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Are videogames training us to be soldiers?

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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 09:36 AM
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This should look realistic enough....
www.youtube.com...
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P.S. Apparently, unmanned UAV helicopter exists.....




posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 09:57 AM
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Yesterday I logged onto Modern Warfare 2 and joined a server. I equipped a tactical knife on my pistol and used the perks marathon (unlimited sprint), lightweight (move faster), and commando (longer knife stab + no falling damage). I sprinted around the map, lept off tall buildings, and proceded to stab the entire enemy team to death. After calling in a predator missle, an attack helicopter, and taking control of an apache gunship, I went over 40 kills to 4 deaths.

The Army needs to abandon the M4 and give everyone a knife and teach them to run really fast. This is what video games taught me.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 10:34 AM
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No doubt in my mind that video games can "help" create a better soldier, most world militaries use training simulators. A game that came to mind when I saw this thread was arma armed assault, the guys that made this game also make military simulators for real armies, while the civilian version is a lot more basic it still teaches viable battlefield tactics and has tons of accurate info on many modern weapons of war from small arms to main battle tanks. But no gamer should be under the illusion that because you are good at call of duty that you would make a great soldier. So my conclusion is that the right games can certainly help in the training of armed forces.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 11:11 AM
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the point is to these games is; now when to shoot, now when to move,and you do not get killed, or die! and in the near future, any one with "game experience" will be tomorrows soldier, think of "mech warrior", or "Ah 64 long bow", and do not for get "TANK wars", fly a f15 16 18 35 22 18 b52 b2 or a f117 from your home get "killed" just restart game,and get a new "ROV/ Droid" so yes we are being "programed for the next "war" just on steroids, you think the "terminator" was a bad a$$, that was just a taste of what is to come, the first movie "Term" not the others, and as far as "robo cop" not, nope, no way,i see mind controlled, were you think and it responds ??? could be.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 11:21 AM
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just thought of this, how would you get a million man army, control it through the web, ROV and Droid, think of a "mech warrior" with out the "host" in side, but rather from a comp term at your home, get payed to play, the ultimate video game, kill for real, but you do not die, blow things up, they do get blown up, how cool would that be, fight a war,from you home, or from work.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by DeReK DaRkLy
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they turn us into trigger-happy zombies who have nothing better to do than shoot and blow stuff up for hours at a time.

Perfect for what the government uses soldiers for these days.



sounds pretty cool to me and i don't even play video games. i would love to sit around shooting junked cars and blowing up old washing machines. i played a lot of mario kart as a kid, does that mean i have been trained as a professional driver? if you ever look into your rearview and see a car surrounded by red turtle shells you better get out of the way fast. and never run over a banana peel.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by Awory
Yesterday I logged onto Modern Warfare 2 and joined a server. I equipped a tactical knife on my pistol and used the perks marathon (unlimited sprint), lightweight (move faster), and commando (longer knife stab + no falling damage). I sprinted around the map, lept off tall buildings, and proceded to stab the entire enemy team to death. After calling in a predator missle, an attack helicopter, and taking control of an apache gunship, I went over 40 kills to 4 deaths.

The Army needs to abandon the M4 and give everyone a knife and teach them to run really fast. This is what video games taught me.



LOL

what i have learned is that when you get shot repeatedly you get mad scream at the enemy and throw your gun and break it



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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You might read my other posts and notice that i do know something about fps.
But i don't think that it will help me in extreme situations (except for quick thinking... but these are traits you can improve without video games).

What might help is my training with swords because they are real and i can touch them. If you own a gun and have been using it, yes.

But video games ? The most successful "realistic" game out there is one where wooden crates can take any kind of fire power you can throw at it.

Now, I'd like to see some CS bread people hide behind wooden crates in a real fight...



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 11:36 AM
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I doubt "doom" taught me how to be a soldier. I quit video gaming when the instruction books went past ten pages. I prefer a good book frankly...though WofW was fun for a while, then people took it way, way too seriously...plus I kept dieing.

So to answer your question? I doubt it. Reality and gaming don't generally mesh all that well.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 11:37 AM
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If video games were being used to condition people , then everyone from the 80's would be running around in the dark, eating pills, and avoiding ghosts.

Games like all media stem from current events. Today's events are war heavy, so naturally games are war heavy as well. Not so much conditioning, more of a supply demand thing.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 11:43 AM
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And the other thing is that, if video games were used to condition people, surely, for several years we should have been seeing reports of subliminal messages beeing implanted in those previously mentionned games ?

So, where are the reports of subliminal messages in games ?



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 01:56 PM
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Have you ever watched a Bruce Lee movie and walked out into the street feeling invincible? Well watching too many martial arts movies would make at least 30% (if not more) of the youth today believe they have some sort of martial arts experience. Ever watched pumping Iron and left your couch feeling like you just put on an extra 10 pounds of muscle?...It's all psychological. This is what games do, the kids these days actually believe they would survive in such situations and are experienced enough for modern day warfare. A large majority of them would not hesitate to squeeze the trigger if they felt threatened. Just like WWF/E...back in the day everyone wanted to wrestle and it lead to a few broken bones here and there and even a few deaths. Just my 2 cents.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by Awory
Yesterday I logged onto Modern Warfare 2 and joined a server. I equipped a tactical knife on my pistol and used the perks marathon (unlimited sprint), lightweight (move faster), and commando (longer knife stab + no falling damage). I sprinted around the map, lept off tall buildings, and proceded to stab the entire enemy team to death. After calling in a predator missle, an attack helicopter, and taking control of an apache gunship, I went over 40 kills to 4 deaths.

The Army needs to abandon the M4 and give everyone a knife and teach them to run really fast. This is what video games taught me.


My ribs



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by Awory
Yesterday I logged onto Modern Warfare 2 and joined a server. I equipped a tactical knife on my pistol and used the perks marathon (unlimited sprint), lightweight (move faster), and commando (longer knife stab + no falling damage). I sprinted around the map, lept off tall buildings, and proceded to stab the entire enemy team to death. After calling in a predator missle, an attack helicopter, and taking control of an apache gunship, I went over 40 kills to 4 deaths.

The Army needs to abandon the M4 and give everyone a knife and teach them to run really fast. This is what video games taught me.


I also logged on to Modern Warfare 2 today

Equipping myself with dual wielded UMP sub machine guns, and dual wielding Model 1887 shotguns, and adding the lightweight pro, ninja pro and marathon pro perks, as well as equipping myself with flash bangs and a frag grenade, I ended up going 85 kills and 9 deaths over 3 rounds, all helped by the added bonus of controlling a predator missile, then a Harrier, and finally, 3 cannons on an AC-130 gunship. Of course, the little red indicators over enemy players helped me to blow their asses to pieces...repeatedly.

I think the army needs to find countries between the levels 1 and 25, as noobs tend to absolutely suck at facing the fury of a dual wielding, sprinting, flash banging, ninja like opponent. That would be as realistic as the OP's idea gets



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 02:46 PM
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Again, the best philosophy gets no stars or flags?


great thinking bud, 1+1 = 2


the elite dont shape this world we live in for no reason...... Simulation... they arn't just video games anymore.


The future is planned, this world is ruled. In a perfect world things wouldn't make me this sick.

For me to know and for you to find out.... even the new halo reach tells you (The are people who shape, make, and spin your world every single day and you have no idea the exist, but they're needed.)






like comon guys, we've been talking on these forums for years about if our governments have made contact with alians and if they're now helping to shape our world, if this is true, which i believe because again 1+1=2 and if you can't do the math there then thats your problem. but seriously, if time travel, aliens, bla bla bla all exist, everything is prepared and premade, Our youth is downing in simulation driving/flying/fighting games untill the day they need to be callled



LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING

who is going to do better?

CPL, CAL-i Counter-Strike pro, who has been playing, creating stratigies with his clan, and running tactics 8 hours a day on a simulation shooting game for 6 years straight?

or someone who has been sitting at home, watching action movies for 6 years?


dont be stupid...... Mr.Counter-Strike, Call Of Duty, or HALO, has been running simulation after simulation after simulation of different situations they could incounter, and with that much expeirance under their belt, they no longer have to think about the right choise, they automatically know which is the right choise and they will make that choise faster then someone who hasn't been running simulation after simulation after simulation.



I believe video games are shaping the future. It would be ignorant to think else wise. If i controlled a planet, this is the only reason i would ever release video games. Training and Distracting.




edit on 22-9-2010 by WanderingThe3rd because: spelling



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 02:49 PM
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you guys aren't thinking...


perks in MW2, apply to peoples abilities in real life


THey're people with more stamina then others, who can run faster then others, who have more knife control then others, who are a faster shooter, quicker scooper, all these perks come from legit idea's.....


of course commando pro is a little bitch. but you people need realize things,..... lightweight....smallersoilder can move faster..... marathon pro..... soilder with ALOT of stamina....




and if you want to complain about the "fake ness" of cod, go play Counter-strike where you even have to control your recoil, you wont make it a weeeek


edit on 22-9-2010 by WanderingThe3rd because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 02:56 PM
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Can you tell me what real life situation the following perks apply to

Sit Rep perk: makes enemy footsteps louder + can detect enemy tactical insertions

Last Stand perk: allows you to survive a normal death, and you pull out your pistol when you "die"

Scrambler perk: delays claymore explosions and jams enemy radar in your vicinity

Danger close perk- Resistence to explosives and increases air support damage

Cold Blooded perk- Undetectable by UAV, air support, Sentry Guns, and thermal

I look forward to see how you apply this to real life situations



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman
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Can you tell me what real life situation the following perks apply to

Sit Rep perk: makes enemy footsteps louder + can detect enemy tactical insertions

Last Stand perk: allows you to survive a normal death, and you pull out your pistol when you "die"

Scrambler perk: delays claymore explosions and jams enemy radar in your vicinity

Danger close perk- Resistence to explosives and increases air support damage

Cold Blooded perk- Undetectable by UAV, air support, Sentry Guns, and thermal

I look forward to see how you apply this to real life situations


you gotta think for yourself dude, this is sad.... use those electrons buddy.

SitRep.... They already such tech in helmets.
LastStand, you were shoot but not killed yet, pretty easy one to figure out no?....
Scrambler..... They have tech like this.... man you gotta research. there is a reason its called modarnwarefare
DangerClose, is not RESISTENCE TO EXPLOSIVES, do you even play? lol.... danger close is also a REAL TERM.
more tech.

I'm not saying these are exact, alot of them have been uplifted, and exaggerated, but they're all based of something real.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 03:04 PM
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Gee, I coulda sworn games were put out as fun? The designers do it to get filthy stinkin' rich? But it's all about control, huh?

How does playing Mario Kart 5555 (or whatever it's called) help in controlling the world?



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 03:05 PM
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And not to mention, wait untill the army is done all the exoskeleton suits and we're looking like master cheif.

I wonder who will be able to handle themselves in a suit thats coming to give them the abilites of a spartan..... hrmmm maybe someone thats been playing as one since the simulator first came out... DING DING DINGGG.



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