Robert Byrd urges whites to vote and "push for power"

Jesus Christ, people. When in the history of the United States has a white man ever been unable to get a decent, well-paying job - any decent, well-paying job - due solely to his race? When has a white person ever been told that he can't sit where he wants to because of his race? When have the majority of white people been enslaved, forbidden from voting, forbidden from attending the same schools as other races, treated as subhuman by the powerful elites of another race, or ever had to wear his skin color as a burden, instead of a simple fact of life?

The reason that black pride is okay and white pride is not is because African-Americans have been consistently oppressed and mistreated by the dominant white culture for centuries. The reason the double standard of racism and racial pride is permissible but still f***ed up is because minorities in America still have to deal with being minorities. No, a black man is probably not going to get lynched for dating a white woman. No, a black woman is not likely to be jailed for refusing to give up her seat to a white woman. No, African-Americans are not generally prohibited from voting by thinly-veiled racist policies. But the fact is that racism in America persists, and without a concerted effort to keep people aware that, yes, racism exists and, yes, people are still affected by it, then we lapse into complacency.

Every single person who has ever said, "Why are black people allowed to say 'the n-word' and whites aren't?" or "Why can black people promote black pride and whites can't promote white pride?" or any other bull# question like that is an ignorant moron who needs to be slapped upside the head. In case you weren't aware, racial biases still exist, discrimination still happens, and black people have to work together as a community to resist it. Ever heard of "divide and conquer"? That's what the elites who tell you black pride is a bad thing are doing.

Remember that, for hundreds of years, African-Americans were still oppressed. As recently as forty years ago, lenders and real estate agents conspired to place all non-whites in specific areas of the city. Moreover, the economic devastation of slavery on minorities led to poverty which has persisted to this day, forcing many African-Americans to live in, yes, the ghetto and to depend on state and federal assistance. Combine this with lower-quality schools and job discrimination and you have a recipe for enforced poverty. Yes, some African-Americans have become wealthy through hard work, but many have not. The attitude that "school is for losers" among many African-American youths has been reinforced by the fact that inner-city schools cannot afford to hire good teachers or offer programs that actually interest and engage students. Furthermore, the stereotypical view is still held by many people (black and white, poor and rich) that blacks can only be successful in athletics or music, and that any other career path is unlikely to be rewarding, which further discourages black students from doing well.

The fact is that the groups that President Obama was speaking to are the ones that are attempting to fight these attitudes. You claim that black mobilization being acceptable and white mobilization being unacceptable is a double standard, and it is, but it is one of the few that a) doesn't exist (look at any Republican rally and determine the ratio of whites to minorities; do the same with the rally that Obama was it) and b) actually makes sense, to some extent. The fact is that mobilizing whites trends towards overt racism because the only issues that should appeal exclusively to white people are ones with racist motives. On the other hand, mobilizing minorities in the face of white apathy is essential to actually getting things done, because the failure to do so would mean that segregation would probably exist to this day.

Minorities have to face three kinds of challenging attitudes: the ill-intentioned ignorance (that is, overt racism), the well-intentioned ignorance (ex. the idea that inner-city schools should invest in recording studio technology and athletics to train minority students for a future in the music industry and professional sports, never mind that few ever successfully pursue either of those career paths and that this only reinforces the notion that these are the only opportunities for black students to be successful), and the ignorance-born apathy/antipathy (the idea that racism is not a serious issue or that somehow blacks attempting to organize and work together is the same thing as the KKK burning crosses and intimidating blacks). Without a concerted effort at organization, it's unlikely that these issues could even be addressed by minorities.

These are the facts. I'll probably check back on this thread, but don't expect a reply except to clarify my point or refute a particularly well-made response, not that I expect anyone ignorant enough to try and articulate such a response will be able to craft one.

Au revoir.

when has a white guy not been able to get a job?
I dunno take a look at the Irish immigrants.

reply to post by pr3l33t

Good point, only whites are racist. Oh, and there were no white slaves either. And you can slap me upside the head too, because I am a racist.
Black pride is ok, in the 60's. when blacks didn't get special privileges or get a job over more qualified candidates because a business has to meet certain quota or get brownie points on certain tests for jobs such as firemen or polices officers or EVEN TO GET INTO COLLEGE, that whites and Asians don't get, NOTE i say ok. Black power t shirts are a sign of one group claiming racial superiority, to think other wise would call for a "slap upside the head". Times have changed buddy. Pull your thick head outa your ass and wake up and smell the coffee.

Originally posted by Solasis
*rubs head*
I await your reply which accuses ;me of either being a dupe or a race traitor -- though I know you won't use those last two words.

I vote dupe,
voting hasnt mattered for 50 years or more since they killed Kennedy.

Originally posted by pr3l33t
Jesus Christ, people. When in the history of the United States has a white man ever been unable to get a decent, well-paying job - any decent, well-paying job - due solely to his race? When has a white person ever been told that he can't sit where he wants to because of his race? When have the majority of white people been enslaved, forbidden from voting, forbidden from attending the same schools as other races, treated as subhuman by the powerful elites of another race, or ever had to wear his skin color as a burden, instead of a simple fact of life?

The reason that black pride is okay and white pride is not is because African-Americans have been consistently oppressed and mistreated by the dominant white culture for centuries. The reason the double standard of racism and racial pride is permissible but still f***ed up is because minorities in America still have to deal with being minorities. No, a black man is probably not going to get lynched for dating a white woman. No, a black woman is not likely to be jailed for refusing to give up her seat to a white woman. No, African-Americans are not generally prohibited from voting by thinly-veiled racist policies. But the fact is that racism in America persists, and without a concerted effort to keep people aware that, yes, racism exists and, yes, people are still affected by it, then we lapse into complacency.

Every single person who has ever said, "Why are black people allowed to say 'the n-word' and whites aren't?" or "Why can black people promote black pride and whites can't promote white pride?" or any other bull# question like that is an ignorant moron who needs to be slapped upside the head. In case you weren't aware, racial biases still exist, discrimination still happens, and black people have to work together as a community to resist it. Ever heard of "divide and conquer"? That's what the elites who tell you black pride is a bad thing are doing.

Remember that, for hundreds of years, African-Americans were still oppressed. As recently as forty years ago, lenders and real estate agents conspired to place all non-whites in specific areas of the city. Moreover, the economic devastation of slavery on minorities led to poverty which has persisted to this day, forcing many African-Americans to live in, yes, the ghetto and to depend on state and federal assistance. Combine this with lower-quality schools and job discrimination and you have a recipe for enforced poverty. Yes, some African-Americans have become wealthy through hard work, but many have not. The attitude that "school is for losers" among many African-American youths has been reinforced by the fact that inner-city schools cannot afford to hire good teachers or offer programs that actually interest and engage students. Furthermore, the stereotypical view is still held by many people (black and white, poor and rich) that blacks can only be successful in athletics or music, and that any other career path is unlikely to be rewarding, which further discourages black students from doing well.

The fact is that the groups that President Obama was speaking to are the ones that are attempting to fight these attitudes. You claim that black mobilization being acceptable and white mobilization being unacceptable is a double standard, and it is, but it is one of the few that a) doesn't exist (look at any Republican rally and determine the ratio of whites to minorities; do the same with the rally that Obama was it) and b) actually makes sense, to some extent. The fact is that mobilizing whites trends towards overt racism because the only issues that should appeal exclusively to white people are ones with racist motives. On the other hand, mobilizing minorities in the face of white apathy is essential to actually getting things done, because the failure to do so would mean that segregation would probably exist to this day.

Minorities have to face three kinds of challenging attitudes: the ill-intentioned ignorance (that is, overt racism), the well-intentioned ignorance (ex. the idea that inner-city schools should invest in recording studio technology and athletics to train minority students for a future in the music industry and professional sports, never mind that few ever successfully pursue either of those career paths and that this only reinforces the notion that these are the only opportunities for black students to be successful), and the ignorance-born apathy/antipathy (the idea that racism is not a serious issue or that somehow blacks attempting to organize and work together is the same thing as the KKK burning crosses and intimidating blacks). Without a concerted effort at organization, it's unlikely that these issues could even be addressed by minorities.

These are the facts. I'll probably check back on this thread, but don't expect a reply except to clarify my point or refute a particularly well-made response, not that I expect anyone ignorant enough to try and articulate such a response will be able to craft one.

Au revoir.

edit on 19-9-2010 by pr3l33t because: (no reason given)

edit on 19-9-2010 by pr3l33t because: Fixed a typo.

A long useless post.
There is a war on,
and your side is losing.

Originally posted by pr3l33t
Jesus Christ, people. When in the history of the United States has a white man ever been unable to get a decent, well-paying job - any decent, well-paying job - due solely to his race? When has a white person ever been told that he can't sit where he wants to because of his race? When have the majority of white people been enslaved, forbidden from voting, forbidden from attending the same schools as other races, treated as subhuman by the powerful elites of another race, or ever had to wear his skin color as a burden, instead of a simple fact of life?

The reason that black pride is okay and white pride is not is because African-Americans have been consistently oppressed and mistreated by the dominant white culture for centuries. The reason the double standard of racism and racial pride is permissible but still f***ed up is because minorities in America still have to deal with being minorities. No, a black man is probably not going to get lynched for dating a white woman. No, a black woman is not likely to be jailed for refusing to give up her seat to a white woman. No, African-Americans are not generally prohibited from voting by thinly-veiled racist policies. But the fact is that racism in America persists, and without a concerted effort to keep people aware that, yes, racism exists and, yes, people are still affected by it, then we lapse into complacency.

Every single person who has ever said, "Why are black people allowed to say 'the n-word' and whites aren't?" or "Why can black people promote black pride and whites can't promote white pride?" or any other bull# question like that is an ignorant moron who needs to be slapped upside the head. In case you weren't aware, racial biases still exist, discrimination still happens, and black people have to work together as a community to resist it. Ever heard of "divide and conquer"? That's what the elites who tell you black pride is a bad thing are doing.

Remember that, for hundreds of years, African-Americans were still oppressed. As recently as forty years ago, lenders and real estate agents conspired to place all non-whites in specific areas of the city. Moreover, the economic devastation of slavery on minorities led to poverty which has persisted to this day, forcing many African-Americans to live in, yes, the ghetto and to depend on state and federal assistance. Combine this with lower-quality schools and job discrimination and you have a recipe for enforced poverty. Yes, some African-Americans have become wealthy through hard work, but many have not. The attitude that "school is for losers" among many African-American youths has been reinforced by the fact that inner-city schools cannot afford to hire good teachers or offer programs that actually interest and engage students. Furthermore, the stereotypical view is still held by many people (black and white, poor and rich) that blacks can only be successful in athletics or music, and that any other career path is unlikely to be rewarding, which further discourages black students from doing well.

The fact is that the groups that President Obama was speaking to are the ones that are attempting to fight these attitudes. You claim that black mobilization being acceptable and white mobilization being unacceptable is a double standard, and it is, but it is one of the few that a) doesn't exist (look at any Republican rally and determine the ratio of whites to minorities; do the same with the rally that Obama was it) and b) actually makes sense, to some extent. The fact is that mobilizing whites trends towards overt racism because the only issues that should appeal exclusively to white people are ones with racist motives. On the other hand, mobilizing minorities in the face of white apathy is essential to actually getting things done, because the failure to do so would mean that segregation would probably exist to this day.

Minorities have to face three kinds of challenging attitudes: the ill-intentioned ignorance (that is, overt racism), the well-intentioned ignorance (ex. the idea that inner-city schools should invest in recording studio technology and athletics to train minority students for a future in the music industry and professional sports, never mind that few ever successfully pursue either of those career paths and that this only reinforces the notion that these are the only opportunities for black students to be successful), and the ignorance-born apathy/antipathy (the idea that racism is not a serious issue or that somehow blacks attempting to organize and work together is the same thing as the KKK burning crosses and intimidating blacks). Without a concerted effort at organization, it's unlikely that these issues could even be addressed by minorities.

These are the facts. I'll probably check back on this thread, but don't expect a reply except to clarify my point or refute a particularly well-made response, not that I expect anyone ignorant enough to try and articulate such a response will be able to craft one.

Au revoir.

edit on 19-9-2010 by pr3l33t because: (no reason given)

edit on 19-9-2010 by pr3l33t because: Fixed a typo.

A long useless post.
There is a war on,
and your side is losing.
You are now the minority
in ten percent of counties.

this isn't racist. he would say the same thing to a room full of whites or mexicans or whoever.
hes just trying to get votes.



Good...I would like to hear him say this to a room full of people other than those he has addressed.

The problem is...sorry to say...I do not believe he would say what he did to a room full of those other than he has addressed. Reason: Because, Obama is the great pretender. He speaks to those he knows (or "pretends" he knows)...that is the Black Caucus, in this instance. To garner "votes, he will bend and become a chameleon. As a politician, he is nothing more than an actor...one peg higher...but an actor, no less.

Everything that is said is done so in order to solicit the reactions that are so quick coming, not only on this forum, but also in society.

The reactions are what THEY want...Racism is what TPTB are pushing for....divide the house...and it falls...

Been said before, but it is something worth remembering.

In otherwords, what he said to the Black Caucus could be taken by EVERY American as a cry to vote....but it doesn't mean vote to help Obama....use the steam to pave the way to vote him out....not keep him in. Vote in November....Vote as ONE America...not one divided.

~holly

reply to post by roguetechie


Speak more slowly? Not at all.

Say something actually accurate and not just broad brush hate? Yes, that would be nice please.

reply to post by pr3l33t
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Take a look around man. Black culture is dominating right now. This generation of whites might as well be black. Too bad it's rap everybody's listenin' to instead of the good ole BLUES. People just need to let it die. I'm a 22 yr old southerner and I've never had a slave or lynched anybody... I don't think anybody else around here has either.

white power, besides racism, is terrorism

black power, is just being proud

So, OP, are you totally unaware of American history, or is it just that you have some personal opposition to the civil rights struggle that defined the mid-20th century?

You are claiming that there are no political concerns unique to black people; this ignores centuries of systematized political disenfranchisement endured by blacks in America.

Why are the concerns of a section of America whose rights went unrepresented for centuries any less valid than those of other congressional caucuses?


How would you feel if the situation were reversed in American history-- if white people had won equality at the end of centuries of slavery and decades of sanctioned discrimination-- and you heard someone express the opinion that white people's political concerns, less than fifty years after desegregation, were nonexistent or irrelevant? You'd be pretty damn mad, and rightfully so.

Any group with special political interests will- and should- consolidate what power they have, at and below the congressional level, to advance those interests. This is how democracy works, and how Congress, at least in theory, is supposed to represent the interests of three hundred fifty million people from all kinds of backgrounds. If white people had pressing white-only issues to worry about, we would have our own caucus, and only a racist would deny us our right to form one.

If white people want a caucus (caucus, the irony in that name) fine...

People can join it if they would like... Now if this group began trying to oppress other people, then I would take issue. White people in America have a burden which we cannot scrub with any amount of effort, much of it is perception due to history; and what power do we wield over that?

IMO race will not be a major issue within a hundred years, our kids are so much more accepting and they wont give a damn to use this silly prop one way or the other, they will be too busy being screwed by this corprotacracy dressed up as freedom... Arguing the merits of why the poor multi Trillionaire needs a another tax reduction

We are all free to think what we want, we are free to meet with who we want and we are free to be outraged at what we want. What can you do??? Jack squat -

Salty,

I have one question. Why the crap is there a "Black Caucus" to begin with?

No Miss White America Pageant?

No United European College Fund?

No NAAWP?

Ignore the first few posters. They are obviously blind to the overt racism in this pres.

You know as well as I do that ANYTHING that could be construed as "Pro White" is racist.

Oh well. Takes all kinds.

Originally posted by Faiol
white power, besides racism, is terrorism

black power, is just being proud

Faiol, by your name I would guess you were VERY white. Celt blood? Your trolling.

Stupid trolls should be ignored.

Originally posted by felonius

Originally posted by Faiol
white power, besides racism, is terrorism

black power, is just being proud

Faiol, by your name I would guess you were VERY white. Celt blood? Your trolling.

Stupid trolls should be ignored.

i was hoping he was being sarcastic.

Alright, for EVERYONE's information, was there no WHITE SLAVES in history? If you believe there was not, you are as ignorant as the government wants you. Then you will come out and say that, "well the majority", how different is that to what you are screaming about now. Were those white slaves any different than the black slaves? Did they have more POWER?

My God folks, wake up. It is NOT a race thing. It is not the blacks vs the browns vs the yellow vs the whites.

It is the people with the power that separate us by what? By our very own property. They take our individual freedoms/property and promise security.

To those that would trade security for liberty, will get neither and deserve neither.

Are you going to be happy when they give you your 6x10 public housing unit with 3 squares a day? Sounds like a prison to me.

Why the crap is there a "Black Caucus" to begin with?

To further the divide, that is it. They do not want people to become aware who the true tyrants are. Those in power behind the curtain and the sycophants that push their agenda.

(caucus, the irony in that name)

I always found it amusing. By definition it is a political group that pushes a specific agenda. Kind of funny how race could be considered a political group. What about forming the anti establishment caucus. I suppose that would be considered a terrorist organization. Oh, what am I thinking? They have already done that, that is called conservatives, veterans, etc etc etc.

Arguing the merits of why the poor multi Trillionaire needs a another tax reduction

YOU and I both know these tax cuts being argued is a lie. Those that make enough money do NOT pay ANY taxes. That is what the lawyers, trusts, foundations, etc are for.

The taxes on those making over 200k are to rid the competition that the mega corps face from small business. The mega corps and the banks behind the government never pay taxes. They are protected from that.

Why are the concerns of a section of America whose rights went unrepresented for centuries any less valid than those of other congressional caucuses?

Wow, so you are going to say that because in the distant past people had their rights abrogated, that we should allow the same thing today? How bout just enforcing the rights of EVERYONE, to individual freedom and the rights to property without it being STOLEN by the government?

You know, equal under the LAW.

If white people had pressing white-only issues to worry about, we would have our own caucus, and only a racist would deny us our right to form one.

Right, what fairy tale world do you live in. A group that is NOT race only, is attacked dayly for being a racist organization. 79% of the Tea Party movement is white, I guess they are only gathering of like minded individuals and all you hear from the MSM is how racist they are. You need to wake up to the drivel you are spewing.

Originally posted by Solasis
RACISM DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

Sure it does. It's very simple. Obama uses his position of POWER in order to try to gather votes based upon skin color. That's racism. Hiding behind 'equality or balance' is just a lack of transparency and a lie on his part. Racism is racism. Pure and simple.

Why was the title changed? David Duke would make more sense than Robert Byrd. Byrd dropped his associations with the Klan and apologized for his racism.

Are we on this old "Black people have stuff I don't have" tip.

washingtonindependent.com...

Blacks as a group have far less wealth than whites. Do not tell me about fancy cars in the ghettos. You will just prove you know nothing about wealth. (a car is a depreciating "asset" and it truth can be considered a liability as it requires money to keep it running that you won't get back).

Are they taking all your cushy jobs? No.
aapf.org...

It's mostly white women. Since white women tend to marry white men, white men benefit. But if you need to blame anyone you should be blaming white ladies and Nixon. Even the Labor Department admits this.

You want white TV? Turn on any other channel except BET and Telemundo/Univision.

You want that "whites only" scholarship?
www.collegescholarships.org...
Pick your school strategically and you can get one. TSU has been doing it for the last ten years.

And people are whining about "Black Culture" taking over? Get over it. It's not "Black Culture" as Blacks in Africa are not likely to do what African-American blacks do. It's called "American culture". For better or worse, Rap is a part of that. But, this all BS anyway. People sit there and whine like Blacks in this country have it so damn cushy, but would you trade places? No. So why are you QQing again? You are still likely to have more money, a better education and a better shot at upward mobility.

Tim Wise articulates these points better than I can.

The funny part here is wealth/education gap just gets wider and wider every year. We are going to be living in a country which is going to be close to 50% minority and they will be far less likely to have any real wealth as compared to Whites. It's a rather volatile setup. Yet there you guys are, proclaiming Blacks are just taking everything in this country.

Seriously, if they are, they completely fail at it.

reply to post by antonia


Someone whined about the use of David Duke so I changed it to SOMEONE that had power.

Tell me, what percentage is the black population?

en.wikipedia.org...

12.4%

And you bringing up BET is a perfect example of racism.

A wholly run network for a specific race. Can you point out another wholly race ran channel that is white?

Besides MSNBC?

Tell me, the Tea Party is about 79% white, WOW look at what the demographics for whites-75%! Imagine THAT!?

Blah blah blah.

Whites are the only ones that can be racist. We know we know.

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
reply to post by antonia

 

Someone whined about the use of David Duke so I changed it to SOMEONE that had power.

Byrd is dead, nor was his power that great. Either way he didn't die a racist.

Tell me, what percentage is the black population?

en.wikipedia.org...

12.4%

Your point?

And you bringing up BET is a perfect example of racism.

A wholly run network for a specific race. Can you point out another wholly race ran channel that is white?

Besides MSNBC?

BET is run by Whites. It's essentially white people telling black people what they are. Agian, like I said if you are dying for some white TV turn on House or something. Pretty much all TV programming is aimed at whites as they make up the majority of the population.

Tell me, the Tea Party is about 79% white, WOW look at what the demographics for whites-75%! Imagine THAT!?

Blah blah blah.

What does that have to do with anything I said?

Whites are the only ones that can be racist. We know we know.

edit on 20-9-2010 by saltheart foamfollower because: (no reason given)

I didn't say that. I did say Whites have the power in this country though. To sit there and pretend somehow blacks are stealing everything that isn't nailed down from whites is silly. There is no evidence to show they are even making slight gains in wealth and education. Either way, what Obama is doing is called "Pandering". He has no intention of changing the status quo, so don't you worry.