Is this 9/11 nonsense going to ever go away? ZERO eveidence but still pushing on!

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posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by nickspm
reply to post by vipertech0596

There were several reports about the van with explosives that came out hours earlier than what you have here from breakingnews.ie.

Are any of REALLY surprised that the news coming out initially was inacurate? We see inacurate reporting on tv everyday.


CNN reported "tonnes of explosives inside the van" that were found by law enforcement. Dan Rather also went into details about how much damage the explosives could have done.

CNN reports things that aren't real or inacurate all the time. Just like MSNBC, FOX, etc...


The stories about the van(s) were killed very quickly because they cast a spotlight on the fact that the official version or grand narrative of 9/11, the press was starting to push from very early on, didn't add up.

So are you saying that the press were all part of the coverup?


Again if you follow the money trail it goes back to the CIA. If you follow the trail of the actual people that were found to have explosives in the area on 9/11, it goes back to Mossad.

Here we go again....yeah yeah it was the jews....Hitler blamed the jews too !




posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1
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Dan Rather back-tracked on his explosives in van story :-

www.911myths.com...

There is absolutely no evidence for any explosives in any van in New York on 9/11.


Of course he back tracked. They found out, as more info starting coming in, what they were reporting was not accurate. That's how it goes with the news when all they care about is getting the story out before everyone else.

But of course here is another problem. We, the "skeptics" are required to publish evidence as you've done. The "truthers" don't have to do this....why is that I wonder???

Thanks for the post ! Good job ! Keep up the good work ! OOPS !?!?!? I used a truther key word and now they'll think both you and me are part of the conspiracy and are here as disinfo agents
You watch ! Either you, me or both of us will be accused of being disinfo agents by the end of the next page


PS if anyone knows how to sign up as a disinfo agent, please let me know. It sounds like an easy gig



posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 02:24 PM
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Again, let's ask ourselves, when a site like WIKILEAKS is able to access and distribute 400K + classified documents, how is it that we haven't seen 1 email, 1 memo, 1 file, 1 etc... incriminating 1 person pertaining to 9/11 ?
And this isn't the 1st time WIKILEAKS has published classified US documents and it won't be the last.

Oh wait, I know what you will say...."the government is allowing WL to distribute those documents as a diversion or for some other nafarious purpose. Let the games begin



posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 03:23 PM
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And this is where better research just MIGHT help you out Nick. The "dancing" Israelis story originates with a lady in New Jersey who saw said gentlemen and their activities on the morning of 9/11. She is the one that took down their license plate and notified authorities. An APB was issued and later that day, the van was stopped near Giants Stadium where they were taken into custody.

In the years that have passed, the truth movement has tried to blow this into a huge smoking gun...and as with most of their "smoking" guns, it doesnt stand up to the facts.

Dancing Isrealis..absolutely no evidence of dancing.

Set up and filming prior to the beginning of the attacks....absolutely false.

Van full of explosives...again, absolutely false

I probably shouldnt celebrate doing this so much, but I do LOVE to point sharp objects into 9/11 "truth" balloons....

From the transcript of 20/20, June 21, 2002....


JOHN MILLER, co-host:
We have. And when you try to trace the roots of this rumor, all roads seem to lead to the arrest of of group of Israeli men on the very day of the attacks, men who seemed coincidentally to be in the right place at the right time, and behaving strangely.... Surprisingly, the tip that led to the arrests of these five men did not come from a spy satellite, it came from a New Jersey housewife.

VO) On the morning of September 11th, Maria--who asked us not to use her last name--was home preparing for her day, when she got a call from a friend who lived upstairs in the same New Jersey high-rise.

MARIA: She was sitting when she heard a noise, at the same time she felt like it--it shook--like the building shook, she said. She called me immediately. She said, 'You know, there's--there's something wrong, look at your window by the twin towers.' So I grab my binoculars and I could see the towers from my _
And this is where I, you know, I'm looking. I saw the smoke from the top, just from the top of the towers.

MILLER: (VO) After watching for a little while, something caught Maria's at-tention in the parking lot below her window

MARIA: Like a few minutes must have gone on, and all of a sudden down there I see this van park. And I see three guys on top of the van, and I'm trying, you know, to look at the building but what caught my attention, they seemed to be taking a movie.

MARIA: And I could see that they were, like, happy, you know? They--they--they weren't--they didn't look shocked to me, you know? They didn't look shocked. I thought it was very strange."

Strange enough that she took their license plate and called the authorities, who subsequently found them and placed them into custody. Not once does she say they were dancing or celebrating or anything of the sort.

Later on, when they were taken into custody, authorities found that one of the men had $4700 in cash hidden in his sock and another one of them had two foreign passports. The only dangerous object found in the van, was a utility knife.


So, they didnt show up to start filming until AFTER the first tower had been struck, they weren't dancing nor were they toting a bunch of explosives in their van. And yet, the myth of the "dancing" Israelis continues....



posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 03:52 PM
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"What is much more perplexing is those who come here and make up silly stories like Jews being found with vans full of explosives, holographic planes, explosives being used etc. etc, with nothing at all to back up those claims!!"

Yeah, just as silly as blindly believing a bunch of treasonous disreputable liars in the Government and the media who literally had the world to gain by perpetuating this deception.

"Except there were many claims made that day about bombs going off that were not true, just like the stories about the Israeli's and trucks with explosives - none of them turned out to be true."

Why did they turn out not to be true? Because the guy in the Justice Department whose allegiance is to Israel decided not to put the suspects which were caught on trial? If that's your definition of truth, so be it.

"I find it more perplexing that you think I shouldn't be trying to help people understand logic. I honestly prefer not to see people blindly accepting something based on broken reason. I want them to see more than rhetoric and fallacy. In that sense, I'm more of a truther than the truthers here. I do my best not to use any "tactics" to discredit your posts. I attack the information and scrutinize it with logic."

How altruistic of you. I must have had you figured all wrong, as you must really be a great guy for trying to lead everyone to the promised land of objective reasoning and purity.

"So, you are allowed to use non-expert opinion and fallacy, and I'm not allowed to use logic and reason. Okay."

Thank you for the over generalization - what would we ever do without such jewels of analysis? I really don't know what you're using to support your agenda, but if you think that it's logic and reason, it's not up to me to change your train of thought. As an example, there are many people out there who are delusional and actually think they aren't. It's all a matter of perspective, or in this case, a warped sense of perspective.

Unlike you, I am not this altruistic great guy who is trying to get people to "see the light" and make this world a better place. I have also not flip-flopped on my position, unlike others who allege to have started out being truthers and then had an epiphany about 9/11 and all of the sudden became debunkers/official story pimps.

"I would use a novel approach that didn't occur to the 9/11 Commission. I would listen to the testimony of eye-witnesses and question them to gather as much detail as possible to determine what happened on the day and when."

Not only is your approach novel, it uses common sense. What are you thinking? You know that common sense does not exist in a corrupt and disjointed justice system.

"Well to start, eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. Above and beyond that, it happened almost a decade ago."

Especially if it does not support your pre-fabricated position/agenda.

"then why would the israelis go on a talk show in order to say they weren't mossad agents?"

Yeah, on second thought you're absolutely correct. People NEVER lie and cover their rear ends - especially when they get busted!

"So you think anyone that filmed the WTC's had prior knowledge?"

No, but people who allegedly are jumping around and celebrating and taking photos of lit lighters in front of the burning towers while filming are suspicious to say the least. By the way, where is the video and the photos that these guys took? Since they were so innocent, why hasn't their evidence been released to the public?

"This is just one of the things wrong with truthers, they do not actually stop and think things through, just cut and post what they read on those damn fool conspiracy sites"

Like the same "damn fool conspiracy website" you spend your life on countering (according to you) nonsense. You sound like your buddy God Ol Dave - I see you've been comparing notes with him. Who was saying something about copy and paste responses?

"Do some research. They showed up and started filming AFTER the first plane had hit the WTC. In other words, they were acting like every other person in New York with a camera at that point."

Aside from jumping around, celebrating the attacks and being happy, you're correct, they were acting like every other person in New Yotk.

"well then i guess all the eyewitnesses that did see the planes hit the towers does not count either then in that case..."

Since withness testimony is so useless, I have an idea, let's throw out all the testimony and use fake videos to get to the bottom of what happened on 9/11. I'm sure this would satisfy the debunkers.

"Now lets allow for a decades worth of memory error and let's re-interview those witnesses...hmmmm, that'll work."

Thanks for the pseudo psychology lesson. Actually, how about not waiting a decade and interviewing these witnesses immediately after the events? No, that's no good, because then these eyewitnesses would have remembered too much incriminating stuff. What am I thinking?

"Dan Rather back-tracked on his explosives in van story"

Gee, I wonder why he back-tracked???

"Are any of REALLY surprised that the news coming out initially was inacurate? We see inacurate reporting on tv everyday. CNN reports things that aren't real or inacurate all the time. Just like MSNBC, FOX, etc..."

Correct. For the most part, the inaccurate stuff is presented as fact, while the accurate incriminating stuff is retracted, or better yet, not presented at all.

"So are you saying that the press were all part of the coverup?"

No, not at all, considering that it took them a couple of hours to come up with the Official Story and pin the blame on everyone's least liked caveman. Don't underestimate the media. Yeah, they were wrong about the van(s) with explosives, but they were 100% correct about who was responsible for this attack. These are professional organizations we are talking about here. Do you know how much investigation they can accomplish in a couple of hours? This is especially true when they are being fed a script.

"Here we go again....yeah yeah it was the jews....Hitler blamed the jews too !"

Hitler blamed the Jews for 9/11? Source please. Unless, of course, you are not talking about 9/11 and are making some pathetic transparent attempt to sidetrack the conversation.

"Either you, me or both of us will be accused of being disinfo agents by the end of the next page"

I don't know, nor do I care who or what you are. What I do know is that you're doing a rather questionable job of supporting/defending your position. Keep it up!

"Again, let's ask ourselves, when a site like WIKILEAKS is able to access and distribute 400K + classified documents, how is it that we haven't seen 1 email, 1 memo, 1 file, 1 etc... incriminating 1 person pertaining to 9/11?"

Maybe because the head honcho over there at WikiLeaks supports the official fairy tale? If this doesn't tell you what WikiLeaks is really about, then nothing will.

"Later on, when they were taken into custody, authorities found that one of the men had $4700 in cash hidden in his sock and another one of them had two foreign passports. The only dangerous object found in the van, was a utility knife."

So why did the authorities take them into custody? Is it against the law to carry $4,700.00, passports and a utility knife? Why were they "happy" after the attacks, as described by the witness? Again, where is the video and photographic evidence that they took on that day? Why hasn't it been released if they were just innocent folks caught up in the confusion of the day?

"So, they didnt show up to start filming until AFTER the first tower had been struck, they weren't dancing nor were they toting a bunch of explosives in their van. And yet, the myth of the "dancing" Israelis continues...."

Yet, the authorities felt compelled to take them into custody for absolutely no valid reason? Yeah, you got that right, the MYTH continues...
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posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 04:14 PM
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Why did they turn out not to be true? Because the guy in the Justice Department whose allegiance is to Israel decided not to put the suspects which were caught on trial? If that's your definition of truth, so be it.


No, because the COPS said there were not any explosives. Oh, I forgot, they were "in on it" too. Im curious...and this is an open question to anyone in the 'truth' movement....who WASN'T in on it????



posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
Yeah, just as silly as blindly believing a bunch of treasonous disreputable liars in the Government and the media who literally had the world to gain by perpetuating this deception.

The the MEDIA, the GOVERNMENT, and ISREAL were all involved in 9/11 ?
That's just insane. Sorry but no other words fits what you're claiming. You're suggesting that not only are 2 entire governments at the heart of the 9/11 plot but the media as a whole are also conspirators in said plot. This is just nutty to think all these thousands and thousands if not millions of people are included in this plot and
not one person has stepped forward?
not one memo left out to be seen?
not one email forwarded to the wrong person?
not one billing or shipping invoice?
not one overheard conversation?
not one captured sat. transmission?
etc...
NOT ONE ANYTHING ???

not one shred of evidence ANYWHERE in the ENTIRE WORLD?????
A plot that spans countries and continents and not one sticky note to show for it?????
REALLY????????



posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by vipertech0596

No, because the COPS said there were not any explosives. Oh, I forgot, they were "in on it" too. Im curious...and this is an open question to anyone in the 'truth' movement....who WASN'T in on it????

I can answer your question.

SphinxMontreal, 20 other truthers, John Lear and mickey mouse all were NOT in on 9/11. The rest of us...all 7 billion of us were involved. As example, I was the guy running the hotdog stand the morning the invisible demo guys came in and wired WTC 7 in 10 minutes. By the way, do you know where I can spend invisible money ????
edit on 23-10-2010 by jfj123 because: Edit to state that mickey mouse was indeed in on 9/11. It's a sad day when you can't trust a cartoon
edit on 23-10-2010 by jfj123 because: Edit to retract previous mickey statement. I was just visited by a duck and a long eared dog both dressed in black and was asked to change my statement
I have no evidence to suggest mickey is now or was ever involved in any plot related to or including anything regarding 9/11.......Yes a sad day indeed
edit on 23-10-2010 by jfj123 because: EDIT AGAIN to state that neither a duck nor a long eared dog dressed in black, visited me at any point. My retraction is completely voluntary and of my own free will
Stupid disney

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posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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It's very simple. Building 7 went down in an absolute free fall, and there is only one way that could happen. Also, in regards to the twin towers, same thing in essence.

Absolute free fall from the height of the twin towers = approx 10 seconds (with air resistence)

Actual "collapse" time = approx 13 seconds

In the first case, we have free fall through NOTHING at all (except air)
In the seconds case, through the remaining structure of the building.

Graphic


Thus, when we apply Newton's Three Laws of Motion, we see that the official story cannot be true.

What bothers me isn't the "truthers" but those who would ask everyone to believe impossible things merely on the basis that they cannot accept the alternative view, and because it's what they were told by the "officials" and the MSM.

Planes hit, the buildings collapsed we were attacked - that's the story, but it does not hold up under ANY amount of rational scrutiny or analysis, based on the actual occurance of the destruction of those buildings.

How did the OP get flags and stars here, that's what I'd like to know.
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posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 05:57 PM
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jfj123, i hope you're getting paid lots of overtime.
yep, only ONE way a building can experience any absolute freefall at gravity as if through a vacuum.
2.3 seconds of absolute proof.
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posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 06:12 PM
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Proclaimed Truthers answer me this: There are 307 Million people in the US. There are over 6 Billion people on the planet earth. Am I expected to believe that out of all those people, a selection (which would have to pretty large) would be convinced to pull off a mass genocide on our own people? It isnt just some government oficials witting behind desks saying "lets distract the American people into our own agenda." To pull this off....successfully...your talking a team of planners, engineers, bomb experts, stand in pedestrians, camermen, video editing crews, reporters, anchors, stand in terrorists, CGI interface, and just luck to even consider this, and your telling me not ONE of these people blew a whistle? Its simply too big of a task, for everything to just work out so perfectly' without simply ONE lucky cameraman getting a shot of the real deal. Every news station wouldve had to lie to the public, every government official wouldve had to lie publicly. And to top it all off with a cherry on top...theyd have to consider YOU! The whakcos who would look into it, what you could create to put a bad name on them, The Government would not have underestimated the smartest minds in the country and not exhaust its effort trying to cover it all up when theres other # to deal with,

*Simply put, its just TOO big of a project to ever happen"
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posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by billybob
jfj123, i hope you're getting paid lots of overtime.
yep, only ONE way a building can experience any absolute freefall at gravity as if through a vacuum.
2.3 seconds of absolute proof.
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It didn't fall at freefall speed. This has been addressed about half a dozen times in this thread alone.
And here we go again implying I am one of those imaginary disinfo agents....
Do you have any evidence to suggest this or are you just making things up? Is it ok to accuse someone without proof?
What if someone accused you of.......oh I don't know.....maybe being a child molester? Wouldn't you want that person to provide evidence? Or can we now say anything we like about anyone we like without backing up what we say?
Is that the road you'd like to go down??????



posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by Plan2exist18
Proclaimed Truthers answer me this: There are 307 Million people in the US. There are over 6 Billion people on the planet earth. Am I expected to believe that out of all those people, a selection (which would have to pretty large) would be convinced to pull off a mass genocide on our own people? It isnt just some government oficials witting behind desks saying "lets distract the American people into our own agenda." To pull this off....successfully...your talking a team of planners, engineers, bomb experts, stand in pedestrians, camermen, video editing crews, reporters, anchors, stand in terrorists, CGI interface, and just luck to even consider this, and your telling me not ONE of these people blew a whistle? Its simply too big of a task, for everything to just work out so perfectly' without simply ONE lucky cameraman getting a shot of the real deal. Every news station wouldve had to lie to the public, every government official wouldve had to lie publicly. And to top it all off with a cherry on top...theyd have to consider YOU! The whakcos who would look into it, what you could create to put a bad name on them, The Government would not have underestimated the smartest minds in the country and not exhaust its effort trying to cover it all up when theres other # to deal with,

*Simply put, its just TOO big of a project to ever happen"
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Oh and don't forget the isreali government?
At that point, we might as well throw in the keabler elves too !
Well thanks for attempting to throw sanity into an insane discussion



posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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Interesting avatar.

You will not find me defending the official story based on all available information and phenomenon. The deluded brainwashed masses, they can be excused, but not those who've done the research. Sorry but I have to call it the way I see it.



posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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Interesting avatar.

You will not find me defending the official story based on all available information and phenomenon. The deluded brainwashed masses, they can be excused, but not those who've done the research. Sorry but I have to call it the way I see it.

The unfortunate part is that most people have no idea how to interpret the research that was done in relation to 9/11. Everything the truthers post as fact and evidence is only opinion, interpretation and speculation. Seriously, read the truther posts and you'll see this. Take Silversteins comments about pulling WTC7. They use this as proof yet it's been debunked. They choose to interpret the statement incorrectly to support their speculative hypothesis'.



posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 06:59 PM
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Let me put it another way then. You won't find me arguing with Sir Isaac Newton and the immutable laws of physics, to defend the official story regarding the destruction of the twin towers and building 7. What we have, as evidence is physical reality, recorded in real time, and that physical proof remains, in perpetuity. I'm a scientifically minded person and I've looked at it very hard, and of course the first impression that the plane impacts and fires were the cause APPEARS to be self evident, but it's not. All the physical evidence points to a controlled demolition with explosives, but more than anything, I just can't believe that every weld and joint and bolt was smashed, through the path of maximal resistence, from the impact area to the ground, in about 3 seconds, one, two, three. Such breakage would have to occur at nearly the speed of sound. And furthermore, once initiated, as the debris was explosively ejected, there remained little more than mere atmosphere, above the remaining length of structure, even though the debris wave continued to move down that structure without any appreciable loss of momentum.

I could go on and on, citing one thing after another. All the evidence proves that the official story, that the plane impacts and fires alone were responsible for the destruction of the twin towers of the World Trade Center, is patently false and utterly absurd. It's just not possible. One has to defy reason, in the face of the evidence, to maintain and uphold it, unless the defence of the OCT is with awareness, and conscious, something I cannot fathom ever being involved with myself, given what took place, and what was unleashed from that event. I just can't go there, and neither can I ignore the physical reality of the occurance of destruction, or all the other evidence for the use of explosives including explosive residue and all the first hand eyewitness accounts of explosions throughoutthe buildings, including the lobby and sub basement levels.



posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 08:44 PM
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"No, because the COPS said there were not any explosives."

Can you please provide me a copy of the police records of these arrests and subsequent investigation so I can verify the information you are providing? Thank you. If you do not provide them, I will have no option but to believe that you are talking out of your rear end.

"Oh, I forgot, they were "in on it" too. Im curious...and this is an open question to anyone in the 'truth' movement....who WASN'T in on it????"

There is a big difference between being "in on it" and being ordered by the top brass to drop a case. Or being "in on it" and being an unwitting accomplice. Anybody with a functioning brain would know that. Just like anybody with a functioning brain would know the word I'm uses an apostrophe.

"This is just nutty to think all these thousands and thousands if not millions of people are included in this plot and not one person has stepped forward?"

So if the Government and media were involved in this plot, it would have taken "millions" of people to pull it off? This is coming from someone who believes that 19 cavemen pulled off the deed. Keep making sense - I am very intrigued.

"SphinxMontreal, 20 other truthers, John Lear and mickey mouse all were NOT in on 9/11."

How do you know I wasn't in on 9/11? You know, you really should not make assumptions about people you do not know, because it has a way of making you look like a dimwit with an agenda. The least you can do is hide your true ignorant intentions if you want to have any chance at succeeding at this little game.

"Simply put, its just TOO big of a project to ever happen"

Again, this coming from someone who believes that 19 cavemen pulled this off. Like I told your debunker buddy, keep up your logical and consistent train of thought - it really makes you look like the smartest person in the room. By the way, you have anything a little more original to contribute than just parroting your buddy?

When you can't adequately debate the issues, switch gears and throw some irrelevant garbage into the argument. You guys deserve a huge pat on the back for the use of such ingenious tactics. You got anymore snake oil to sell?

"Oh and don't forget the isreali government? At that point, we might as well throw in the keabler elves too !
Well thanks for attempting to throw sanity into an insane discussion"

Three more posts and I see you're still on your little whodunnit kick. Let me know when you want to start discussing the key issues again. Going off on a tangent and on an irrelevant rant is a classic response from someone who has gotten their rear end handed to them. Can you stop being so obvious and offer some genuine intellectual resistance here already? C'mon, I know you have it in you.

"The unfortunate part is that most people have no idea how to interpret the research that was done in relation to 9/11."

I can finally see you have stood up and spoken for yourself. Congratulations! Now see, that wasn't so hard was it?

"You won't find me arguing with Sir Isaac Newton and the immutable laws of physics, to defend the official story regarding the destruction of the twin towers and building 7."

That's okay, we don't need you to argue against the laws of physics, since there are plenty of sane and competent debunkers here arguing against these laws.

Who is this Fig Newton guy anyway? Is he related to the Keebler Elves? Or as one of these brilliant internet debunkers spells it, "keabler". I know what you're thinking - just because he failed to spell the name correctly and capitalize it, does not mean he is not a genius.

And here is another beauty - "isreali". Thanks for all your enlightment, but no thanks. When it comes to something as complex as 9/11, I prefer not to take the word of someone who does not know how to capitalize, spell or use a simple program like spell check. Give me a holler when you're able to cover first grade elementary basics.



posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 08:58 PM
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Just thought I'd drop in and share a link to my thread. I believe you will all be very interested indeed!!
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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Let me put it another way then. You won't find me arguing with Sir Isaac Newton and the immutable laws of physics, to defend the official story regarding the destruction of the twin towers and building 7. What we have, as evidence is physical reality, recorded in real time, and that physical proof remains, in perpetuity. I'm a scientifically minded person and I've looked at it very hard, and of course the first impression that the plane impacts and fires were the cause APPEARS to be self evident, but it's not. All the physical evidence points to a controlled demolition with explosives, but more than anything, I just can't believe that every weld and joint and bolt was smashed, through the path of maximal resistence, from the impact area to the ground, in about 3 seconds, one, two, three. Such breakage would have to occur at nearly the speed of sound. And furthermore, once initiated, as the debris was explosively ejected, there remained little more than mere atmosphere, above the remaining length of structure, even though the debris wave continued to move down that structure without any appreciable loss of momentum whatsoever/


I refer to the official story about what happened at the world trade center on 9/11 as "the foot of God hypothesis" because that's about what it amounts to.

Remember, the NIST report itself is only a "collapse initiation hypothesis" so they simply don't address it (the actual destruction of the buildings) by simply saying that once started what ensued was "inevitable" and quote - "as seen on the videos" (if things weren't absurd enough as it is), completely assuming that there could be no other cause, other than some sort of progressive "pancaking" collapse. This is an apriori ASSUMPTION, out of which arose the FEMA and the NIST Reports, to show just how THAT happened, never even considering, in spite of a massive weight of evidence in support of it, the explosive hypothesis, given the APPARENT causal mechanism "plane impacts" according to an explicit and very blatant and outward interpretation of Occams Razor, but LOOK AGAIN, and watch the videos very carefully, and take your stop watch with you.

The building were blown up, there can be no doubt about it really, given the timed SPEED with whcih they were utterly destroyed, adn puverized, in mid air, all the way down to the ground - relative to, the rate of absolute free fall in nothing but air alone (a little over 10 seconds for any freely dropped object).

(a little over 10 seconds for any freely dropped object). but shhhhh, don't tell anyone..



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posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 11:31 PM
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What we have are early reports from different sources that law enforcement found explosives in a van driven by Israelis near the George Washington Bridge. "Tons of explosives" is how one reporter described the find.

Then what do we have? A few mealy-mouthed retractions, a few less-than-convincing denials. Oh no, that story about the tons of explosives in van was just an error. Oh yeah, sure it was. Pull my other keg! Lol!

Can you imagine anything more ridiculous to try to hide, after the fact? Oh explosives! Did we say explosives? No forget that. Tons of them. We didn't mean explosives. "Enough to do a significant amount of damage." What explosives? Huh? We don't know anything about tons of explosives in the van. Lol! Yeah it's just an innocent mistake. We meant the van WASN'T full of tons of explosives. That's it! Lol! We also wanted to add that THE EXPLOSIVES COULDN"T HAVE DONE A LOT OF DAMAGE.

Remember how much the firemen had to say in the first few hours after the attacks of 9/11. Then what we did we get? We got word of a gag order. Then the firemen were less than willing to speak about all of the suspicious explosions. Suspicious detonations? "I saw nothing." LOL!

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Give it up: We've got Israeli "art students" in the towers with all the time in the world and access to rig the demolition before the attack. We've got multiple transmissions, reports, and personal accounts of vans exploding on 9/11--some in the basement of the towers. This all links back to Mossad. How many Mossad terrorists, I mean agents, were rounded up after 9/11 in the U.S.?


Then less than a month after 9/11 we've got more Israeli Mossad terrorists/agents trying to blow up the Mexican Congress. This was on October 10, 2001.



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Mexican Attorney General
Releases Zionist Terrorists

Army general and head of the PGR releases two Israelis
arrested with guns and explosives inside the Mexican Congress

Israelis had in their possession nine hand grenades, sticks of dynamite, detonators, wiring and two 9mm "Glock" automatics.





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