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Is this 9/11 nonsense going to ever go away? ZERO eveidence but still pushing on!

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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by Granite
Not an American...but demanding we take you seriously as legit 911 OP?
Disgusting...and all who S&F you...tird-world trash!



SO MODS why has this been ALLOWED. HE is clearly insulting the OP and yet nothing is done. Maybe I will do the same on this thread and disregard the rules. It clearly states at the bottom of each page that insults like these will result in a posting ban? Are we now allowed to call people "third world TRASH?" Can we now trade insults?

His post has nothing to do with the thread, but merely to incite an argument. I do not see how this acceptable.




posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 01:44 AM
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well It is nice that you did at least attempt to read the information which i do applaud you on...but that figue is the 102 mins from time of impact till the first tower fell 6120/60=102 and so Dereks one again jumps in with an uneducated attempt to back up some misleading Data.

Anyhow like i said it is good to see some people at least attempting to tackle the Data.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 01:51 AM
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Well Daisy I wish i could prove beyond all shadow of a doubt what happened...but it is tough as most physical evidence was removed from site and destroyed....but we can and have been proving verbatim what did not happen...planes did not cause enough structual damage to the buildings to bring down the towers...also building 7 definately did not collapse due to Fire.

But to just believe what we have been told without independant proper investigation...is not right in most peoples eyes.

so lets hope that we don't just shrivel up and go away because there are people that would prefer us not to find out as it would make the killing of over a million Innocent victims of two wars criminal.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 01:52 AM
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I do not think this thread would be moved to any dis-info section based on my OP and my posts or anyone supporting the OS. The OS is worldwide known as the story that stands.

The truthers are the Dis-info antagonists for claims incorrectly and without due care and attention to some plot involving the US gov and Mossad. You lot could be dis-info people and trying to stir up trouble for the majority and offering zero proof but portraying the victims. The ONLY victims died during the TERRORIST attack.

You lot argue that non truthers believe what we hear on the news. Well thats cheap as EVERY story on ATS is from the news and reported by someone. You lot consistently rip headlines straight from the horses mouth and the debate it and believe it. So you are as per usual incorrect and just a little joker with no original thought or sense. Just another non patriot to your country in times of strife.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by Dean Goldberry
It's always the same s#*t, different day on this site.


Just assume you're on a CNN, ABC, or MSNBC discussion board and you'll find it much easier to tolerate



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 02:13 AM
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yes your right about that...it is possible ....so what i am to take from your statement is that you may feel that the buildings were substandard...in all three cases knowing also that tower 7 was not completed till 1987.


THE STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS CARRIED OUT BY THE FIRM OF WORTHINGTON, SKILLING, HELLE & JACKSON IS THE MOST COMPLETE AND DETAILED OF ANY EVER MADE FOR ANY BUILDING STRUCTURE. THE PRELIMINARY CALCULATIONS ALONE COVER 1,200 PAGES AND INVOLVE OVER 100 DETAILED DRAWINGS.
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4. BECAUSE OF ITS CONFIGURATION, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THAT OF A STEEL BEAM 209' DEEP, THE TOWERS ARE ACTUALLY FAR LESS DARING STRUCTURALLY THAN A CONVENTIONAL BUILDING SUCH AS THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING WHERE THE SPINE OR BRACED AREA OF THE BUILDING IS FAR SMALLER IN RELATION TO ITS HEIGHT.
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5. THE BUILDING AS DESIGNED IS SIXTEEN TIMES STIFFER THAN A CONVENTIONAL STRUCTURE. THE DESIGN CONCEPT IS SO SOUND THAT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER HAS BEEN ABLE TO BE ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE IN HIS DESIGN WITHOUT ADVERSELY AFFECTING THE ECONOMICS OF THE STRUCTURE. ...


source


BRITISH CIVIL ENGINEERING JOURNAL FINDS FAULT WITH OFFICIAL STUDY OF WTC COLLAPSE

GEORGE WASHINGTON BLOG SPOT - BYU Physics professor Steven Jones has stated that the government agency tasked with examining the collapse of the World Trade Centers did not investigate any anomalies in the collapse of the buildings, failing to even examine any evidence regarding the buildings' impossible near free-fall speeds and symmetrical collapses, apparent demolition squibs, the fact that the buildings turned to dust in mid-air, the presence of molten metal in the basement areas in large pools in all of the buildings, or the unexplained straightening out of the upper 34 floors of the South Tower after they had precipitously leaned over and started toppling like a tree.

I just ran across an article from a respected civil engineering trade journal which backs up Professor Jones' claim that the government did not really examine the conditions immediately prior to collapse or the collapses themselves. Specifically, the article from the journal of the 180-year old UK Institution of Civil Engineers states:

"World Trade Center disaster investigators are refusing to show computer visualizations of the collapse of the Twin Towers despite calls from leading structural and fire engineers."

The article goes on to state "a leading U.S. structural engineer said, 'By comparison [to the modeling of fires] the global structural model is not as sophisticated' . . . The software used has been pushed to new limits, and there have been a lot of simplifications, extrapolations and judgment calls . . . it would be hard to produce a definitive visualization from the analysis so far.'"

In other words, the U.S. structural engineer is saying that even the non-visual computer models which NIST used to examine why the trade centers collapsed are faulty.

georgewashington.blogspot.com...


source

cause i always try to use multiple sources



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 02:58 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 03:35 AM
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There is a YouTube video that shows all the facts the Truth Movement has gotten right.

It takes a little wile to load.





posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 03:41 AM
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Originally posted by ritualmurder911

Originally posted by L1U2C3I4F5E6R
reply to post by Granite
 


The truthers are the Dis-info antagonists



no, cupcake. that's you.


Another nobody posting one liners for hero points. Sorry to disappoint but the truthers are still on the losing side. You lot do not listen to advise or learn from history. Dissenters should have a case with undeniable provable iron clad evidence if you are to stand a chance of not being consistently derided and looked down upon for lavish but flawed hack. So thanks for the condescending comment with the cupcake, but it looks like you have incurred the wrath of the mods already in your short time on here -477 points so I will take it that you are just trying to act the big man. FAILED!

Another truther to add to the pile of ZERO to contribute in the way of evidence and fact. But a plus 1 for his wit (sarcasm).



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 03:48 AM
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reply to post by L1U2C3I4F5E6R
 

A friend of our family was a stewardess on one of the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center on that morning.
My first cousin, who was heavily pregnant at the time, ran (RAN!) down god-knows-how-many flights of stairs; only to be shoved into a taxi-cab, barely escaping the dust cloud.
Still Yet: I and many, many, many Americans have our doubts as to what really happened that day.
Part (a large one) of what makes America great, is our blood, sweat, and tears granted right of freedom...
[Freedom in all senses of the word]
...to question the facts.

What, exactly were the Israelis up to in the months and moments leading up to that fateful day?

Why did the twin towers implode? (granted, some may say that this is because of inherent engineering designs that prevent damage to adjacent buildings.)

Where was the wing wreckage at the Pentagon impact? (can civilian scientists NOT test for the presence of Aluminum at the impact zone?)

When did the famous quote: "Let's Roll" get uttered?
Was that plane headed towards the Capitol Building (where my brother-in-law was) or towards Camp David?
Did that man save my brother-in-law's life?

You ask your question so off-handedly, that I wonder if you truly remember, if you truly can still feel the impact.

It's as if you're telling us: "When are you morons going to shut up about it?"
(A statement in the form of a question)



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 04:19 AM
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reply to post by L1U2C3I4F5E6R
 


The posts from truthers on this thread have time and again provided the evidence, which you (lucifer) conveniently ignore, before asking for it again. And again. And again. etc

Even your username offers a clue as to your intentions



You are living in a 2D world where you believe that people care what you think. I'm posting this for the benefit of passive observers/newcomers to the 9-11 debate. They need to know that you are serving up pure disinformation and lies, and you are blatantly ignoring the evidence.

Despite compliance in providing evidence, you continue your tirade, swallowing up the evidential posts with your tyrannical ranting, so that anyone who comes along and views the thread for the first time will be overwhelmed by your aggression

Your intention is to make sure these newcomers mistake your aggression and your ridicule of truthers for a passionate stance concerning the apparent truth of the official story (OS) being perpetrated by the mainstream media (MSM)

Still, we all know that YOU KNOW THE TRUTH, but that there is some benefit being provided to you, by the perpetrators in all likelihood, while you continue to ridicule the truth movement. The truth will out.

September Clues



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 04:59 AM
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Originally posted by L1U2C3I4F5E6R

Originally posted by Granite
reply to post by L1U2C3I4F5E6R
 


Agent0 wasn't posting to you...only Americans who served in an officer position.
Have you served?
Ah...Lucifer...


Are you blind? He WAS posting directly to ME. go back and check. Have I served in the US military? NO. Im not American and after Secondary School (High School in North America) I went to University. I was not poached to die straight out of high school.

I only assumed you were speaking about the Military when you asked have I served. Not asking about anything else.
The entire content of the deleted post was insofar referring to the OP as she’s misnaming the thread in such a horrible and disrespectful manner; the heinous crimes against humanity that were committed on 9/11, she dares to call simply nonsense with ZERO eveidence, evidence I assume.



Originally posted by Granite
Agent0 wasn't posting to you...only Americans who served in an officer position.
Have you served?
The entire content of the deleted post was also referring to every military and intelligence officer on this board: Please, sign the Petition!
Thank You!






Originally posted by L1U2C3I4F5E6R
Agent0,

Could you answer me a question? If a serving member of the US Military is with the 9/11 truth movement, which is really accsing the US gov of complicity in the attacks how can they serve the US military fairly? You would therefor be just as complicit in all illegal actions you undertake from the US mil and Gov.

And, If the US gov was involved surely they would stop any serving Military members from being part of such a farce as it compromises ethics and questions loyalty. And why have they not stopped all pensions or threatened to do something similar to all past US forces members as a way of deterring such treasonous actions.

"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country."

– Theodor Roosevelt




May some queries confront you in return? [They are of simple philosophical nature and must not be answered in return.]
What are your professional qualifications that entitle your statement of ZERO evidence?
Are you a Pilot or an Astronaut?
Are you Architect or Engineer?
Are you Military or Intelligence Officer?
Are you Military or Intelligence expert?
Are you Firefighter or Controlled Demolition expert?
Are you LEO or PI, with speciality in what exactly?
Are you university professor or any other graduated scholar with profound knowledge relating 9/11?
Are you a Ph.D or a historian with main emphasis on 20th century?
Are you legally in charge to question 9/11 and if so; through whom and when was it authorized?
Are you an eye-witness or a survivor of the catastrophic events on 9/11?
Are you at least a terrorist or a kid with basic knowledge of false flag terrorism and black ops?


What are you that you want to joggle "We The People" in its core?


Your demeanor points to an aura that reflects the colors of a young soul and that in turn excuses all, even a misnamed title.


Respectfully,
Agent0



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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 05:11 AM
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The OP is right; I can't wait for the day when the truth page website says "9/11 was an outside job". These conspiracy theories; well 99% of them have been debunked. It is part of the reason why the politics in the United States are so crazy right now (distrust of government).

The OP is 100% correct.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 05:15 AM
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Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
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Even your username offers a clue as to your intentions



Thats right brains. My user name reflects the fact im a Luciferian as I have stated on different threads on this site. So well done there smarty pants. You mock my beliefs. But i am better than you and take no direct offense.

My stance on the OS is firmly routed in my belief. Yet you story tellers or truthers seek to belittle the deaths of the 3000. The evidence you speak of on this site is assumption. NOT FACT. Not one person here test the steel beams, not one person here was in the building whent he plane hit to see the impact of feel the impact, not one person here has experience in two 1300 foot buildings and how they collapse under this kind of event. Everything is limited guess work playing forces of nature that are only assumed and not really known for SURE.

So there is no possible way that the """evidence""" these truthers have is legitimate because this has not taken place before and therefor has no comparative data. All the data generated for this attack and its effects are at best educated guess work. So get YOUR fact right before bombarding me with your rhetoric. You seek reward where there is none.



Popular Mechanics and NIST have rejected the conspiracy theory. And I quote:

"The civil engineering establishment generally accepts that the impacts of jet aircraft at high speeds in combination with subsequent fires, rather than controlled demolition, led to the collapse of the Twin Towers."

But you cant except that so you keep searching till you find something you like!

You will never believe anything but what your minds have created. YOU want to hear only that the US gov and Mossad and Reptiles and Holograms were all part of the attack controlled by a group of covert inter agency secret people. Does that sound even sane to you?

Does it sound sane to you the conversation that must of taken place between all these people to organize this attack and carry it off so well. Do you not believe that two women one the wife of US solicitor General made calls and said the planes had been hijacked and they were herded to the back of the plane. No reason to LIE when you are about to die.

Oh you will say that its impossible for men with box cutters and knives to hijack a plane? NO its not. The fear factor was involved. Simple.

there is no proof just circumstantial jargon and each with lots of holes in it. None of the so called evidence has been ignored. that right when people don't join the gullible train you accuse them of everything under the sun.




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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 05:21 AM
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Originally posted by Ignorance_Defier
The OP is right; I can't wait for the day when the truth page website says "9/11 was an outside job". These conspiracy theories; well 99% of them have been debunked. It is part of the reason why the politics in the United States are so crazy right now (distrust of government).

The OP is 100% correct.


The OP is wrong; I can't wait for the day when the OS page website says "9/11 was an inside job". The OS, well 99% of it have been debunked.

The OP is 100% wrong.

You see,mate, it's all a matter of perspective. No one can say who is right or wrong. And even in your post you admit there is still 1% that has not been debunked.

So how can the OS be 100% correct?

VVV



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 05:37 AM
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When Americans start asking Why would Terrorists do this, Instead of Who put the Explosives there, they
might actually stumble onto the truth.



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by L1U2C3I4F5E6R

Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
reply to post by L1U2C3I4F5E6R
 




Even your username offers a clue as to your intentions



Thats right brains. My user name reflects the fact im a Luciferian as I have stated on different threads on this site. So well done there smarty pants. You mock my beliefs. But i am better than you and take no direct offense.

My stance on the OS is firmly routed in my belief.

So there is no possible way that the """evidence""" these truthers have is legitimate because this has not taken place before and therefor has no comparative data. All the data generated for this attack and its effects are at best educated guess work. So get YOUR fact right before bombarding me with your rhetoric. You seek reward where there is none.



You will never believe anything but what your minds have created. YOU want to hear only that the US gov and Mossad and Reptiles and Holograms were all part of the attack controlled by a group of covert inter agency secret people. Does that sound even sane to you?

Does it sound sane to you the conversation that must of taken place between all these people to organize this attack and carry it off so well. Do you not believe that two women one the wife of US solicitor General made calls and said the planes had been hijacked and they were herded to the back of the plane. No reason to LIE when you are about to die.

Oh you will say that its impossible for men with box cutters and knives to hijack a plane? NO its not. The fear factor was involved. Simple.

there is no proof just circumstantial jargon and each with lots of holes in it. None of the so called evidence has been ignored. that right when people don't join the gullible train you accuse them of everything under the sun.




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You seek belief where there is none.

Your entire being is based upon belief and disbelief; so does your focus on 9/11 and that answers also all queries in return.

Elaborating your system is built upon belief; your statements should have been written like this:

Does it sound sane to you the conversation that must of taken place between all these people to organize this attack and carry it off so well. I believe that two women one the wife of US solicitor General made calls and said the planes had been hijacked and they were herded to the back of the plane. I believe there is No reason to LIE when you are about to die.

Oh you will say that its impossible for men with box cutters and knives to hijack a plane? I believe NO its not. I believe The fear factor was involved. I believe Simple.




Respectfully,

Agent0
U.S. Military Officers for 9/11 Truth
Intelligence Officers for 9/11 Truth



posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 06:33 AM
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Originally posted by L1U2C3I4F5E6R

Originally posted by ritualmurder911

Originally posted by L1U2C3I4F5E6R
reply to post by Granite
 


The truthers are the Dis-info antagonists



no, cupcake. that's you.


Another nobody posting one liners for hero points.


see? basic comprehension skill disorder. a lot of shills suffer from it dont worry.
oh and dont worry about my -477 points shillette either its all good.


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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 06:33 AM
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You are very simple with your thought process. I have lots of replies to do so excuse my rushed answers but when you say belief its as though you don't have belief. You EITHER believe the story or you do not in which case you believe something else. Im working on your childish questions. The only one I have answered so far is the educational one. it gives nothing away so My degree is in Chemistry and My Masters in Biochemistry. The rest are difficult to answer as you are fishing for personal information in some cases. Very childish questions in some manner. I do not need authority to ask questions on 9/11. So I do not see your point with that questions. I can ask all the questions I want.

A lot of people add support the Troops and support what ever on their signature to seem that they are patriotic to their country. Too seem like they are something they are not.

As for my age im 36. So I will take the "kid" compliment and run with it. Ill look int the other questions in due course. Scientific Data is only as good as the way it was collected. I am not going to debate science with amateurs as often people fudge data and outcomes to support their hypothesis and their method is vastly inaccurate when talking about Lab controlled experiments. There is the proper way and the armchair way and the pieced together way. I will only look at data from Lab controlled experiments with comparative data to draw from. anything else can be misinterpreted and force to fit a large number of circumstances. Its why two opposing legal teams have "experts" with conflicting opinions.




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posted on Sep, 22 2010 @ 06:48 AM
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It 9/11 was a attack by 2 planes against the North(WTC1) and the South (WTC2).
Why do I say this ??
Because I WAS THERE!! and I saw with my own 2 eyes(no camera footage) the planes hit both towers.
And afterward I along with hundreds of other American Patriots dug in the rubble of the collapse.
And there were no mysterious thermite burnt beams.
If you knew how cheaply the twin towers were constructed (I worked in them for 2 years)you would know you did not need any covert demolitions to collapse them once the fires had burnt and melted the supporting trusses.
The twin towers were a house of cards just waiting for the right blow to collapse them,the terrorists found it.



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