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posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 08:43 PM
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Clearly we are deep into this global meltdown. Countries like Greece are already facing severe civil unrest as the population grows angered by the banking cartels nefarious business dealings. Link

I've been studying Gandhi and I think it's the best model for action.

Gandhi wiki article

Essentially the message is. Self sufficiency (grow your own food, make your own clothes), economic pressure (boycott foreign goods), peaceful non-compliance

gandhi quotes



"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall — think of it, always." "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?" "There are many causes that I am prepared to die for but no causes that I am prepared to kill for."


The banks may take your house but you sit there and resist. Be fearless and stand your ground.

As the USA turns to tyranny many people will be persecuted, the militias, the ex-military, tea party members, the so called conspiracy theorists, muslims. We need to resist. They may kill us but in the age of the internet, every abuse will be seen by all. Your cell phone camera and your internet savvy can show the world in an instant where tyranny exists. When a policeman brutalizes a citizen, show the world. When a bank forecloses on a family, make yourself heard. Resist. Protest. The media cant ignore you forever and once your story is out there it will have a life of it's own. We can all be martyrs without being murderers. We can stick to our morals in the face of an unethical world. We can change the tide of opinion simply by showing that we stand for sanity and freedom Those that stand for eugenics and depopulation may be killing us but they are a minority and we are legion.



"Gandhi guarded against attracting to his satyagraha movement those who feared to take up arms or felt themselves incapable of resistance. 'I do believe,' he wrote, 'that where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.'


I was very interested to learn that Gandhi was a self-described philosophical anarchist. I have always felt strongly that systems of control are by their very nature an evil practice. Anarchy is often demonized as a uncontrollable mess but wouldn't it be preferable to a hardcore police state? Most people wouldn't want to hurt anyone, they just want to live and love and eat and sleep. Anarchists could live in peace and freedom. The people who are violent criminals are a small minority, the ones who are dumb wind up in prison, the ones who are clever wind up in power. It's ridiculous to let a small minority of sociopaths dominate the majority of peaceful freedom loving members of the human family. I can really see why David Icke concocts this mythology that they are somehow not even human. These sociopaths must be reptilian to have so little empathy for the less fortunate right?




posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 08:53 PM
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Nice post


I have to say though it doesn't take a lot to make the Greeks protest, It's a pretty rare day in Greece when someone isn't protesting about something from fires to stolen antiques


I think a big part of the problem isn't that people don't see these injustices it's that people don't connect that injustice to their own lives.
Michael Moor made a film over two decades ago that showed banks foreclosing on peoples homes on Christmas eve, people being thrown out into the streets with nowhere to go, and most of the public reaction to it was "Michael Moor is a bleeding heart liberal" "these people were obviously lazy spongers"
If anything I think we need to deal with peoples lack of empathy for their common man, something that Gandhi had a lot of





edit on 20-9-2010 by davespanners because: bad spelling



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 08:55 PM
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My friend,

First, nice post. Your points are on target. Second, I am working a Plan.

Please visit the link at the bottom of my post.

If you already have, what do you think?

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 09:05 PM
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three things can be done to fix this problem
first stop illegal foreclosure


stop making payments untill bank shows you the note of morgage that they have already sold



support your local growers and manufacturers

anti globalization helps the environment because all goods get shipped and this damages the environment

when the bank cant show the note it is illegal to ask for monthly payments and you cant get removed untill they do

all this extra money you dont pay the banks will stimulate the economy (local)
all this locally spent money ends up in banks

only bank with local small banks which help loan to main street
the big banks are using your money like a casino
the smaller banks will lend again and prosperity will occour

xploder



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 09:29 PM
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wow IAMIAM I went to your thread and your story was brutal. I'm impressed you have such a positive outlook despite being systematically mistreated.

I gotta say it was somewhat inspirational. I'm a really negative person and often cant stop the feeling that life has always sucked, sucks now, and will continue to suck into the future, life sucks and then you die was my motto for years. I have had what must be one of the hardest, most painful, most worthless lifes that a man can live. I've always lived in poverty. I was sexually abused at age 5. Physically and mentally abused for years by bullies all through grade school and high school. Ive been betrayed by people who I thought were my friends or lovers. I haven't been able to have a relationship or find work in my field in years. I've been conned out of all my money by scam artists. Lost 2 houses to the depression. I've lived with bi-polar and paranoia and survived drug addiction.

I am just royally F'd up BUT...
It's made me a stronger smarter more focused individual. Hardship makes men. Excess makes monsters.



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 09:40 PM
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My friend,

There are thousands if not millions like you and me. We are made to think we are alone because it is not cool to share our troubles. Those days are over or our troubles will get worse for our descendants.

Stand up Be a King. Are you a King?

Help get the word out Brother. Time to take this planet back for all Man.

Thank you for sharing. Much love and respect to you.

Judge not, love all, be at peace.

With Love,

Your Brother


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posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 09:40 PM
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So you think that the people that do not pay their mortgage should be able to keep the home for free?



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 09:46 PM
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Yes!!!

Any man who thinks another should sleep in the streets while we have abundant resources to house them all is not human. No my friend, he is possessed by something else.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 09:49 PM
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i think that the courts should enforce the law as it stands as banks would do the same to you by foreclosing
on your house and selling it for bellow market rate which acually lowers the value of houses for all
i dont think anyone should get anything for free but if what the banks are doing is illegel and there are too many people to prosicute then the only way to reform lending practice is to follow the letter of the law

banks screw people everyday
if that money was in your hands you would spend it right?
if that money was in the bank they would gamble it on derivitives

if you bank that money with small local banks they will make loans

it complex i know but thuink of it like this

america is families in houses
not banks with empty houses

xploder

ps you wanted solutions this is a mojor one google MERS fraud (because its fraud against you)



posted on Sep, 21 2010 @ 12:17 AM
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I know the banks would foreclose on me if I quit paying, thats why I pay my mortgages. I would not buy something I couldn't afford.

I know they sell them for well below fair market, because I buy these houses on a daily basis for pennies on the dollar. They also sell the mortgages that control the properties.

People who sign for a mortgage, put the property they are buying up as collateral with the understanding that if they don't pay, they will lose that property. I don't see what is so difficult about that. People always want to say " I didn't know," I would think if you were going to take on the responsibility of buying a home and the financial burden that comes along with it you would educate yourself before jumping in with both feet. Its your responsibility to look out for your best interest, you can not trust someone to make the best decision for you.



posted on Sep, 21 2010 @ 04:49 AM
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to me business is business
if the banks who used the fraudulent mers system loses money then they should have done due
dillagence prior to listing the morgage

you wouldnt buy a house without checking out the tittle would you?

if a house is illegally foreclosed on who benifits?

xploder



posted on Sep, 21 2010 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by topdog30
So you think that the people that do not pay their mortgage should be able to keep the home for free?


It seems to me that this housing bubble was created by the banks. Why put the blame on someone who made the house loan? They had a good job to pay their mortgage before the crash. The bankers caused the crash because of disaster capitalism. They are letting the market rise so people will invest and then crashing it with market manipulation to make a huge profit. Wash rinse repeat. At the same time they set things up so all the jobs go overseas due to unfair trade agreements. They cut hours and lay off people until a skeleton crew is working hard to do the job of 3 times as many employees just to keep their low paying job. It ensures profit for the big monopolies and the banksters and ensures that the middle class of the USA is destroyed. It has been destroyed. I talk to people every day at work, the general public, and I ask them all about two things. money and health. here's what I see.

1 in 7 Americans are living in poverty. Deep poverty. Reliant on the government for food stamps. Struggling to make a living with a part time minimum wage job. People are suffering. 50% of people 16-24 are unemployed. The government admits to nearly 10% for adults but in some groups like construction its much worse.

everyone has cancer or knows someone with it. Cancer. It's everywhere. Cave men didn't get cancer. People in the 50's didn't get cancer. This started to get really noticeable in the 90's at about the same time as chem trails started. hmm. go figure.

So in conclusion. Yes. Keep your house at all costs. Society keeps telling us its OK for the bankers and globalist corporatist elite to take away all the wealth of the USA but it's not OK. lets simplify things. lets make a story about a simpler time

grog the cave man doesn't have a cave but he is a good hunter/gatherer. Utok the cave man has a cave but is lazy and doesn't like doing the laborious work of hunting/gathering. So Grog and Utok make a deal. Grog provides a portion of his food to Utok in exchange for shelter in Utoks cave. Utok eventually has far more food than he needs and decides he doesn't need Grog anymore and doesn't like having another smelly cave man in his cave. In fact Utok is poisoning Grog so he cannot hunt for himself anymore. Finally he kicks grog out to die in the wilderness. this is whats happening in the USA.



posted on Sep, 21 2010 @ 06:09 PM
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here is another solution

the fact that only congress can coin money and that the fed is doing that job for you but charging interest on every dollar created means that you dont own the money in your pocket and if it stays there to long the interest eats up the value
germany before ww2 was one poor country untill it removed the central bank then like majic in 5 or 6 years the value of there money skyrocketed

ever woundered why americans pay tax?
its because the amount of money earned by coining money as a cheque of the back of the people is huge
enought to pay for govenment

ever wounder why printing more money puts you in further debt?
its because the more thats out there the more interest you have to pay

without the fed marking up interest rates as a middle man you could loan yourself money at 1 or 2 % and still the amount of expansion would be 1 or 2 % inflation

perfect balence

xploder



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 01:38 AM
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well just like Germany. We need to remove the central bank from the equation. Remove all banks. Work under the table. Don't pay taxes. Barter, trade, sell services. Make your own goods. Grow your own food.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 05:44 AM
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first comes a problem
then comes a solution
then comes a change
then the change spreads
then the change is made normal

education of point of veiw as a potential changing factor

education of the underlying issiues devoid of the destraction of everyday issiues

find a problem
create a solution
be the first to change
help spread the change
the change changes everything

third solution

get to know people again
in our lives we live day to day with lots of people we know nothing about
get to know each other outside of their function in your life
smile at someone
talk to someone
find a person that challenges your point of veiw
at the very lest you will be reminded of why you feel so strongly

only when we give others a peice of ourselfs can we have all the peices to live our lives

xploder



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