Blast in Iranian city kills at least ten

reply to post by budski


That's exactly my point. No proof no debate. We can speculate that the easterbunny did it but that does make it true. Looks like I'm not the only one that thinks you deserve a star.

I specifically love how he refuses to provide a burden of proof, but when we disagree with him he wants us to provide proof that it didn't happen the way he says it did. If an attempt at a debate was made, he would ignore any proof provided.

Edited to ad this was in reply to adifferentbreed. Tags went wonky.

reply to post by DerbyCityLights


I've posted the Iranian response.

Please rrespond appropriately or move along.

The Iranian government and Intel services have stated that the US was behind the attack, so the burden is on you to disprove them.

reply to post by budski




As I stated earlier, the burden of proof is still on the ones making the accusations. All they have done is state an opinion...much like you. They could claim that Obama himself planted the device but without proof, it is just an accusation.

reply to post by DerbyCityLights


It's good enough for a major news source to report on - what do you want, video of the CIA agent instructing the terror cell?

You can counter claim all you want, but the fact is you're backing a losing horse, you have nothing on your side except a puerile argument, and still you persist.

I bet you're one of those guys who believed bush about OBL and WMD's - well you can't have it both ways.

As far as I' concerned this is another example of state sponsored terrorism by the US and Irans assertions back me up.

reply to post by budski


Couple of things........I never said they didn't do it, however, there is no proof either way. Do I think they did it, doesn't matter, we don't know. Do I think the CIA is squeaky clean....um, nope, not that stupid. However, again, you have no proof, none, nada, zip zilch......you made the accusations, you prove it, I have nothing to prove.

reply to post by adifferentbreed


Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I posted links on the previous page which state that the Iranian security forces have named the US as the people behind kurdish terrorists.

I am not going to derail the thread arguing about burden of proof.

You think this is an anti US thread?

Fine, but if the US didn't keep pulling these stunts we wouldn't have this kind of thread.

reply to post by budski


Well they would wouldn't they.
The Iranians want to maintain the facade that everything is sweet in Iran and that there are no dissenters.

Why do you believe Iranian media so readily and disbelieve everything from a 'western' source?

Don't you think the Iranian govermennt are capable of publishing propoganda?

Well, since you say we dont need proof, I think Iran is in cahoots with you and you and Iran did it.

And just so you know I was not a Bush supporter.

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by budski

 

Well they would wouldn't they.
The Iranians want to maintain the facade that everything is sweet in Iran and that there are no dissenters.

Why do you believe Iranian media so readily and disbelieve everything from a 'western' source?

Don't you think the Iranian govermennt are capable of publishing propoganda?

Of course they are - but given US history in these types of black ops, I'd say that the conclusion that the CIA was behind it are bang on the money - and now that has been backed up by the Iranian security services.

Is it so hard for you to believe that the CIA was involved?

Because a look at the world since WW2 would show you that you are in a minority.

reply to post by budski


I've never discounted the possibility that the CIA are ultimately responsible for this.
But there is NO evidence to support this other than the Iranian Security Service and I for one don't consider them a reliable source.

If ever PROVEN then I will be the first to say 'Hey Bud, you were right'.
But until such time it's just a theory and possibility.

I'm well aware of the CIA's previous exploits, but the USA is not the evil demagogue that is responsible for all the world's evil's as some would have us believe.
And neither is Iran.
But neither is Iran the whiter than white put upon innocent many other's would also have us believe.

reply to post by Freeborn


I would consider the Iranian intel services to be at least as honest if not more so than the US intel services - particularly as they have uncovered more than 1 CIA backed insurgent group

reply to post by budski


I have some Iranian friends who would love the CIA to give more support to Iranian dissidents, maybe then they'd be able to return to their country free from the threat of imprisonment and possible execution.

Don't forget that Iran also has a bit of history supporting various terrorist groups.

I'm not saying they still are and certainly don't support any military action being taken against them, but facts are facts.

reply to post by Freeborn


No bias from them then

Treason is still treason whichever way you cut it.

reply to post by budski


My friends are very decent, respectable, hard working people who just want to live and enjoy their lives.
They aren't militant or extreme in anything they do.
They are just a little more tolerant and independant than the current Iranian regime wants it's subjects to be.
For that they had to leave their country.
Apparently some of their friends and family weren't quite so lucky.

reply to post by budski


www.theatlantic.com...

Fidel Castro says that Iran should back off Israel and that it has a right to exist. Therefore, since he said it, it must be true.

www.independent.co.uk...

"The Sunni Muslim group, Jundollah Baluch, which Iran says has links to al-Qa'ida, is the most active. It claimed a suicide attack that killed 28 people in July after its leader was executed. " (From above article) Maybe it was al-Qa'ida! After all, Iran is #te/Persian and al-Qa'ida draws most of its recruits from Sunni Arabs. Maybe they want to settle the score.

This is a country that has several active insurgent groups that don't like the ruling party. You can take your pick as to who it was.

Originally posted by Common Good

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by Common Good
All eyes are on the US right now from Iran.

I doubt it was from our government.

That would be too easy, our government likes to trick people, not just say "ok, we did it".

False flag by the Iranians maybe?

Let me get this straight. It would be "too easy" for the American government to be involved in this attack because they usually don't accept responsibility for their clandestine insurgent operations in Iran, so therefore Iran must have bombed its own people in order to blame the Americans? You should apply for a job at CNN, they like to make up stories too

Next time you try to get something straight, get it straight.

What I am saying is that the first thing people are going to do is blame he US because we are currently having problems with them, and it would be a stupid move by the US to do so. If it was an AMERICAN false flag, it would have been bigger than "stick a time bomb up in a tree". We would have blown the place to smitheriens.
But the US is being eyed, like always, because we are everywhere in the world. But for the US to do this would be amateur hour at best.

And I didnt say that Iran committed a false flag, I asked. Big difference. Its not like they are not capable of putting a timebomb on a limb of a tree.

Maybe you should apply for a job at MSNBC.

Wow, you're pretty smart. I'm going to say this once and hopefully you will get it. I am a Canadian, I attend a university with a focus on international politics and relations and the one thing that is always discussed is how the US has always done their best to disrupt real democracy and peace in the world in order to secure their interests, usually resulting in extreme massacre. Terrorism in Iran is just another small story of CIA-lead global terrorism. I don't have to sit here and take your crap when I have an academic education that puts me on a mental level capable of understanding that people like you in your country are force-fed so much propaganda that you could never possibly understand the horrible actions you blindly support unless you ever end up at the wrong end of the sword.

So if you want to ever have a real and fair discussion with me, attend a NEUTRAL academic institution, which you cannot find in your fascist thought-manipulating country and learn yourself some real facts. People are dying from REAL terrorism in Iran, which is ONLY happening because of CIA involvement, and you're trying to say that this is not true because there aren't facts? The facts are right in front of your face, it just takes an open mind to realize that you're reading misleading news information.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


Dimitri, while I respect your education, you are not the only one to have attended higher academia. What I would like for you to show me are these facts you say are right in front of my face. It’s been a few days now since the bombing and the only facts that we have now are the same ones we had a few hours after the senseless attack occurred.

A bomb with a low tech timer exploded during a parade celebrating the beginning of the Iran Iraq war.

At least ten people were killed.

The Bomb was mounted on a tree.

Iran has accused the US of involvement although they have brought forth no proof, only accusations.

Not one single group has claimed responsibility for this bombing.

If you have facts that could constitute as proof of US involvement with this bombing, I would love to read them because as far as I can find, the facts I listed above are all that is known about this. So far, all that has been presented in this thread is opinion and speculation all mixed with a dab of anti-Americanism (edit here) just like the post below this one. Full of speculation, opinionism, false logics and anti-American sentiment.

reply to post by Freeborn


I wouldn't doubt your friends are decent people for one second.

But put the shoe on the other foot for a moment.

To use a more blatant example, was Kim Philby a traitor?
He passionately believed that what he was doing was the right thing,
He passionately believed that our system of government was wrong, and that socialist ideals were fairer for everyone.
He passionately believed that the British establishment was the same imperial monster it had been for hundreds of years in a different guise.

It always depends on which way you look at something.

The Iranian government is one of the best in the region - you want to fight for democracy and freedom? Then fight Saudi Arabia, which has the most repressive regime in the region and can in no way be described as a democracy.

Iran is not the threat to world peace that we are constantly told it is - the real threat to world peace is the US/UK alliance which bombards us with propaganda on an hourly basis, telling us what to think, how to think it, who the bad guys are etc etc

They do this all the time, and they are lying to us - they have lied about Iran since the 1950's, they lied about the revolution in Iran which overthrew the puppet shah, they lied about the Iran/Iraq war, they lie about what is happening in Iran, they lie about Irans terrorist links, they lie about nuclear capabilities, they lie about our involvement in Iran, they say nothing about our own western state sponsored terrorism.

The CIA has a long and bloody history of sponsoring terrorism in other countries - they are not freedom fighters, and if someone did the same to them they would respond with massive military force, and we in the UK help them do it, so we are just as much to blame.

The hypocrisy that goes hand in hand with their actions is truly astonishing - I haven't bought into their lies, filth and corruption for many years, I only wish others would open their eyes to the suffering that is caused in their names.

reply to post by Common Good


The US invaded two neighbors of Iran, that says much about the games they are playing. Have you ever played chess?

The problem in this scenario is, that US can use Afghanistan and Iraq as bases to conduct operation in Iran, but the US go full hands in both countries, because Iran is using Iran as base to conduct operation in both countries causing thousands of deaths to American soldiers. Such attacks are usually used to test the grounds, it is called analysis of the situation in the ground, hence how will Iran respond, then record that, then conduct another attack, how will Iran respond, then record it. That gives a clearer picture in regards to Iran.

US is screwed either way, this is tit, wait for tat just analysis

In the end, only normal people with families will get hurt.

Originally posted by budski

The Iranian government is one of the best in the region

One of the best governments in the region ok that then hear are the actions of one of the best governments in the region.

Suntanned women to be arrested under Islamic dress code

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An Iranian woman who'd already been condemned to death faces another sentence of 99 lashes because of a case of mistaken identity in a photograph, according to foes of the execution.

Iranian authorities imposed the sentence after they saw the photo of a woman without a head scarf in a newspaper, the International Committee Against Stoning, a human rights group, said Friday.cnn

Ashtiani, 42, will be buried up to her chest, according to an Amnesty International report citing the Iranian penal code. The stones that will be hurled at her will be large enough to cause pain but not so large as to kill her immediately.

Ashtiani, who is from the northern city of Tabriz, was convicted of adultery in 2006.

She was forced to confess after being subjected to 99 lashes, human rights lawyer Mohammad Mostafaei said Thursday in a telephone interview from Tehran.cnn

Yes, now there is a government any one in there right mind would want to have. That statement was sarcasm for any one who believed it.