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Big Pharma Scores Big Win: Medicinal Herbs Will Disappear in EU

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posted on Sep, 19 2010 @ 11:31 PM
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The problem Is that, in order to be tested and recognized as safe and effective costs millions and millions of dollars. And no one is goin to pay that for something they can't patent and make mad profit from. Therefore, the system is really just set up to destroy competition from big pharma. at the same time it is taking away peoples rights to use medicines that have proven safe and effective (in a system the fda and who does not approve of) which are often much better for you, have minimal side ef$ects, and account for almost no deaths annually. Meanwhile we are subjected to a drug system that is so politicized that proven dangerous drugs regularly get approved, 100000 annual deaths are caused in US for taking them as prescribed, and whistleblowers are penalized, with their careers ruined. You do the math. Ephedrine was outlawed for possibly contributing to 10 deaths one year. Meanwhile tylenol and other nsaids kill 7500 annually, and are perfectly legal.




posted on Sep, 19 2010 @ 11:48 PM
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Ephedrine isn't "outlawed" at all it's available as a prescription medication and dosage is limited to a safe amount in both the US and the UK, if you mean "outlawed" as in you can't buy it in head shops though then your right.



at the same time it is taking away peoples rights to use medicines that have proven safe and effective (in a system the fda and who does not approve of) which are often much better for you, have minimal side ef$ects, and account for almost no deaths annually.


The Eu regulation specifically says that if a remedy has been proven as a traditional medicine to be safe and effective over time then it is excluded from the regulation

In one part of your post you are saying that medicine is safe because it is "proven" and then you are saying that asking for actual "proof " is unfair, which is it? Proof does not consist of rumor speculation and "well my friend said it worked fine"

You site Tylenol as causing deaths yet Tylenol is sold in exactly the manner which you seem to want all drugs to be sold i.e. you can just go and buy it over the counter without prescription or regulation.

So your point is that because one drug is available in a level that is unsafe to the general public without prescription then they should all be?


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posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by davespanner

What terrible affects do you expect from feeding animals herbs?

The reason why animal testing is often cruel is not because animals get fed cough medicine-painkillers. Duh!!! It’s because every (unstudied) chemical component, of the medicine needs to be fed to the animals in various concentrations, e.g. in order to simulate the effects of massive-prolonged use. The way it’s done, and concentrations used is what guarantees that untold animals, will now be suffering in fairly pointless experiments.


Or is your point that you would much rather humans died as part of the testing


It’s merely that Me & You should be free to test the effects of e.g. leaves, bark, mud, whatever we fancy on our bodies, unless it’s banned for being dangerous (and even then I demand I-we have the right to decide what is dangerous (at least when we’ve aged 18, plus).

At no point did I advocate clinical, death trials (that to me, is an entirely Nazi-EU way of thinking!!). I'm just saying if people want to experiment with their health, then a free society must protect this right (whilst never imposing it!).
However, because many advanced EU regions (like Britain) have extensive, collections of NHS patient, records, and because patients are always asked whether they’ve been "taking any treatments", it would be pretty easy to identify any substance that posed a real “public health threat”. More the reason then, why government should only tackle, remedies that are known to be dangerous.

But the biggest outrage is not just that this legislation is “nanny state” but that its nanny state, to reflect drugs industry lobbying, for its anti competition motives.
How can you support an organisation that’s so corrupt, democratically lacking in support, interfering, and therefore clearly very wrong?|


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posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by Liberal1984
y on our bodies, unless it’s banned for being dangerous (and even then I demand I-we have the right to decide what is dangerous (at least when we’ve aged 18, plus).


But you are free to do just that.

This regulation is about what is allowed to be sold as a medicines in shops, not what you are allowed to eat as an individual, you are perfectly free to pick whatever you want from a forest / your garden and eat it, the EU isn't going to stop you.
There is nothing in the regulation about people eating tree bark or toadstools or whatever, just that you aren't allowed to sell a completely untested substance as medicine just because it happens to be made from herbs



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 12:23 AM
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There is another thread on this already:Big Pharma Scores Big Win: Medicinal Herbs Will Dissappear in EU

Same title for the thread even.



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 12:28 AM
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Look at the timestamps. You posted in the wrong thread!



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 01:27 AM
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Sorry to double post.


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posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by davespanners

This regulation is about what is allowed to be sold as a medicines in shops, not what you are allowed to eat as an individual, you are perfectly free to pick whatever you want from a forest / your garden and eat it, the EU isn't going to stop you.


You’re just dodging the point!! Which is: If herbal remedies aren’t available in the shops (just because nanny-state is paranoid, about an (apparent) lack of info) then that (in practice) this is the same thing as saying you being prohibited from experimenting with most natural remedies (I say most, since there is an almost infinite number, that are untested).

I suppose an MEP may have ripped off, enough taxpayers money, to be able to afford his own boat-helicopter trip so he can go mushroom picking in e.g. India-Africa (all according to the advice of his own private herbalist!!).
But for most of us, the shop is the only source, and if that’s gone so to has the medicine (which probably worked safely, anyways).

It’s this that is the violation of freedom. People shouldn’t get distracted about how the EU takes steps towards totalitarianism (unless it’s to figure out its taking them at all).



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 01:35 AM
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Again you are misrepresenting the regulation entirely. You are not banned from importing any plant you want (as long as it isn't a narcotic), buying a plant in a garden center, growing a plant from a seed, or doing anything else with any plant you want in the entire world.

I can buy Chinese ornamental grass in a garden center just down the road from me, I don't have to fly to China to get it.

The regulation only states that these things are not allowed to be sold as MEDICINE when there is no proof that they work as a MEDICINE




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posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 01:53 AM
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Sorry, never saw the other thread.

The thing is this is just another ploy for depopulation by the 'elite'. Their swine flu pandemic failed probably because so many people treat themselves with herbs and supplements. In fact more people died from the vaccine than the swine flu itself. So what better way to keep people unhealthy by taking away their resources to help themselves. Then all they have to do then is to bio-engineer some more nasty bugs. Spread them through the population and hey presto! More deaths, then produce nasty vaccines........and population reduction is at a good rate. Big Pharma is in it for the money. Not to help the human race. They don't give a flying f**k if your kids are dying. 'Here! Take this pill and it will all be over!!'

Just as well I don't have shares in 'Holland And Barrett' !!!!!!!



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 07:44 AM
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If its limited to prescription medication then for all intents and purposes it is outlawed, as western doctors are not trained in the use of natural treatments, and so will rarely suggest them to patients. How often do you see a western doc prescribe goldenseal or echinacea?

Traditional herbal medicines that have had thousands of years of use have in the past enjoyed the status of GRAS (generally recognized as safe) however, they are currently trying to find new ways to regulate what qualifies under the status of GRAS in order to limit the herbs available under that category.

I do say they have been proven safe, as they have been tested under the systems that they have been practiced in, such as the chinese paradigm, herbs have been subjected to testing and use by doctors there for millenia (indeed, most of our medicine and the worlds originated from there)...however, it is unfair to "test" them by western methods because they dont work in the same way. In western tests, they try to isolate the compounds to find a single effective chemical agent, and herbs simply dont work this way. Its often the specific combination of compounds in the plant that are therapeutic together. Furthermore, western medicine often tries to synthetically reproduce these compounds (from petroleum molecules usually) and use THAT in the testing, rather than the natural product, and this often has drastically different results, such as D2 helping prevent cancer, while D3 (which is what they synthesized and tested...and put in your milk) actually being shown to contribute to cancer. Same with E, while in natural form it is found to reduce mortality from heart disease by 27% in some studies, in synth form it does.....very little.

My point with the tylenol comment...since you seem to have been unable to figure out what I thought was pretty clear....was that by outlawing an herb, which has a history of safe and effective use, but MAY have been contributory to 10 deaths, but leaving tylenol and other nsaids which kill 7500 people annually AS PRESCRIBED, they are showing an obvious bias of promoting pharmeceutical drugs and prohibiting natural herbs.

Further, for all you saying how this does not limit your freedoms, you can just go grow it or find it in the wild. What you are failing to consider is the fact that they also make it near illegal for professionals to EDUCATE you on how to use it. Imagine how dangerous it would be if they just took all pharmaceuticals, put them on a shelf in a store and said you could buy it, but made it illegal for them to label how to use it and what for, and fined anyone who tried to prescribe it for your use. That, essentially, takes away your freedom to choose the treatment you want with all the information you need. Sorry, but most people have no clue how to treat themselves naturally, and get all kinds of ridiculous info from the net. This is what ND's (naturopathic doctors) are for, but our current systems are making it harder and harder for them to practice, indeed in some states they cannot get a license at all, despite the fact that they have a 4 year post graduate 300,000 dollar education that includes and surpasses that of regular MD's.



posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 08:37 AM
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You make some good points and maybe you are seeing problems with the regulations that I don't because you know more about it
So i'm going to submit to your points on this issue
I don't have anything against herbal remedies at all, I've used St Johns wort myself in the past and found it effective...



posted on Oct, 3 2010 @ 12:45 PM
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Well this certainly proves there is no conspiracy. It's right out in the open and they flaunt it. We are too disorganized and cowed for TPTB to listen to us so they are very open now in roping us in to toe the corporate line. This has nothing to do with capitalism by the way. It is a power grab by mercantile interests and government. Even if we had a complete socialist system there would alway be an elite who want control the rest of us. Someone on this thread said they would go postal if codex is enacted here. Better buy your guns now. Raw milk was just the beginning.


Originally posted by stevcolx
I hope to hell we can fight this:

gaia-health.com...




Big Pharma has almost reached the finish line of its decades-long battle to wipe out all competition. As of 1 April 2011—less than eight months from now—virtually all medicinal herbs will become illegal in the European Union. The approach in the United States is a bit different, but it's having the same devastating effect. The people have become nothing more than sinks for whatever swill Big Pharma and Agribusiness choose to send our way, and we have no option but to pay whatever rates they want.


I use supplements and herbal medicine to treat all sorts including high blood pressure. I don't want to take Big Pharma's medicines because they don't always work and sometimes make you worse. Look at cancer. Using radiology etc to treat cancer does nothing but set you on a course of planned death. Best way to fight cancer would be supplements etc such as Vitamin B-17, Vitamin D, Calcium. Vitamin B-17 is the best if the cancer is caught early.

I'm going to stock up on my supplements and research more on herbal medicine. If Big Ass Pharma wants to make it illegal? Well then I'm a f**kin criminal!!!!!



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 09:54 PM
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Instead of us being negative, does anyone have a comprehensive list of herbs to be banned? We could certainly grow our own, it would be difficult for them to police. Plus any links to good sources of info/practioners. The only way to defeat this is to become more knowledgeable and take action ourselves.



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 02:29 AM
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I would like to draw attention for this call for funding a Society for Preservation of Natural Ways of Healing:
www.christian-reincarnation.com...
Please pass this on to spread the message!
I think that this is really a good idea!

Here is some more interesting information:
www.naturalnews.com...
As you can see, the costs for getting an approval are so extremely high that smaller companies will never afford it!
Bit the Big Pharma easily does for there chemical stuff.
That is the purpose: Kill the competition by starving them out of business!



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 02:35 AM
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They are powerless to do anything because they are lumped together as a unit.

Seems like a victory for corporate technofascism any time they group nations 'together'.

So, the only thing a loss of sovereignty brings is swifter fascist 'change'.

They ought to break up, as nations. Corporations are far too greedy and need to be taken down a few notches.



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