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That Mexicans (the Mexhtli) where there on the land of what is now the western states of the USA BEFORE it was even an idea
as you guys were just sitting down eating corn, and fearing gods wrath, long after the Mexicans had built some of the greatest structures in the world.
"The Spaniards who conquered the Aztecs and all the territory now known as Mexico laid claim to territories that are now a part of the Western U.S., but they never controlled those territories. When people from the U.S. moved into these areas, the Spaniards who controlled Mexico tried to tell them what to do, but did not have the ability to back up their claims"
Long Before America Was Even An Idea
To state your case offering language as evidence, then I am please to see that the inhabitants of the USA are proud to call themselves British first and foremost.
The land to the west of the united states was taken over by the Mexican government after the recognition of independence.
is the attitude by US citizens towards Mexicans, where here or there, that casts them as a lower form of life, and a second class people, not worthy of respect or credit in anything that they have done, but more over to be treated like vermin.
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Aggie Man
and the illegals still thinks themselves uniquely mexican now that they are living here in america never bothering to follow its laws its rule or its customs or culture or language
Originally posted by poet1b
but even more they like us for our character, our willingness to stand up to authority, and lack of pretentiousness.
Originally posted by StrangeTimez
C'mon people. This isnt about RACE. Its about fear mongering and power. America is a Land built by immigrants for immigrants. This the land of the free and home of the brave. Not land of the racist home of the scared. Stop being so ignorant.
The point about the Zapatistas is that they were treated by the ruling families of Mexico the same way they have always been treated when demanding their fair rights. Your interpretation of history is still nothing but a fantasy.
No, Mexicans don't consider themselves Spanish first, and I never claimed this. Like Irish Americans, or Italian Americans they consider themselves American first, and whatever heritage second. Most Mexicans consider themselves Mexican first, and Spanish second, unless of course they have some association with a Native culture, which is less likely.
Wrong, at least not any of the Mexicans I have known. They have nothing but contempt for Aztecs, and look down upon them as inferior people. They will push the Native American angle when it serves them, but consider themselves to be Spanish first.
Mexico's War of aggression was encouraged by the British, who, after their humiliating loss in New Orleans, were not ever about to attack the U.S. again.
The Mexicans thought they could defeat the U.S., and in fact had ambitions of annexing New Orleans. Then they were defeated in one of the most lopsided wars in the history of war. Then everyone forgot about Mexico's aggression and ambition.
You are not aware of how anyone appears, you are too blinded by your ideology.
Um, all the territories desired to join the U.S.. After the Mexican American war, many Mexicans wanted to join the U.S.. Do you know that originally Mexico wanted to model its constitution after the U.S., but the ruling oligarchies stopped that.
The U. S. is more than capable of protecting its border, but should we loose the capability, no doubt Mexico would be happy to take advantage, as they are currently taking advantage of U.S. sympathy for the poverty in their nation. The problem is that they have taken too much advantage, and now the people of the U.S. are starting to take action.
My experience is just the opposite of yours, and I live in the U.S. where there is far more interaction between Mexicans and U.S. citizens, and I have been to Mexico enough to see how things are, and have had many frank conversation with Mexicans in Mexico.
Here is the kicker, you claim that Americans all treat Mexicans badly, and that the fault is all on the American, where I have never claimed Mexicans are all, or mostly, jerks as you have claimed about Americans. All I have done is point out your historical inaccuracies and bigotry.
The Mexican attitude towards the U.S. is easily summed up at this. What is yours is ours, what is ours is ours.
Your bias is clear in your portrayal of Americans, of history, and so the ethnic make up of Mexico. No doubt you will continue to cling to it.
Most Mexicans and South Americans interpret "gusto" as I like, and know exactly what I am talking about. Also, my statement was about Latin American culture, which includes all the countries south of Mexico as well. Colombia is much more fun.
Mexican leaders clearly expected to win these battles as well as to recover Texas and win the war. Parades spoke grandly of occupying New Orleans and Mobile. His army of about 32,000 men was four to six times the size of the original U.S. army. Furthermore, Mexican troops were well armed, disciplined, and, above all, experienced in scores of revolutions. Parades also counted on logistics. The principal theater of war would be Texas, hundreds of miles from the populous areas of the United States. Many Centralists believed that abolitionists' objections to the war would demoralize the United States, and some Centralists believed a Mexican invasion would be supported by a massive slave uprising.
Thus, the quick defeats at Palo Alto and Resaca de la Palma surprised and shocked the Mexican leadership. The U.S. victories against a larger, better trained force were attributed to the unexpected effectiveness of the American light artillery. Parades found it expedient, however, to lay the blame on his commanding general, and he quickly replaced him. The Mexican garrison evacuated Matamoros, moving to the south.