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Why You Will Soon Be Living In Poverty

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posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 01:08 PM
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reply to post by aravoth
 


Karl Marx was a writer. He was a theorist, as considered by others, and he was a jounalist by trade.

He was not some type of super human incarnation of either good or of evil.

He was an individual whose ideas were promoted and used, incorrectly I might add, by people in positions of power, and then he is/was made to appear as if he were the bad guy/enemy du jour, because his theories have the power in the hands of the people.

When asked Karl Marx replied, "I am not a Marxist".

When asked the zen buddhist replied...
"if you use this in the duty of commerce, then I own intellectual property rights".




posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 01:27 PM
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One other thing I would like to note to you:

A 100% reserve gold backed banking system (which is what I am arguing for) that operates on fees alone DOES NOT REQUIRE DEPOSIT INSURANCE

Deposit insurance is only required when the bank is engaging in fractional reserve lending.

If the bank should go bankrupt from lack of fees, the gold held by the bank can be returned to the customers.

The very fact we have a need for deposit insurance indicates the banks are in engaged putting the deposits of their customers at risk - which should not be the case.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 01:47 PM
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I'm not all for fat lazy people...emphasis on lazy. However, what gives you the right to say they "biologically" don't have the right to live? What gives you the right to live? What are you doing to make society a better place? So from a "survival of the fittest" standpoint, you think you got what it takes if all goes to hell? I've got news for you. It's all what's up in that brain of yours. I don't care if you are 300lbs or 150lbs, if you don't know how to use your brain, when tshtf, you will be at the bottom.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 02:34 PM
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S&F

Thank you so very much for your very informative post!



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posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 02:47 PM
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Seriously, no disrespect meant for you, but it's happening and fast! This is not fear mongering. I don't think we are paranoid enough.

How many people here are prepared if even a natural disaster occurs where you live? If something happened right now, how are you in terms of basic supplies to save your lives?

I know I'm not prepared!

If something happens, I'm just a paycheck away from complete poverty. And even if I had tons of gold or silver, what would that do for me in this situation? Would I have the gold/silver investment just on paper or physically in my hands? If I had millions of dollars in the bank and the floor dropped on Wall Street, how would I get myself to a bank when there would be thousands of people panicking and trying to get their cash out? What if riots broke out and there were no supplies? No electricity? Would you be prepared?

I know I wouldn't be prepared..... just my 2 cents.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 03:27 PM
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Because if books are made to look OK when they are not, the bank operators can be charged with fraud.



So you agree that there should be regulations preventing fraud. I'm confused, I thought you said you wanted a "free market". How can a market be free with all these anti-fraud regulations you advocate? With no government, who will be enforcing these regulations? Would we need regulations preventing other regulations? Do we need to elect people to a congress of some sort? I'm pretty sure we have all that stuff in place now, why don't we just use that?

Personally, I don't have time to do the research necessary for your regulation-free world, with all the time I spend trying to prevent people like you from dismantling the greatest nation the world has ever known. I want to be able to trust that if I deposit my money in a bank, it will be there when I need it. I want to be able to trust that if I buy a toy, it isn't coated with lead paint. I want to be able to trust that the food I eat isn't contaminated with any number of preventable diseases. This is the role of the regulation arm of the federal government, a role that the last 40 years of "deregulation" has wholly corrupted.

Your example of the railroads is a perfect example of government not doing it's job. The federal bailout of the banks is, again, a great example of the government not doing it's job, though we would all be much worse off today had the bailout not happened. Long term, I don't know, we may end up in the same place, but we were pretty damn close to economic collapse. It's a little funny to hear people advocating for that, I generally don't root for the suffering of my countrymen. (well, maybe Dick Cheney...)



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 03:41 PM
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Somebody mentioned food stamps...

Last year, my wife was laid off for a long time. Wasn't a big deal, we compensated, and it didn't impact us too much, just some belt tightening. Then, I was laid off. For about 4 months, there was an overlap of both of us being out of work. During that 4 months time, we only had unemployment coming in. So, problem was, with our unemployment, we made exactly $200 too much, each month, to qualify for food stamps. Ain't that a kick in the head?

Luckily, she got a job, then I got one a month later, and we've both been working since, but took a while to catch up (heck, still kind of doing it, really). I just couldn't believe that with both of us on unemployment, we made TOO MUCH for food stamps! What the heck?

Never been out of work for that kind of time before, and really don't ever want to be again. It was hard even finding jobs way beneath my qualifications (and pay). Luckily, I found one paying the same as the last one.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 03:43 PM
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With all due respect, the time for changing the economic system in the US passed a long time ago. We can't switch to a gold based system because we don'i have any gold. It has been transfered to our creditors overseas over the last several decades.

We need not concern ourselves with "fixing" the system. We need to concern ourselves with SURVIVAL. First and foremost you need shelter and everyone should make an attempt to accumulate a pantry full of freeze-dried foods and an abundant supply of drinking water. A years supply of food for each person in the family is ideal and a months supply of emergency drinking water (figure at least 1 gal per person per day). One should also have a good water purification device. You also need a well stocked "bug out bag" (don't know what that is? - Google it).

We bought a few items each month for two years to achieve our goal. Some silver coins to use for barter would be good. Stay away frim gold. Gold is not easily exchanged for needs in a barter economy. Guns and ammo are probably needed to protect your stuff.

Some good free articles on Being Prepared can be found here:

beprepared.com...

Peace...



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posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 03:46 PM
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free markets are myth: Prime formula of Capitalsm is cheap production makes good profit -- however, any production must be threatingless for members of society along long time. that often needs to've an expensive research to comprehend long-term consequences. most representative/alive example got to be McDonald's -- priceless foods have made hella nice profit for'em, but many persons have had hella lot troubles of own health thanks to mcdonalds sh!t. any free market only can be seized by criminal-prone persons
new techs just worsen this situation.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 04:08 PM
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Regulations do not prevent fraud.

Regulations do not punish fraud.

Regulations do nothing except monopolize and cartelize businesses.

There is distinct difference between regulations and laws that punish criminal conduct.

Regulations are imposed mandates on businesses that have no specific victim. Regulations attempt (and fail miserably) to prevent fraud from occurring in the first place.

Fraud laws are criminal laws that have a clear victim, which can in turn sue for damages.

There is only one simple law necessary - if you defraud someone you will be punished. Businesses should be free to adjust how they operate on their own, free of regulations. If they defraud someone, THEN they should be punished. However, they should not be penalized and burdened with excessive regulations if they aren't harming anyone.

By the way, if in free market, a bank was to openly disclose it was operating a fractional reserve system with no backing - I have NO PROBLEM with them doing this.

Of course, anyone with half a brain would not chose to bank with them.

Banks can only get away with this crap now because regulations impose the system on us.

If legal tender laws and bans on private currency were abolished, you'd see people dump the dollar for the private gold backed currencies rapidly.




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posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by mnemeth1

Originally posted by unityemissions
No thanks.

I've been stocking up on sliver.



good call.

I'd also include guns, ammo, food, land in the middle of no-where, solar power systems, and a well.


I'd like to add to your excellent list, a few other things.

1) Fishing kit , tough line, many hooks, bobbers can be made, etc etc
2) Illustrated Wild edible plants guide
3) Illustrated Wild medicinal plants guide
4) Snare wire - only legal in a survival situation

5) water purification USP resublimated iodine crystals 1 oz bottle,
also for ppl allergic to shellfish 4 oz of bleach in small carry tube, and eyedropper
10 drops of bleach per gallon per online site for water purification.
SODIS water purification plans

en.wikipedia.org...

plans for a small solar still using the solar oven method

6) multi-tool pocket knife , stainless steel so it wont rust
7) bug out bag/backpack to carry out essentials in case you need to Evac due to riots, etc etc
8) SAS pocket survival guide in double ziplock bag.
9) Crank flashlight/radio/ cell phone charger - in ziplock baggie
10) mosquito head net or even entire suit, disease may become wide spread
11) Best if you can navigate without a compass, but a lensatic compass can be had cheap
12) Good rugged outdoor hiking boots
13) rugged wool socks - in ziplock baggie to keep dry
14) desiccant for your ammo cans to keep moisture low
15) tough folding shovel
16) knife sharpener
17) parang, kukri, or machete for brush, other knives as needed
18) wool blanket - holds in heat even when wet
19) 2 or 3 pair of tough rugged clothing - outdoors oriented
20) sewing kit
21) 2 sets of eyeglasses ( more rugged than contacts, easier to find )
22) stainless steel camping mess kit
23) several trash bags, work as rain poncho an water proofing makeshift shelters
24) firearm cleaning kit
25) 550 paracord - 1,000 ft. - (I prolly carry too much of this, but its very useful)
26) p-38/p-51 or real can opener
27) non Genetic modified seed packs, I used getseeds.net
28) aluminum foil for: - solar oven - solatubes - weak EMP shielding if done right, parabolic fire maker
29) wiki books, survival info, other books on USB memstick
30) small pocket inverter - enough to run a laptop
31) several 1 gallon ziplock baggies - last for awhile - afterwards use animal boiled stomachs
32) cached items/food of various types at multiple locations in case you get robbed
like rice, beans, oatmeal at multiple locations - PVC pipe or food grade buckets well hidden

33) hammock net that can also be converted to a ghillie suit
34) practice using all of the above...
35) a few others ppl you trust with your life, that see what is coming, for many reasons



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 04:22 PM
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This is the master plan to make the majority of Americans poor. The government wants us dependent on them where we will be at their mercy. Same old story the rich is getting richer and the poor is getting poorer. The gap is getting larger, the so called middle class is disappearing.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by unityemissions
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All of that is in the works, but will still be a few years off. I honestly don't imagine that the system will collapse anytime in the next 24 months. After that, all bets are off!


Honestly I thought it would start a train wreck after the Oct. 2008 stock market crash.

Dow went from 14,000 -> 6,600 over a 12 month period.

We are fighting a war on several fronts which is considered a bad idea by many tacticians.

The unfunded liabilities plus national debt put us somewhere north of 70 trillion ...

The derivatives monster has grown to a mind boggling $1,500 Trillion USD and if it
unspools and EVERYTHING ELSE IS FINE it "alone" while tank multiple nations.

A very small part of it unspooling caused the ppl of Iceland to put some of their
government buildings to the torch.

Firebombing ppl to death in banks in greece ???

Just like in the Great Depression there were several sucker's rallies, that is what we are seeing now.

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The big difference between now and the 1930's is we did not import almost 80% of our oil.

The other big difference is we were not funding 700+ bases in 130+ countries.

We are the new Rome, and like Rome we spent ourselves into ruin to enrich a bunch
of plutocratic oligarch fascists who totally ruined out country.

So buckle up for a bumpy ride and I am amazed it has not collapsed yet.

As for 2 years more, I seriously doubt it.




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posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 04:35 PM
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The whole thing is a criminal conspiracy and the bigest ripoff the world has ever seen!
That people actually are still walking free and even perpetrating further base crimes is mindboggeling.
The corporate scam at the very highest levels, the insider trading and conflicts of interest!
You may point to the golden age of capitalism or the current age, you will find that basically the same FAMILIES and BLOODLINES are screwing the rest of the people out of a decent life.
No matter where you go, Every country and goverment is corrupt with cronyism and hidden monopolies which set prices for most everything that you find nessessary for life!
I bet nobody told you that most real estate is 40 % over valued in the current market conditions either!
The family, the little businessman and woman,these are the victims of the corporate elite.....
Yes the money is worthless, and the excrement will hit the air circulation device soon i think.....
Is there any way we could be more prepared?
Maybe-maybe not.
Assume you lie in a large city or urban setting,most do...well whats to guarantee your silver and food wont be taken from you by force?
If the scenario you predict does happen, then a lot of people will die,and many many will suffer unmercifully.
Breakdown of the social fabric will be catastrophic for the majority of people, and not any amount of preparations (unless you spend millions on underground vaults etc) will guarantee anything.
The people who have, will be set upon by thopse who have nothing.The more people who have nothing,, the slimmer the chances youll escape unscathed from the ordeal.
We are talking some massive upheavals here...
The most buying a plot of land and making a refuge can promise is you will have a godawful time defending your stuff, and have to watch millions starve to death in the first while.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 04:36 PM
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I know why
cus we have the devil in the wh
and his minions in the senate...



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 04:37 PM
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I think the new generation of Westerners need to experience this "poverty" so that they will learn their lesson.

China learned theirs.



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posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 05:44 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong, your "socialist agitators" are in fact corporate capitalists. These economic elitists are at war with labor and regulators in the name of the "free market". So I am a bit confused by your terminology. The Fed is a group of private bankers (capitalists)...not what I would call "socialist agitators".

Privatize gains and socialize losses. Hoard the wealth or "maximize profits" is their only principle. These are not traditionally seen as socialist values.

Capitalism is not synonymous with liberty, equality or democracy.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by 2weird2live2rare2die
we have too many fat, stupid, and lazy people in the world and from a biological viewpoint they don't really deserve to live. this is why technology actually seems to hold us back as a species to an extent. if we continue to evolve alongside computers eventually we will be fused into one, and we will stop evolving as humans and begin to be something else.





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It all technologies fault !

Computers are evil !

Healthcare is evil !

Cars are evil !

I think the lazy ppl should not be getting welfare and foodstamps, and we were
warned of this by the founding fathers.

As soon ppl figure out they can vote themselves goodies it will start to crumble.

The country is dying due to parasitic decay from multiple directions.

The military industrial complex is 100's of billions per year,
and more recently over a trillion a year.

700+ bases in 130+ countries, we are the new Rome.

Out governmental buildings even look the part.

We have wall street openly ripping off pension funds, retirement funds and 401ks.

We have over 200 licenses, taxes, fees, and permits sucking the life out of
small business.

It is corrupt top to bottom, and if you think your gonna thrive in a post civilized world
I think you have delusions of invulnerability.



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posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by die_another_day
I think the new generation of Westerners need to experience this "poverty" so that they will learn their lesson.

China learned theirs.


Poverty is the result of bad management.

Wishing an ill fate on anyone is malice, evil, and all of this has been
engineered by design.



China's poverty was a result of bad management, if you look to their past they were
an amazing empire long before the British one tried to enslave the entire planet.

Now thru fractional reserve banking, the banksters, and maritime law they have
enslaved most of the planet and our puppet politicians are part of it.




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