I, personally, have more respect for those that openly oppose my lifestyle than those that champion my right to die for my country while denying my right to marry. I'm more comfortable being outright despised than I am being sold a second class citizenship in return for my vote.
If the choice is between traditional religiously intolerant bigots and "read the fine print concerning equality" liars, I'll continue to "waste" my votes on hopeless third parties.

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Originally posted by 23refugee
I, personally, have more respect for those that openly oppose my lifestyle than those that champion my right to die for my country while denying my right to marry.

- Don't ask/Don't tell
- Gay Mariage

One battle at a time, refugee. The political capital is very near empty and you can't sit idly by on the sidelines and take cheap shots at those who are fighting for your rights and at the same time complain they haven't done more.

Log Cabin Republican?

Originally posted by DaMod
Well really this probably will have no effect...

Most straight males just don't like gays. They don't. Not saying its right, not saying its wrong just stating the fact that most straight men will recoil and become repulsed once finding out another man is a homosexual.

Of course Lesbians have nothing to worry about.

Speak for yourself. You may be disgusted and use homosexual slurs to insult people, but I dont. I'm a straight man and I have no hate or disgust for gay men.

You have shown your own true colors with your post.

While I don't really understand homosexuality (at least with guys...girls I get...they like what I like...) myself...., just how do you make a law that is unenforceable? I mean, it's already illegal to have sex in public, so any kind of homosexual act would be done in private, and kind of difficult to arrest someone on what you "assume" they are doing behind closed doors.... (and then, how do you define (legally) a homosexual act?)

Just idiotic soapboxing really....and defeating their own chances for elections....

Most straight males just don't like gays. They don't. Not saying its right, not saying its wrong just stating the fact that most straight men will recoil and become repulsed once finding out another man is a homosexual.

Repulsed by the act, sure....but not repulsed by the person. If a person has proven he or she can be a good friend to me, their sexual orientation is not my concern. It's not like I think the guy is suddenly out for my bod or anything...(and if he is, 1) I'd have to question his taste, and 2) belongs to the wife).

Gay marriage is a whole other ball of wax. One could argue marriage is a religious institution, but it isn't, especially these days. It is a social institution. It's designed to perpetuate the state, and produce future workers/consumers to carry on, etc.

Of course, if that is the criteria, then straight couples without children would seemingly be prohibited. What about gay couples who adopt? They are fulfilling the same role socially (i.e. producing future workers/consumers). T

That is far different though, than making homosexual acts illegal...completely different argument.

This is why the GOP is a dead end party.

They refuse to adapt and change to society, alwasy clinging to that 1950's conservative Nuclear Family mentality of running the world.

It's simply doesn't work and will not work. Period.

They need to come into the times here and realize that we are in an ever changing world, and their ideals are those of the past.

~Keeper

Originally posted by Gazrok
While I don't really understand homosexuality (at least with guys...girls I get...they like what I like...) myself...., just how do you make a law that is unenforceable? I mean, it's already illegal to have sex in public, so any kind of homosexual act would be done in private, and kind of difficult to arrest someone on what you "assume" they are doing behind closed doors.... (and then, how do you define (legally) a homosexual act?)

Just idiotic soapboxing really....and defeating their own chances for elections....

Strangely enough, years ago I read about some real case law in Playboy. The case that stood out to me was a Georgia police officer who responded to complaint about a barking dog. When he was on the front porch he observed through a window a married (straight) couple having oral sex. He busted in and arrested them based on a law on the Georgia books that forbids that act.

From a quick google search Sodomy remains illegal in about half the US States and is legally defined to include oral sex....straight, gay whatever.

Homosexuality is a choice???

If homosexuality is a choice, I don't see how it can be a conscious choice.

I consider myself to be a well versed heterosexual. And I am pretty damn sure even if I had every gun on the face of this planet aimed at my head, threatening to kill me, I still would NOT BE ABLE to get sexually aroused or get an erection for another man.

ANYONE who says it is a choice, and that it is 100% fact that it is a choice, are only justified in their claim because they are using themselves as their basis for reference when judging this issue. They are only justified in saying it is a choice if they themselves looked at another person of the same sex and thought "maybe" or were sexually aroused by them. Otherwise their claims that it is a choice is not based upon experience or intimate first hand knowledge of the argument from their viewpoint.

If someone is adamant that sexual preference is a choice, then they themselves had to make that choice, or their argument is moot, and merely based upon heresay and influenced by their own projective ideologies, views, priorities, opinions, and dare I say prejudices.

I am convinced it is not a choice, and if it is a choice, it certainly is not a conscious decision.
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Personal Disclosure:
The summer I was 15 I used to hang out with my friends at this pool hall and dance club for 17 and younger youth in Normal Illinois, home to Illinois State University (ISU). I had a very funny and hilarious friend called John, and we had known eachother and been friends since we were 10 years old. One night at the club he told me he was gay, and had a crush on me. I didn't know how to respond, nor at the time did I even really know what that meant. Then he tried to kiss me, and I punched him as hard as I could in the face, and knocked him out. After that we were less friends, but we did talk to eachother, and hang out occassionaly since we had the same group of friends. But, our friendship was never the same. Less than a year later he committed suicide. Now I wonder which was worse. My ignorance at the time, and how I responded to it in my teenage years, or him trying to be who it was he thought he was.

Do I regret my initial response? Of course I do. I often think what his life would have been like if he had grown up and what he would have done with himself and the contributions he may have made to society had he felt more welcome, instead of ending his own life at such a young age.

This is one of the major reasons I feel passionate about this issue. I would rather have a gay friend than a dead friend.

let me say that one more time:
I would rather have a gay friend than a dead friend.

I miss ya Johnny. It will be 22 years ago in December since you left, before you even got your drivers license...

reverence for life,
-et

p.s. reading some of the responses in this thread (and some before they were T&C deleted) I seriously think there is a level of ... misunderstanding on some peoples' part. Tolerance is not a one way street.

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