing was "forced down" in any way, and certainly not gun point.

Here's an idea: instead of using this as an opportunity to repeat pre-scripted talking points, why not DEBATE using FACTS?

Do you have a FreedomWorks checklist next to your laptop?




posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 07:46 PM
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Yeah, and the consumers benefit tremendously from this competition.

just short-term benefit for consumers, more exactly -- after death of last competitor, king will take own



It is only when the violence of government gets involved through regulations that cartelize industries and drive out competition that things become problematic.

i fail to see the little differences between bad gov. & monopolized market because any free market rots to be monopolized.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 08:01 PM
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I was curious about some of those silver coins I was buying. A Morgan silver dollar weighs .77344 troy ounces. In 1921 the price of an ounce of silver was $0.663. So a Morgan silver dollar was only worth 52 cents in 1921. The money was debt based even back then. Very dis-heartening.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 08:29 PM
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Yup been there done that for more than a year. Sadly the house of cards is set to tumble down.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 09:00 PM
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Because when I think freedom works, a neo-conservative organization, I especially think of Mnenmeth. Because neo-conservatives are known for their anarchic beliefs.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 09:13 PM
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A dollar hasn't been worth a dollar since about 1914, when everyone went off the gold standard in World War I. In the 1920s, they tried to restore it but then found it helped cause another depression, so no one wanted to try it again. After World War II, when most currencies could not be converted anyway for the next 20 years, the dollar effectively became the international gold standard, but that ended in the early-1970s.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 09:15 PM
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What will the oligarchs do when the enraged billions storm their mansions? What will they do when they have slaughtered the cow that has sustained their very lives upon her teet. As they suck the marrow of her bones will they then realize that they too are doomed? Will they then mark their very last breath as yet they themselves another victim of their own avarice? Or will their end be in terror as the enraged horde storms their gates and draws them upon their own marble floors? There will be times as these. Blood will flow in torrents. Must it be so? I pray not. Not everywhere. There will be bastions of peace, cooperation and compassion. Neighbor will help neighbor. We will freely exchange the food we grow and the things we create. We will live in harmony with nature much as aboriginal societies do. It will be the dawn of a golden new world. Fear not my dear ones. Embrace the change.We will live as we always should have...free. No jobs. No bills. No credit cards. Just take just what you need and no more. You can live this way. You will thrive this way. You will be free. Only this time, do not repeat the errors of the past. Namaste



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1

Originally posted by Segador
I cannot wait to live in complete poverty honestly.


After the debt bomb wipes out the country we can get back to the post-industrial apocalyptic living the environmentalists have been dreaming about.

US CO2 emissions should drop significantly as people revert back to growing corn and shooting rabbits for subsistence.

Oil will be to expensive for us to drive cars around, so we should see a resurgence in bicycling soon as well.


You may be correct. The federal govt. and local govt. and most importantly people are saddled with to much debt. There is no way for them to get out from under it even by hook or crook. Then I read an article about where student loans (yours truly) have these professionals at such a disadvantage that in many cases they owe as much on their loan as they would buying a 100,000 dollar house or more. So you have a large section of the populace that has went to school and such but can't really get into the consumer game because there are no jobs or jobs that pay enough to pay off their debt and then consume. So in essence you have a section of people that are waiting on 1 of 2 things. Either allow student loans and/or other non-dischargeable consumer debt to be discharged in bankruptcy court or by order of the govt.. Or bring back the jobs to the US. What I think is going to happen is that they will still do their ponzi scheme of printing money through the monetizing of debt to the point that our currency will implode along with our economy.

And when that happens you will see what happens when a country of 300 million people financially implodes.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

You're saying only a government can enforce suppression of technology? Once again... I'm not talking about the patent system, I'm talking about ANY suppression of technology which doesn't need the government to be enforced. Even large corporations like Coca Cola keep their recipes a secret, other companies keep their designs/specs a secret, and most companies don't make the BEST product they can (even if they'd still turn a profit) simply because profit doesn't necessarily follow what is most advanced, useful, or ecologically friendly. That's why people are sold things ALL THE TIME that are the opposite- primitive, faulty, useless/excessive, and ecologically destructive. Government has a very small role in these downfalls of the market, in fact they have a larger role in mitigating/regulating these negative outcomes.

Yes... and there are also entire institutes dedicated to Scientology... or anything else you can name. That doesn't make it correct though. As I've said before, the vast majority of Anarchist thought/history/support (and Libertarian for that matter) is left-wing, period.


How buddy - HOW - tell me how a corporation can suppress technology someone else creates without government enforced patents?

Tell me how.



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Use your imagination, the possibilities are endless, especially for a more powerful economic entity.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by SpectreDC
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Because when I think freedom works, a neo-conservative organization, I especially think of Mnenmeth. Because neo-conservatives are known for their anarchic beliefs.


I dunno about that, man. Neo-cons are about destroying social programs and boosting corporatism, free trade, and the military.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by SpectreDC
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Because when I think freedom works, a neo-conservative organization, I especially think of Mnenmeth. Because neo-conservatives are known for their anarchic beliefs.


I see no evidence of 'anarchic' beliefs in the repetition of neo-conservative talking points.

second line abducted my Muslim Socialistic terrorists.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 09:33 PM
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I usually jog along the canals of Phoenix, and I will see many individuals camped out along the stretch. I always see the Effen cops harrassing them to keep moving. Keep moving where!! I had the opportunity to talk to an individual that just came in from California. He lost his house, his car, his wife/family, his reputation and he was just here with a suitcase to see what he could find in order to pay his child support. His wife initiated the divorce once they could not keep up with the Joneses. Well, hardy har har!! This ish does not surprise me.
I am almost to a point to where I live paycheck to paycheck. Some of it is of my own fault, dealing with the corrupt government of the City Of Phoenix and all their chicanery. But that is another story.

There is a system set up to lock up people and for them to is #, and they keep on building more prisons. Just do a flyover of Florence, Arizona. You will see the evidence there. There is a huge complex for illegal, and then there they are building a huge complex for the average American Citizen who happens to break a law. Let me tell you, it is a sprawling "situation".
So going back to living in poverty, well it has been TPTB's agenda to keep us down and to enslave us. Do you carry enough firepower? That is the question?



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by justadood

Originally posted by SpectreDC
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Because when I think freedom works, a neo-conservative organization, I especially think of Mnenmeth. Because neo-conservatives are known for their anarchic beliefs.


I see no evidence of 'anarchic' beliefs in the repetition of neo-conservative talking points.

second line abducted my Muslim Socialistic terrorists.


That's probably because they didn't teach you to read very well in public school.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:00 AM
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Perhaps...if I were not moving to another country as soon as (or before) the ka-ka hits the fan here in the US. I don't need electricity and all the trappings. I need good soil, to be near water and have a lot of matches because I never was a girl scout. The rest I can do myself.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:04 AM
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Although I technically make a salary above the poverty level I live at or below that level due to DEBT. So, I'm there already



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by Kratos40
I usually jog along the canals of Phoenix, and I will see many individuals camped out along the stretch. I always see the Effen cops harrassing them to keep moving. Keep moving where!! I had the opportunity to talk to an individual that just came in from California. He lost his house, his car, his wife/family, his reputation and he was just here with a suitcase to see what he could find in order to pay his child support. His wife initiated the divorce once they could not keep up with the Joneses. Well, hardy har har!! This ish does not surprise me.
I am almost to a point to where I live paycheck to paycheck. Some of it is of my own fault, dealing with the corrupt government of the City Of Phoenix and all their chicanery. But that is another story.

There is a system set up to lock up people and for them to is #, and they keep on building more prisons. Just do a flyover of Florence, Arizona. You will see the evidence there. There is a huge complex for illegal, and then there they are building a huge complex for the average American Citizen who happens to break a law. Let me tell you, it is a sprawling "situation".
So going back to living in poverty, well it has been TPTB's agenda to keep us down and to enslave us. Do you carry enough firepower? That is the question?


It's terrible that the most impoverished people on this planet are treated so terribly. Essentially, being homeless is illegal in this country (the US), it's disgusting and NOT the hallmark of a supposedly free country.

Here are a couple great quotes on the homeless:

"The homeless are "beyond civilization" because they're beyond the reach of civilization's hierarchy, which has been unable to develop a structural extension to enclose them. The most it can manage is to oppress, harry, and obstruct them. To accede to homelessness would be to "let them go," much as the biblical pharaoh let the Israelites go."
-Daniel Quinn, Beyond Civilization

"If we let the homeless find their own places of refuge and helped them habilitate those place (instead of rousting them wherever they settle), if we channeled to them the vast amounts of food that are discarded routinely every day (instead of forcing them to grovel for food at shelters), if we actively assisted them to support themselves on their own terms (instead of ours), just think--homelessness would largely cease to exist as "a problem.""
-Daniel Quinn, Beyond Civilization

"Acceding to homelessness would look like helping the homeless succeed WHILE being homeless. What an idea! I can almost hear the howls of outrage from both liberals and conservatives that must greet such a concept. Help people succeed at being homeless? We want them to fail at being homeless!"
-Daniel Quinn, Beyond Civilization



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 12:41 AM
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I just have to go to bed, but wanted to say this thread is fascinating and pretty scary stuff, I know that it is a real situation, but man, doesnt real poverty begin in propaganda of what we dont have? I mean, I could be the richest in the world and still live with poverty consciousness, or the other way around, living in a cave with all the luxury the mind can muster.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 01:12 AM
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I'm impressed. You truly understand the economic side of the equation.
I am thrilled when I see one seA the situation at hand for what it is.

There is a reason, though not a good one, for what is going on and why.
I've written extensively on this topic here on ATS for 'good' reason.
I just wanted to congratulate yourself for speaking the truth as you know it.

Good for you and those that you may have awakened to reality.
There is so much to say in regard to this topic and it's tangents though I just wanted to give you a thumbs up for speaking the truth as 'U' know it.

May we look Up for answers as well as for understanding of just what is going on in the cosmos at the moment.....and the near future.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain
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Perhaps...if I were not moving to another country as soon as (or before) the ka-ka hits the fan here in the US. I don't need electricity and all the trappings. I need good soil, to be near water and have a lot of matches because I never was a girl scout. The rest I can do myself.


Moving to another country will only help if it's one that will somehow escape the same fate as all other countries. I'm in the UK and even with the welfare system here, there is still poverty and homelessness, a disappearing middle-class, an ever-increasing police state and loss of civil liberties. The money-grab by the elite and the austerity measures against the general public are in full swing here just like everywhere else.

This is a problem that has to be fixed nationally and then globally, not run away from.



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 02:23 AM
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heres an article i found...it uses a bunch of statistics to show the extent to which our economy is failing...i don't understand why we (the people) don't revolt or something...power in numbers...theres more of us than there are of them.

heres the link



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