Is this 9/11 nonsense going to ever go away? ZERO eveidence but still pushing on!

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posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 07:38 AM
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i say-the fact that 9-11 theorys arent going away could mean where there is smoke there is fire...




posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by L1U2C3I4F5E6R

For me I need 100% proof that someone besides the Islamic fundamental terrorists did this. They may not of done. So PROVE it. At a think tank, you must show proof beyond all doubt. Not reasonable doubt but ALL doubt. Did you know that? Some times a decision must be made and only when you have all your duck in a row can an affirmative action be made. Truthers have a bit here, a bit there and have filled in those missing pieces with speculation and seeing what they WANT to see.



Well i have news for you: this isn't a think tank. Nobody here has to prove it to you without a sliver of doubt. Also, "truthers" are not an organised group. The group of people you accuse of having "a bit here, a bit there and etc..." are in fact people discussing what they think may have happened on 9/11 on an internet forum. I'm sorry they don't live up to your overly inflated expectations.


On the other hand, you have read most 9/11 threads on ATS and are still a staunch believer of the OS?? Then what sort of proof are you after? What would really convince you to the contrary of the OS?

I have a feeling that you are misrepresenting yourself. You pretend that you are trying to learn more about 9/11 by asking for more proof, but it really shows that you are merely trying to discredit what you call "truthers".

I don't believe a word you say


Good day ma'am.


ETA: Also, why limit yourself to ATS?? It is clear that you think that only a handful of people on ATS (and a few other websites you mentioned, which apparently you haven't read though) believe in the non-OS. Expand your horizons and open your eyes. Nothing I say to you will matter though, you are not here to learn



edit on 20/9/10 by GobbledokTChipeater because: ETA



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 07:54 AM
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LOL two more flags and it is on the front page. I swear maybe I should make several accounts just to prove a point. But I am not that way. Too many accounts can can schizophrenia.



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 08:13 AM
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I hope the truth movement never goes away. There are so many families who lost someone that day and they want the truth too. If I were in their shoes, I would not rest. Someone knows something.. and that someone must be held accountable. I don't think whoever was behind it, was counting on people waking up to the inaccuracies of that day, or the events leading up to and after.



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 08:20 AM
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You were looking for proof about a possible inside job ?

Just the fact that the planes hit their targets (except one) without being intercepted should ring a bell. How a city like New York can be left unprotected is beyond me. Every plane needs a flight pattern before taking off. So it should have been expected from radar operators to follow the designated protocol when the planes get outside their flight plan.

Only by intercepting the chain of communications could this event happen. If the control tower did alert the authorities, there's a good chance that only one person took the calls. A straw (wo)man ?

At that point, I could consider this an inside job. No absolute certitude there, like anything in life, since the majority of information we get comes from another person.



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 08:43 AM
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All the evidence presented may not prove who or what is responsible but what it does prove, is that the media and official reports are lying about what really did happen. Now that is certainly something worth investigating and there can never be a time limit on reaching the truth. If the truth ever does come out the impact will massive and only then will there be closure on the matter.



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 08:45 AM
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Someone asked me to prove that the OS is correct. I don't need to because that's the story. The truthers story is after the inital OS and lacks evidence so they need to show the PROOF to debunk the official story. If I claim i was captured by Aliens, then I am telling the truth till someone disproves my story.


This isn't how things work even in your mind. You can't possibly even realise what you are saying here.
Pretty much this says what ever story goes in your ear first is the truth. You're not for real.



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 08:46 AM
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I find it incredible that anyone can seriously believe the OS.
The "passengers" (or not)
The "planes" as above
The" hijackers" ditto
The "phone calls" ditto again
The amazingly perfect collapse of the buildings (Makes you wonder why people pay so much to demolition
companies when all you have to do it start a few office fires).
The share dealing, must have had Nostradamus working for them
The undue and unnecessary (?) removal of material from the largest crime scene in history.
The Pentagon
And so on and so on.
How exactly this evil was committed no one except the people who did it know and they are not going to EVER tell us. I remember watching the tv that fateful day and saying to my father how the "terrorists" must be dancing in their caves not being able to believe that things went so well for them. What an idiot, feel sooooo stupid now.



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 09:06 AM
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First off that was the most stupid video I have ever seen. Second lets start here.

government officials who were called to testify before the commission included:
George W. Bush - President; refused to testify under oath
Dick Cheney - Vice President; refused to testify under oath
Past government officials who were called to testify before the commission included:
Bill Clinton - former President; refused to testify under oath
Al Gore - former Vice President; refused to testify under oath
Why refuse to testify unless you have something to hide. Maybe they feared that some day they truth would come out....Bill CLinton has already been caught once lying under oath. President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, former President Bill Clinton, and former Vice President Al Gore all gave private testimony without oaths but why?. President Bush and Vice President Cheney insisted on testifying together, maybe they are just really good buddies and wanted to "do this together" while Clinton and Gore met with the panel separately.
The 9/11 Commission themselves have stated that they believe that US gov agencies including but not limited to the FAA, The Pentagon, CIA and NORAD were delibritly deceiving them and interfering to slow their progress. And on the whole the chairman believe the commission was set up to fail.
So is that just a coincidence cuz it sure sounds like there some sort of cover up going on here.
And what about this, cuz this is just another coincidence I'm sure.
John Farmer, senior counsel to the Commission stated that the Commission "discovered that...what government and military officials had told Congress, the Commission, the media, and the public about who knew what when — was almost entirely, and inexplicably, untrue." Farmer continues: "At some level of the government, at some point in time … there was a decision not to tell the truth about what happened...The (NORAD) tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public."
Thomas Kean, the head of the 9/11 Commission, concurred: "We to this day don’t know why NORAD told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth."
Coincidence i say!!
Now here I am going to be, dun dun dun, "Anti Semitic"

A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9/11. The New York Times reported that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attacks, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards.

Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery.

"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness.

They were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage.
Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact. Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. "It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park".

Prior Knowledge on the part of the Mossad. Israel knew about the attacks, or did these Mossad agents just be happening to be filming the world trade center before and after the attacks. Hmmm...makes the Mossad a little suspicious in my mind. They are such great allies, why not tell us about the impending attacks?

Thats just a couple things, but for now, I gotta go!



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 09:14 AM
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here we go again, another noob that cannot think for themselves. Question op do you actually beleive that the pentagon hole was caused by a plane. if so take a look at the actual diminsions of the craft. 2) did you ever put two and two together just how fast they past the patriot act? Have you ever done any research into Nazi germany and the relivance of how Hitler got into office? then does it strike you that the bbc and cnn had told the public that the world trade had fallen 12 minutes before it actually fell? then last not least the new york fire fighters telling the public that they heard bombs? the truth is just this, get off your seat, go to new york and do some actual digging around like i did and guess what it will take you less than a day to be able to debunk just exactly what the governments actual claim is. sheesh tired of arm chair govt informants throwing vomit my way



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 09:15 AM
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Sorry Lucifer (Another religious non-existent BS character) but I have to put my bit in.

When you look at the evidence fed to the public from the NWO controlled government that says 2 planes and jet fuel took down 3 skyscrapers it's easy to say 'Yeah Right'. Anyone with half a brain can tell you that stupid lie is impossible!



All the docs and vids and pics I've seen on the subject have convinced me this has been staged. It's so obvious. But alas the brainwashed public aka the Sheeple will always believe what their masters feed them. If the masters said 'Yep the world is flat', the brain washed public would believe it.

Hard proof will be hard to get. The Government is not going to admit to doing this dastardly deed so the truth will never come out. There is a lot of proof out there backed by a lot of evidence. But how is it going to be labelled as Absolute Proof if the authorities keep denying it? How will it be proof if it can't get aired by the controlled mainstream media?

I'm sorry for saying this but as far as I'm concerned if you believe the official truth? Your an idiot!!!



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 09:19 AM
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When you spend less money investigating 4 airplanes crashing than you normally spend on one airplane crash then there are bound to be people asking questions when you are done.



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 09:54 AM
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to the original poster.

put 911 aside

the fact that america went to war against iraq for the reason of mass weapons and never found any or how the USA can not some how find the most wanted man on this earth is enough fo continue these cnspiracy theorys.

the usa goverment is one big lie, and it is believers like you that keep it alive.

ii feel sorry for the americans that live in areas with poverty as bad 3rd world countrys while its so called goverment fights wars for no reall reasons and goat hurders, as it involves it self in business that has nothing to do with them.

the whole Goverment is a lie and one big conspiracy.

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posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 09:56 AM
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Im sure it was mentoned here already, but i'll mention again. I never really beleived in this whole "truth movement" thing until I researched WTC7. It is almost never discussed in any of the shows I have seen on tv about this subject. I have noticed that is the one thing that happned that day that most people seem to forget. I can accept the fact that tower one and two fell because commercial air liners flew into them. Even though it's like a mosquito flying straight through my screen door and the door falling off but I digress.

But building 7 fell for no reason at all. It just caught fire and fell into its own footprint. The fire would have had to burn for days to produce the same kind of heat they clamed to melt the gurders in tower one and two. Jet fuel or not you can't produce smelting tempertures outside of a steel mill no matter how much jet fuel you pour on it. How was there melted metal in the footprint of building 7 from a fire with no jet fuel? Did they have a steel mill in the basement?

If someone can explain to me how molten pools of metal ended up in a fire that wasn't hot enough to melt metal. I'll change camps again.



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 10:11 AM
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Absolutely Not, there's too much money at stake.

It's not like the Government of the Day is going to come out say
Yip, we did it. Even if there's a Picture of Rummy and Laden together
pushing the Kill Button. If there was a Napkin with the battle plans drawn on
it, it would have been destroyed years ago.

So the US has the ol' Fredom of Information and Freedom of Speech,
Bwah Ha Ha. Any Government knowledge of said event will never ever
be released, even if the Judge of Superior Court decrees it, it just won't
happen.

It's nearly 50 years on from JFK, and still no real confirmation of who
or why, only speculation.



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 10:13 AM
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Mz Devious said (Is there some importance to that name? I'll bet there is....anyway on to one of her points:


"We all SAW what we SAW. That day will be remembered by many. But thanks to the "truthers" movement the real tragedy is getting overlooked by a few people who are unsure of what they saw or what they were told."

What hurts and helps not at all is when loud voices come onto the conspiracy scene and scream that there were no airplanes that hit the towers or the Pentagon. How many independent videos show the planes--at least the second one-- striking? It was covered on live network broadcasting! The Pentagon missile argument rest solidly on a broken light pole being out of place. (It it was a missile that hit the pole, it is doubtful that it would have continued on to hit the building.) The depth of the damage to the Pentagon indicates an inertial mass destructive force, not an explosive force from a missile that hit the outside wall and exploded or bunker-buster that pentrated into the interior before exploding.

Genuine, hard-working truthers, silence the false, silly and stupid voices of the wantabes and disinformation specialists and you will further your cause greatly. Those voices detract from every bit of solid evidence you recover. When the screaming gets too shrill, it turns people off.

For my money, there were forces that knew that the attack was coming, and helped it get done and other forces that did nothing to prevent it happening because all three aspects wanted it to happen for their own reasons.

edit on 20-9-2010 by Aliensun because: minor corrections of typo and grammer



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by GoldenFleece
reply to post by L1U2C3I4F5E6R
 

Wow, thanks for that emotional and irrational rant that contributed nothing except to vent your spleen. Feel better? Your avatar and previous thread, Maybe as a Human race we need to look to Lucifer as our saviour!! tell me all I need to know.

Some people just can't handle the truth (or think for themselves.) Good luck with your new "savior."



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luk..i...fer....
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lucifer

lose cipher = look i fear = lucifer

got codes?

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feed
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trophy
effort

shower
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war lid add raid seen across earth (ur)
wor..ld...+....rade..cen....+....ur
world......+rade......cen+ur
world.....trade......center

Did someone open up a can of whoop ass (war lid) and add a raid (+ rade) that was seen across the entire planet of earth/ur (cen+ur)

just some neuro linguistic observations,
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posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 10:28 AM
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It is too late for this disinfo tactics. The evidences has been too many and too strong against the Gov's OS.
Time to wake up and face the reality.



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 10:46 AM
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I think 9/11 trutherism has dwindled since its high point around 2006. Now being in the 10th year with no proof and no confessions is bound to engender a weariness if nothing else.

However, what I believe will kill trutherism overnight is if radical islamic terrorists get through again and cause further heavy civilian casualties.

If, lets hope, that does not happen I think there will just be a gradual decline until there are just a handful for whom it is a hobby. Rather like the people who still want to discuss the blowing up of the USS Maine in Havana harbour 112 years ago :-

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posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 10:55 AM
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Oh Lucifer, how well named !

I just realised how much attention you're seeking by posting a thread with this title, here. While we manifest our anger on this thread, what else is done ?

How much time do you think it'll take before you have to add more combustible ?


P.S. Take the time to read Machiavelli's The Prince, or Sun-Tsu's Art of war.

www.online-literature.com...



...for there were no tumults raised in the kingdom except those they provoked themselves.


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In all fighting, the direct method may be used for joining battle, but indirect methods will be needed in order to secure victory. In battle, there are not more than two methods of attack - the direct and the indirect; yet these two in combination give rise to an endless series of maneuvers. The direct and the indirect lead on to each other in turn. It is like moving in a circle - you never come to an end. Who can exhaust the possibilities of their combination? - Sun Tzu





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