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Were Adam and Eve murdered by God?

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posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 04:13 PM
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Were Adam and Eve murdered by God?

Genesis 3;22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

I read this as God breaking His word by putting condition in place that make it impossible for Adam and Eve to do what He commanded them to do in Gen2;16.

Genesis 2;16
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: ------This would include the tree of life.
17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Thus, they did not lose their lives.
God forced them to die by locking up the tree of life.


This situation is analogous to you or I finding our child bleeding to death, and hiding the tourniquet that would save it‘s life.
In our real world, we would be found guilty of murder and deservedly so. I think that this would be a monstrous act by any person.
God did exactly that in Genesis3;24 by the denial of the tree of life. If under our secular law, God would be found guilty of premeditated murder the same way we would be in my tourniquet scenario..

This shows a jealous, vindictive, criminal God who would also deny man extremely vital information that man must have for moral growth and to be able to rise above the common beasts. The knowledge of good and evil. The source of our moral sense.
Our moral sense is basically the only factor that places us above what we call dumb animals.

Many read Genesis and it’s cautionary tale in a literal way and if so, the literal Word condemns God as stated above.
If not read literally and as myth, it still shows God in an evil light and I frankly do not know if the writer would denigrate God just to give us some other moral message.

Genesis, in the garden as well as elsewhere, shows a sadistic unjust God who is quick to trample on man’s free will and I do not think that free will enters into the why of the story of Adam and Eve but I do refer to it in the link below.

As a Deist without a creator God, my interest in Adam and Eve and how God dealt with them is in the morality of the situation and I question strongly the notion that God was behaving in a moral way. If you could respond with your moral view I would appreciate it.

The punishment revolves around the notion that Adam and Eve should not have disobeyed God’s command to not eat of the tree of knowledge. God had already declared that that tree was good. This is confirmed here.

Genesis 3; 6
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Without first eating of the tree that would teach her what good and evil meant, it would be impossible for Eve to know that the tree was good for food or indeed that to die, the punishment for eating of it, was evil. Another reason for not taking scriptures literally because knowing good and evil before eating of the knowledge of good and evil makes no sense at all. Regardless of this fact, one must wonder why, if the tree was already good and desirable for wisdom, why God would introduce a Satan or talking snake to tempt Eve. Good drama I guess. Why punish man for becoming wise is also a good question. Surely He could not have wanted man to remain or go through life without wisdom or less wisdom that He said the talking serpent possessed.

I include here other view and perspectives for your perusal, entertainment or enlightenment.

www.youtube.com...

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My question then is this.

Did God set conditions in Eden for His eventual murder of Adam and Eve, through His denial of the tree of life, after breaking his word to them as to their being able to eat from it?

Regards
DL




posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 04:32 PM
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www.thechronicleproject.org...

www.thechronicleproject.org...

www.thechronicleproject.org...



The first 3 links are to the newly discovered Self Defining Hebrew or SDH system which was built into the ancient Hebrew language by its creator(s). They are the new version of the history of Adam and Eve

Link to the eitire book: www.thechronicleproject.org...

I have read all the content on the site and I am still in Awe.


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posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 04:52 PM
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I think the part about the burning sword, that he was describing the desquising of the garden, through a stargate. I think theres a lot anyone could take from it.



posted on Sep, 21 2010 @ 12:31 AM
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God knows a spirit doesn't "die".

Only the body does.

You speak of death as somehow that's a BAD thing????

I'm looking forward to the day the Lord calls me home off this wretched and cursed planet.



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by SWCCFAN
www.thechronicleproject.org...

www.thechronicleproject.org...

www.thechronicleproject.org...



The first 3 links are to the newly discovered Self Defining Hebrew or SDH system which was built into the ancient Hebrew language by its creator(s). They are the new version of the history of Adam and Eve

Link to the eitire book: www.thechronicleproject.org...

I have read all the content on the site and I am still in Awe.


edit on 20-9-2010 by SWCCFAN because: add text, and for other purposes



This may interest you then.

www.youtube.com...

www.dailymotion.com...

Regards
DL



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Greatest I am
 


God knows a spirit doesn't "die".

Only the body does.

You speak of death as somehow that's a BAD thing????

I'm looking forward to the day the Lord calls me home off this wretched and cursed planet.



Quite the judgment of the works that scripture says God created perfect.

Shows how little faith you have so I would want to hang around a bit because from the little you seem to know of God, you will end in hell.
God is a great creator, not the loser you see.

Regards
DL



posted on Sep, 23 2010 @ 10:38 PM
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God said that about the Earth BEFORE the fall, it's been under a curse since that day.

Do you ever actually READ your Bible??



posted on Sep, 24 2010 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Greatest I am
 


God said that about the Earth BEFORE the fall, it's been under a curse since that day.

Do you ever actually READ your Bible??


Sure do. Do you?

If so then this should be easy for you.

Why would God curse any of his perfect works?
This following logic trail says that all of His works will always stay perfect.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Nothing emanating from God can ever go to imperfection just the way He cannot.
God, at no point in time on His perfection time line is ever going to see imperfection. Right?

Regards
DL



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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I think they were actually expelled from Eden as a punishment for having eaten the defended fruit that may symbolize full use of psychic abilities or " witchcraft" that make them " god like so the punishment was becoming mortal.

So indirectly God made them mortal hence subject to death.



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by Matteus
I think they were actually expelled from Eden as a punishment for having eaten the defended fruit that may symbolize full use of psychic abilities or " witchcraft" that make them " god like so the punishment was becoming mortal.

So indirectly God made them mortal hence subject to death.


If you are a parent, is it not your wish that your children will become as you and even better?
I hope so.
If that is the case, why would God be disappointed when his children became as God's knowing good and evil?
This is what gives us our moral sense and I know of few who would reject their moral sense.

The Jews and Hebrew, the writers of the O T saw Eden as man's elevation as they did not read scripture literally. Yet literalist fools call Eden man's fall. Sick.

Regards
DL



posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 11:00 AM
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I would like to put a completely new slant on this story, if i may.
God did not punish Adam and Eve.
Knowledge removed them from god.
God is always here.
It was not god doing any of the talking, it was the serpent, a snake in the grass.

Think of the first 2 years of life, totally innocent babes.
Babies are like Adam and Eve, they know nothing (empty of knowledge).
Knowledge is not what you are, knowledge is collectable, by whom?
What are you without knowledge?
When you find the answer, you will return to paradise.
And be one with god.

Adam and Eve never were separate from god and neither are we.
Just a story believed, told by a serpent.
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posted on Mar, 2 2011 @ 11:18 AM
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All stories believed are told by the serpent, not just in Adam and Eves day, but now, right now!
The mind, the great story teller, it loves to tell stories, tempts you away from home, here and now.
Here and now (nowhere) is where god lives.
'He' can not live in the dark.
Gods light can not shine on then, when and there.
These are figments of our imagination, stories.
Only 'this' is.



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by Greatest I am
 


I would like to put a completely new slant on this story, if i may.
God did not punish Adam and Eve.
Knowledge removed them from god.
God is always here.
It was not god doing any of the talking, it was the serpent, a snake in the grass.

Think of the first 2 years of life, totally innocent babes.
Babies are like Adam and Eve, they know nothing (empty of knowledge).
Knowledge is not what you are, knowledge is collectable, by whom?
What are you without knowledge?
When you find the answer, you will return to paradise.
And be one with god.

Adam and Eve never were separate from god and neither are we.
Just a story believed, told by a serpent.
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I guess the talking snakes is not up on the latest science. Neither are you it seems.

This child is not 2.

edmonton.ctv.ca...

Regards
DL



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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I wonder if you read any of the comments under the article.
We are pure intelligence, one with god, all seeing and all knowing in the moment. Babies only know of this moment. We, and originally Adam and Eve, have been given the fake (delusion) knowledge of past and future. We believe in somewhere else and some when else. We are split, fragmented.
Babies just are.
You can see god shinning brightly in babies, even animal babies.
We are born into the world as pure love, no wonder it pains to see pain.
How do we know if babies fear yellow squares? They won't take their eyes off them.
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posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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They weren't murdered by God. When "When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died." -Genesis 5:3-5

It was a way of explaining why people die. Death is the natural part of life. If people didn't die there would be overpopulation until we taxed the planet's space and resources. It would be unsustainable.
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posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by BodhiSeeker
They weren't murdered by God. When "When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died." -Genesis 5:3-5

It was a way of explaining why people die. Death is the natural part of life. If people didn't die there would be overpopulation until we taxed the planet's space and resources. It would be unsustainable.
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So what is the tree of life and why did God break his covenant that said A & E could eat of it?

Regards
DL



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Greatest I am
 


God knows a spirit doesn't "die".

Only the body does.

You speak of death as somehow that's a BAD thing????

I'm looking forward to the day the Lord calls me home off this wretched and cursed planet.



I think this is the first time we agree on a subject.....touche my friend



posted on Mar, 3 2011 @ 05:01 PM
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Like I said it was a way for people to come up with an explanation on why we have to die.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 07:37 AM
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We are each, leaves on the tree of life. Unfortunately, we hold a belief that we are separate from the tree (of life).
The belief that we are separate, turns us into the (un)dead. Like vampires we 'live' in the dark, unable to see the light. There is no light in the past or future because they don't really exist, only as a thought.
Thought, if believed, is the serpent that takes us away from the kingdom of heaven, which is right now and right here.
Not many know of this heavenly place. Humans can only deal with duality, opposites, past and future. But god lives nowhere (now-here), so there really is nowhere to go to find him. All knowledge leads us away, tricks us into believing we know. Just realize that the mind doesn't know. It tries to know, that what minds do. Minds are good for practical things. Accept that we do not know, stop believing and paradise will be revealed. It will be seen that you never left the tree of life, you are life.
God never abandoned or punished us (or Adam and Eve). We abandoned him.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Greatest I am
 


God knows a spirit doesn't "die".

Only the body does.

You speak of death as somehow that's a BAD thing????

I'm looking forward to the day the Lord calls me home off this wretched and cursed planet.



I think this is the first time we agree on a subject.....touche my friend


I see two who do not recognize the perfection we live in and think the earth cursed. How foolish and shot sighted.

Regards
DL



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