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Is this 9/11 nonsense going to ever go away? ZERO eveidence but still pushing on!

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posted on Sep, 27 2010 @ 10:31 AM
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Ok try to follow....wow such belittling words...but i will use them on you...you would rather believe that a bunch of percieved drunken muslim yobs who could not even pass their flight school training to even be sufficient at flying cessna 172 and be able to fly four...count em four highly sophisticated 757/767 jumbo passenger jet on highly elborate manouvers across four states to targets in which they could not even do simple navigation ...hmmmmm.
now i ask you who is the one being foolish here.

Also it didn't take a bunch of genius govenment officials...it took a few people in the right places with...LISTEN,,,alot of money and the right connections to pull it off...but hey you keep on beliveing it was a bunch of unskilled pilots to fly four jets.


“For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible – there is not one chance in a thousand,” said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727′s to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737′s through 767′s it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying.” www.arcticbeacon.com...
Audio Interview 9/16/04: Regarding Flight 77, which allegedly hit the Pentagon. ”The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. … To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous…


Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force
please have the courtesy to go to the link provided and read

I think i would rather believe this man than anything you have to say on the subject...and yet again debunkers keep on not presenting materials that make sense for us to believe the goverment story.

Section31...i was sitting talking to a friend of mine on the internet in voice..and when the planes hit he was letting scared people come into his house as they were fleeing ...then the second plane hit...and he was coming back and fourth we all were going wow...and then the first tower fell...and several of us all said within a very very short period there was no way that the planes brought down the towers...just cause it took time for it to hit the MSM does not mean people were not thinking there was more to it.

Do we have all the answers NO..not yet....Are we getting closer...yes we are everyday....many crimes take 20yrs + to solve and this one will get solved.




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posted on Sep, 27 2010 @ 12:35 PM
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Why don't you debunkers just ignore the truth movement? Are you afraid that the american people are so stupid that if you didn't counter truther arguements then the american people would start to believe in the myriad of conspiracy theories? Doesn't a wise man avoid getting into arguements with fools? You debunkers can not have it both ways: Either the 911 conpiracy theories are tripe and hence not worthy of attention or their is something to them.

What has made me suspicious of the government more than anything else is the behavior of the debunkers. If the government would have given a plausible and definitive explaination of the events of that day.there would be no debate today. By debating the truthers you actually give them credibility.

Truther numbers seem to be growing. Iran's President talked a little about 911 conpiracy theories in the UN just the other day.

Time wounds all heels. And, according to Dante at least, the deepest pits of hell are reserved for traitors.

So, debunkers, ignore the truth movement! Display integrity. I dare you!



posted on Sep, 27 2010 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by plube
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you would rather believe that a bunch of percieved drunken muslim yobs who could not even pass their flight school training to even be sufficient at flying cessna 172 and be able to fly four...count em four highly sophisticated 757/767 jumbo passenger jet on highly elborate manouvers across four states to targets in which they could not even do simple navigation ...hmmmmm.
now i ask you who is the one being foolish here.

This info. is simply not correct.


Also it didn't take a bunch of genius govenment officials...it took a few people in the right places with...LISTEN,,,alot of money and the right connections to pull it off...but hey you keep on beliveing it was a bunch of unskilled pilots to fly four jets.

OK so you're saying that "a few people" created the most massive supposed conspiracy in earths history, with no help? Is that really what YOU choose to believe?
So how did just "a few people" do it? How did those "few people" rig 3 towers to explode? let alone all the other things involved in your 9/11 conspiracy?


“For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible – there is not one chance in a thousand,” said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727′s to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737′s through 767′s it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying.” www.arcticbeacon.com...


OK are you familiar with MYTHBUSTERS?

An untrained civilian can be instructed how to successfully land a plane over the radio.

plausible

Based off of multiple airplane movies, this myth posed a challenge to the Mythbusters because they could not afford to test it using real aircraft. Instead, they used a NASA simulator. For their first test, both Adam and Jamie decided to see if they could land a plane unaided. However, since both Mythbusters had no flight experience and had no idea what most of the instruments and controls did, they both were forced to crash land their planes. In their second runs, a licensed pilot give them instructions via radio. With this help, both Adam and Jamie were able to land their planes safely. However, even though the test was a success, the pilot pointed out that most modern planes are so advanced that their autopilot systems can literally land the plane by themselves, negating the need for a civilian pilot.

mythbustersresults.com...

So the mythbusters with ZERO training could safely land a plane but motivated individuals with experience and simulators couldn't aim it at a big target?



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posted on Sep, 27 2010 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by Deuteronomy 23:13
Why don't you debunkers just ignore the truth movement? Are you afraid that the american people are so stupid that if you didn't counter truther arguements then the american people would start to believe in the myriad of conspiracy theories? Doesn't a wise man avoid getting into arguements with fools? You debunkers can not have it both ways: Either the 911 conpiracy theories are tripe and hence not worthy of attention or their is something to them.


My answer as follows :

Why don't you truthers just ignore us "debunkers"? Are you afraid that the American people are so stupid that if you didn't counter "debunker" arguments, the American people would start to believe in the official story?
Doesn't a wise man avoid getting into arguments with fools?

WOW ! who knew your own argument would be turned around on you so quickly ??!?!?!?!



posted on Sep, 27 2010 @ 06:00 PM
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There are very good reasons for why the "debunkers" frequent all 911 conspiracy threads. First, they are paid to, it is their job. Second, they believe that most people are generally stupid (on this, they arguably have a point), and if it appears that there is still debate on ALL conspiracy points, then these stupid people will remain unconvinced of government involvement. Third, the stakes are simply too high for the truth to be known.
So, don't expect them to ever go away.




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posted on Sep, 27 2010 @ 06:03 PM
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Consider it

done.



posted on Sep, 27 2010 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by Deuteronomy 23:13
 

There are very good reasons for why the "debunkers" frequent all 911 conspiracy threads. First, they are paid to, it is their job.

It's funny how people like you will simply outright LIE if someone disagrees with you. It's sad really. Think about it, you just accused me and everyone else who disagrees with you, of treason and posted it here for all to see. What if someone posted that you were a child molester or a rapist? And did so with ZERO evidence to back up what they were saying. How would you feel? Would it be acceptable to you ?


Second, they believe that most people are generally stupid (on this, they arguably have a point),

Not most people, just SOME "truthers".



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posted on Sep, 27 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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I think payroll at Langley owes me quite a hefty amount. I demand to be paidback every red cent i earned for frequenting ATS and debunking the truthers. I work tirelessly here, in this windowless office, 6 sublevels underneath CIA HQ. I need a raise and maybe an office next to the coffie machines. It tough being a paid debunker.



posted on Sep, 27 2010 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by GenRadek
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I think payroll at Langley owes me quite a hefty amount. I demand to be paidback every red cent i earned for frequenting ATS and debunking the truthers. I work tirelessly here, in this windowless office, 6 sublevels underneath CIA HQ. I need a raise and maybe an office next to the coffie machines. It tough being a paid debunker.
Hi Gen,
If you want a raise, you should ask for an office nearer ground level, you can see much more there,



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 01:43 AM
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no sense talking to you obviously....did you read the link...a Pilot with over...count em ....30000+ hour on aircraft...he spent many hours flying those same planes...
I saw the mythbusters...now give them a week or two...or even months of cessna flight trainng then stick them in that same simulator and tell them to go fly it to New York...and crash it in the towers...lol
as for my part on genuis....hmmm did you not read the part about money and the right connections.I have no worries about your replies as people see through what you just said... comparing being talked down in a simulator....to flying the jets...and did you also know that....Soon as the transponder shuts down on the plane...which it APPARENTLY did the tower can no longer tell it's altitude...speed or even the flight numbers.. yet they are saying this occured.
one thing over the truth movement...most those site are being run by concerned individuals...were as the debunking sites are corporately run by the same MSM....shall i post those findings so you can continue to be brainwashed by the same sources who try to cover up the true accounts of 9/11.

NOTE: just one more thing...if you actually read Deutorotomies reply you would have understood he was actually on your side...... LMAO


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posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by plube
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no sense talking to you obviously....did you read the link...a Pilot with over...count em ....30000+ hour on aircraft...he spent many hours flying those same planes...

They had ZERO training but with just a bit of help were able to do the hardest thing...LAND ! Ever been in a simulator? Ever play video games? It's not that hard to point and shoot ! SHEESH !



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 03:19 PM
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Actually yes i have played many video games and in the video games i was able to land 747,s i also have flown in cessna 172's from central british columbia though the coastal mountains...so um yes....

would i say that i could jump into the cockpit of a 767/757 after being a crap cessna trainee... i would honestly say nope. and not afraid to say so...especially under extreme circumstances where i Aparrently have just over taken a pilot and co pilots and subdued passengers.

but you can continue to believe such things...but i wouldn't and neither do many pilots.


Cesna 172



757


So be my guest...point and shoot. how rediculous is that.
I choose to use commons sense...and tend to take the word of experts.... cause they are called..umm EXPERTS.

I can also tell you i used to play microsoft flight sim ALLLLL the time...and i would take a cessna....fly it to the twin towers...approach at about the 80th floor and then pull up go into a complete stall and just level out at the top edge and flop down onto of the building...amazing...could it be done for real...I think not.

so those planes were either flown by profeesional pilots....or they were remotely controlled...do i know for sure which...no i don't thats why i try to base everything on things i can reasonably know....those so called box cutter minimal flight trained pilots was a ruse....either they were a case of stolen identity ...or they just didn't exist and it was a false flag op by others.



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by plube
would i say that i could jump into the cockpit of a 767/757 after being a crap cessna trainee... i would honestly say nope.

Thats kinda funny since the mythbusters were able to with ZERO experience.


I can also tell you i used to play microsoft flight sim ALLLLL the time...and i would take a cessna....fly it to the twin towers...approach at about the 80th floor and then pull up go into a complete stall and just level out at the top edge and flop down onto of the building...amazing...could it be done for real...I think not.

Have you tried it in a real simulator? You know that comm. pilots are trained on simulators right?



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by GenRadek
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I think payroll at Langley owes me quite a hefty amount. I demand to be paidback every red cent i earned for frequenting ATS and debunking the truthers. I work tirelessly here, in this windowless office, 6 sublevels underneath CIA HQ. I need a raise and maybe an office next to the coffie machines. It tough being a paid debunker.


reaaly you aint one?
I have met many of people who were deniers of the 911 truth movement and now they believe. You have yet nudged in your belief of the 911 truth movement. it shows you are either working for them (government) or just one freaking naive person.

I bet you even drink Evian bottled water if it was around.



posted on Sep, 28 2010 @ 09:35 PM
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Thanks Dragnet.
I have had my fill of this. I am ready to go mano y mano with some people.

I have seem what the people looked like after they hit the ground, the ones that jumped out of buildings to escape the searing heat and the screaming of the dying I have seen videos produced by some of the dying that breathed the toxic air. They are pleading with us, whether we can hear it or not.

The ones that I have a problem with cannot hear their cries. That is inhuman.

If the world is going to change for the better, WE have to do our part. On ATS, all I can do for sanity is use the Ignore, because I frankly get disgusted reading their drivel.



posted on Sep, 29 2010 @ 01:37 AM
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Why do you choose to try to talk down to people does it make you feel brighter...do you have this insatible need to be rude or does it just come naturally...yes i do know the diff between a actual simulator..you said about video games...the answer is no i have not done it in a real simulator...Have you?.
now also as i did say earlier that mythbusters would and is not an example of a reasonable test between the two situations and you can repeat yourself over and over but it is not going to change the fact.
And another thing is you have not came back with anything reasonable on the pilots reply or about the transponders.
least some people have the decency to answer you in a reasonable debating fashion...and if you talk like others are dumb and your the most intelligent person on this planet then your credibility is worthless.
so for now i think it is best not to reply to you.



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posted on Sep, 29 2010 @ 05:14 AM
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Originally posted by plube
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Why do you choose to try to talk down to people does it make you feel brighter...do you have this insatible need to be rude or does it just come naturally...yes i do know the diff between a actual simulator..you said about video games...the answer is no i have not done it in a real simulator...Have you?.

Never got a turn but watched. Went to a simulator when I was in school admittedly a long time ago. It was pretty cool !.


now also as i did say earlier that mythbusters would and is not an example of a reasonable test between the two situations and you can repeat yourself over and over but it is not going to change the fact.

Really? Not a reasonable example of someone with ZERO experience LANDING a 767 ? That's not reasonable to compare to people FLYING a 767?


and if you talk like others are dumb and your the most intelligent person on this planet then your credibility is worthless.

I along with others who don't believe in the supposed truther movement have been accused of treason because we simply disagree with u. That makes me a bit testy as I am a patriot and would never be part of this supposed conspiracy in any way. Sorry you feel talked down to but my feeling is that the absolute worst thing a true AMERICAN can be called, is a traitor.
In addition to that, I've been told that there is no possible away any building could ever have fallen like that without using demolitions and I know this is simply not true. The problem is that these people simply don't know what they're looking at because they don't have the background to understand it so they apply their knowledge base for answers, which is faulty.



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posted on Sep, 29 2010 @ 09:56 AM
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did i call you anything of the sort...and to group everyone into one catagory seems like a unreasonable way to go to me..... that is like saying all muslims are extremists.... now dont worry about the unpatriotic bit...cause if someones chooses to be patriotic for the wrong reasons does that make them patriotic or just foolish...and that does work both ways...just as alot of truthers get generalized as unpatriotic.....As for me...i pledge no allegiance to any government who sends it's people to war for their own selfish greed....now that to me is not being unpatriotic ,It is being a responsible human being....
Also if one day just say maybe that it was found out that the government was involved...and lets not acuse the whole govenment but a select few...would you still be patriotic to those people...afterall.
People should not use patriotism as a way to be fooled into something that is not right... there is such a thing as being patriotic to ones own beliefs...and it takes a lot more bravery to fight for the truth than to be swindled into the fold of what a government wants you to believe.
but I still am going to put my faith into a pilot who has a extreme number of flying hours...and it would be someone like him that would have talked the Mythbusters guys to the ground anyways...think about it.
but if your government came to you one day and said "we need you to kill a member of your family as it would be the patriotic thing to do" cause that is what they ask each and everyone of the soldiers to do by going and fighting a false flag operation.



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posted on Sep, 30 2010 @ 03:10 AM
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I agree that Professor Noam Chomsky is a great thinker. He's definitely a humanitarian who tries his best to see both sides of a contested issue. However, in this case, he is clearly dissembling. "Even if it were true....who cares? What difference does it make?"
"Even if President Kennedy were killed, what difference does it make?" Notice how he correctly linked the two events. Mark my words - when we find the perpetrators on this one, we'll be getting at least some of those responsible for the travesty that was Kennedy's assassination. Two birds, one stone.

Chomsky correctly said that secrets are hard to keep. That does not mean that it is not done, and done ALL THE TIME. Therefore, I'm tossing that argument out. We have entire security infrastructures dedicated to exactly that, leakers are hunted down and punished, regardless of the morality / motives of their actions.

Another thing Chomsky said, "For the Bush administration to have done it, they'd have to be insane!" Right, check. I agree, and I believe they were. Not only crazy, but disrespected our country, us, in so many ways from a deliberately limited informing of congress (only eight - the gang of eight) of their many out-there and immoral measures (torture) to trying to install a very inexperienced justice in our Supreme Court. They were also completely careless about the torture, throwing away all the advice of their armed services lawyers and shopping until they found people who would agree and help them write the extremely flaky legal justification for that. They were pathological liars, would say anything to achieve what they wanted in Iraq. They were vindictive, going after Plame when she exposed them on that one. I do not for a minute doubt their willingness to create a myth. They had no other scruples that I could see.

So what secrets are going to be hardest to keep? Well, the supporters of the OS keep saying "no proof". Well, they keep asking for it, so why not keep throwing the obvious out there. These are not up in the air, these are the facts:
1. The administration knew the guys that were supposed to be in the planes were here, and had warnings that something was up. FBI agents were ordered not to interfere. The list of names of hijackers appears to have come straight out of Huffman Aviation's pilot training database, even though the FBI apparently did not know for sure that they were even present, as there are many still alive out of the given list. But in any case, the CIA and drug trafficking should leave so many tell-tale clues on this one that no matter how much cover-up is employed, there will be enough left to go on. Huffman Aviation was quite simply a CIA-front company, used for running drugs, and the same planes are again tied in more directly with the CIA with the crash of the CIA rendition flight, which also had tons of crack coc aine on board. When you can't nail this era's Al Capone to the wall, put your nose to the ground and start following the money guys.

www.slideshare.net...
www.madcowprod.com...
en.wikipedia.org... (connection - Royal Sons LLC - same exact address as Huffman Aviation)
www.democraticunderground.com...
911review.org...
u2r2h.blogspot.com...

Bottom line, Venice Florida is a goldmine for this line of the story.

2. Let us not forget that the CIA continues to run drugs in this fashion, and is fueling the Mexican drug war currently threatening to expand into our country through our southern border. The bottom line is that we install dictators, and naturally with our CIA's propensity to traffic the drugs, whatever country we've invaded (except apparently Iraq - good on you Iraq) turns into a drug infestation. You know the real shame of it? Here you have the ultimate hypocrisy by our government, leading to the killing of many innocents, keeping the act a crime while rewarding it financially. If your government makes it a crime for you to do drugs, will throw you in prison for doing so, would you believe that it will then use the drugs of countries it has invaded, ship the drugs here on its own planes, and profit off of the sale of said drugs? This smacks of outrageous injustice even before one considers the slow spread of violence caused by these actions of our very own CIA. These are definitely not people with morals. Naturally one could expect them to go along with an attack on their own country.
afp.google.com...
waronyou.com...

The bottom line is that if we want the lying to stop, the unjust violence to stop (who's bringing said "terrorists" over in the first place - these guys, who's doing extraordinary rendition, undeclared wars, torture...) we have to shine the light and leave them no place to hide. To the countries in Europe - if you suspect a plane is CIA, stop it and search it before doing anything else. In addition to discovering illegal human trafficking and physical evidence of torture, you stand a good chance to find tons of coc aine on board.
In short, the rendition network is closely tied with the drug trafficking. I have no expectation that this has stopped under Obama, and it represents a good source for further light.
Oh, and by the way, we need to check up on a plot bought in Cuba by one Wallace J. Hilliard (Huffman Aviation) for the purpose of "Mormonism". If history serves as guide here, it'll be the next Jamestown.

3. That was just the beginning. Let's look at what is known about the time before the attacks, concerning the management of the WTC:
Marvin Bush holds security contracts for WTC, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport with a company named Securacom. Let that sink in for a second. Look at those contracts again. Yeah.
There was a power down on the weekend before the event, also all security teams were pulled from duty on the building...30 hours without power, no security cams, all secure doors open.
On 9/11, the alarm system was placed in "TEST" status.
The building officials posted guards in the lobby who returned building occupants to their offices, and announced over the PA system "The building is secure, you can return to your desks".
whatreallyhappened.com...
Oh, by the way? One of the FBI investigators, John O' Neille, who had retired from the FBI after being rebuffed repeatedly while trying to follow the pilots in training took up his new job as a security manager for the WTC on Sept 10, 2001.
The only time the building ever changed hands occurred on July 24, 2001 when Silverstein bought it, insuring it specifically against a terrorist attack, and upping the total amount of insurance from 1.5B the Transit Authority had on all its buildings to 3.55B for the WTC alone. Larry Silverstein ends up "going to a dr's appointment" and is not at the building on 9/11. If his secretary was lucky enough to make it out and has a backup copy of his schedule somewhere for comparison (even if he had an appointment, is it just one over the course of a long period of time?), would you post the file? Thank you in advance.
Staff of an Israeli instant messaging company named Odigo which was based in the WTC received anonymous warnings not to go to work that morning through their chat client.

4. The event - specifically the angle of assisting explosives - check out what the janitor in the basement said (first link below). Fireball comes out of the lift at about the same time the plane hit. I think it was probably the same fireball the firefighter who barely made it back out of the building witnessed (now that firefighter is dead - very suspicious). NIST said the fireball came from the plane fuel fire. Most telling is this from the janitor, who rescued two people from the lift AFTER the fireball came out of it. “Now you tell me how an explosion from a jet liner could have burnt a man 90 floors down within seconds of impact? Why were the two people [I] rescued from the lift not burnt to death?" Second link - on the fire fighters for 9/11 truth page, you have first up the fire chief's testimony (yeah, I'm going to start calling it testimony, we'll never get a real court case and no justice, these guys are standing up, giving their names and reputations to be counted), in that letter you have what he thinks, as well as other fire fighters who were there. That fireball traveled down the lift, but not from the top floors.
Those explosives had to have been planted the prior weekend during the period of power down.
Further, remember the floor that was shut down for maintenance? The 34th floor, that janitor during the event heard something heavy being dragged across the floor above him while he was on the 33rd floor going up.
Note also the fire chief's thoughts on the retrieval of plane debris to determine the type and model of the craft, as well as the bald dishonesty of John Gross, lead NIST engineer concerning presence of molten metal (video on site, photographic evidence on site as well). Don't forget about the explosion from the basement seconds BEFORE the plane hit, according to the janitor. There's other witnesses in there testifying to evidence of explosions inside. Check out that timeline (first link). Remember the first attack was on the basement, it was partially successful, in that it caused damage. Once again, note that the elevator shafts and 34th floor would be the responsibility of none other than Marvin Bush.
There is one dissenting voice to the story above in the timeline - Mark Loizeaux of Controlled Demolition Inc, whose company was paid to help in the cleanup. He claims to have tried to call people to tell them the building is definitely coming down, curiously he said "I still had some cell phone numbers..." Why would he have cell phone numbers? Of note is that he was also there for the Oklahoma City bombing cleanup.
Then the WTC 7 tower alarms started going off, due to the pressure wave from the second plane hitting the WTC. There was no water pressure. Why no water - is it the fire sprinkler systems, and if so is it possible someone drained the water out ahead of time?

www.historycommons.org.../11=complete_911_timeline_world_trade_center&timeline=complete_911_timeline
firefightersfor911truth.org...

Finally: Take a look at this very short video - look at that clean cut of those pillars. Does that look like the result of a slow sag under heat to you?
www.youtube.com...

Check out the raid on the gold vaults in the basement, along with gold bars left behind in the tunnels below (in the timeline - 9:59 - that's where it's listed on the timeline, but it probably took longer). I'm guessing some of those aforementioned explosives were used to blow the vault doors....
Also, check out the entry right after it. Whoever it was had guys dressed up as police officers outside the building to keep people away, most likely, probably to cover the exit of gold (last paragraph is speculation).
I'm guessing you would have a demolition expert involved with cell phone numbers...and senior level officials who like to take rides in aforementioned planes (leer jets which also are used to run drugs...)
www.firefightingnews.com...

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So ultimately what would you need to run an extremely large scale false flag operation like that one?
1. You'd need to control the airspace. Check - Cheney with control of the Air Force on drills, out of the way, of the FAA with the software to either control what the air traffic controllers see and do not see, or guarantee nothing gets shot down, and finally destroy the available evidence left over.
Below is the testimony of a civilian ATC (now they have military ATCs who can't say this kind of thing).
www.firefightingnews.com...
"Rumsfeld put a third party in between the ATC and the Air Defense Controller responsible for scrambling interceptors —the Pentagon."
"the phone calls went from the FAA to the Pentagon and were not answered"

(check out the item in the timeline above about the secret service agent telling the emergency management team lead about a possible 3rd plane - just one case that shows that the people who knew exactly where all the planes were wanted a level of uncertainty)

check - www.nytimes.com...

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The worst part about all this is that this story actually seems more plausible to me by FAR than the OS:
how911wasdone.blogspot.com...
The simple reason are the explosives, the unexplained residue and clean cuts, as well as witness testimony and audio and video recordings that do not match the NIST analysis, combined with the absolutely nonsensical non-working of our air traffic system that day, which obviously was setup that way just previously and changed back shortly after the event. Those two pieces directly support the hypothesis that are made in the above link regarding using software to take over the electronic flight systems of the planes and finally the human engineering via fake phone calls with voice modulation software. That would explain why the hijack alert was never activated on any of the flights at least. Also, it's entirely within the realm of possibility, as flight 11 stopped responding at 8:14, and did not crash into the WTC until 8:46, giving flight controllers and those who were supposed to support them in interceptions exactly 32 minutes. It would've taken the ATC 5 minutes (from earlier links) to really get cranking at trying to contact the Pentagon - so 8:19. 27 minutes left. 5-10 minutes of no response from the Pentagon (which doesn't get hit until 9:37). Overall, there was absolutely no response from our national interception system, which had intercepted 67 flights in the year prior, over a period of 1 hour and twenty minutes during the largest attack on the homeland in history since the Civil War.

www.rense.com...

In light of that link, they had plenty of time from being notified to either scramble one of the two fighters which sit on permanent ready status on the tarmac on Andrews AFB, 10 miles from the Pentagon, or just order one of the fighters in the air to divert.

More on that timeline: en.wikipedia.org...



Now, does the official story make sense?



posted on Oct, 1 2010 @ 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by plube
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did i call you anything of the sort...and to group everyone into one catagory seems like a unreasonable way to go to me..... that is like saying all muslims are extremists.... now dont worry about the unpatriotic bit...cause if someones chooses to be patriotic for the wrong reasons does that make them patriotic or just foolish...and that does work both ways...just as alot of truthers get generalized as unpatriotic.....As for me...i pledge no allegiance to any government who sends it's people to war for their own selfish greed....now that to me is not being unpatriotic ,It is being a responsible human being....

Oh let me be clear, I do believe that for the most part, "truthers" are patriotic and doing what they believe they should do as a good patriot.
As for me, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. I pledge allegiance to my country and it's citizens. I do NOT necessarily pledge my allegiance to the United States government. As example, I gave no such allegiance to the bush administration as it was guilty of many things including war crimes, violating Constitutional law, crimes against humanity, crimes against the state, etc... but my allegiance for my country never waned even during the bush reich.


Also if one day just say maybe that it was found out that the government was involved...and lets not acuse the whole govenment but a select few...would you still be patriotic to those people...afterall.

I wasn't patriotic for the people you accuse now if you are accusing the bush administration. I think they're guilty of many, many things and should all be tried and if found guilty, punished.


People should not use patriotism as a way to be fooled into something that is not right... there is such a thing as being patriotic to ones own beliefs...and it takes a lot more bravery to fight for the truth than to be swindled into the fold of what a government wants you to believe.

Yes. I agree as stated above.


but I still am going to put my faith into a pilot who has a extreme number of flying hours...and it would be someone like him that would have talked the Mythbusters guys to the ground anyways...think about it.

But what I think you're missing is that 2 guys with zero flight time or experience were able to safely land a 767 just by being guided in through verbal instruction. That says it's pretty easy to fly a 767 with zero experience with just a little well placed guidance. Now lets actually say these guys took classes and only cared about learning how to fly, not worried about taking off or landing. And they're motivated by something beyond greed or conscience. They were motivated because they 100% believed their god required it of them. You also have to understand the difference between christians and muslim extremists.
A christian is motivated to live a good life by their religion.
A muslim extremist is motivated to die a good death by their religion.
If you can't understand the difference, you can't wrap your head around how motivated they were to learn to fly.


but if your government came to you one day and said "we need you to kill a member of your family as it would be the patriotic thing to do" cause that is what they ask each and everyone of the soldiers to do by going and fighting a false flag operation

Good point. So these people the government came to, have never slipped, come forward,etc.. ? with damning evidence?

I think part of the issue is that you don't understand what I believe a patriot is. To me a patriot is someone who holds an allegiance the the flag, the country and it's people but no such allegiance to it's government if it goes against the ideals of the flag, country and people. Maybe this will give you a better view into my thinking.



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