The polygraph is not a very scientific machine, the interpreting of the results is not an exact science. But until we come up with something better I
suppose they can be fairly accurate. I would wager to guess most famous contactees are bogus.
Travis Walton (Moment Of Truth) Proof, Hes A Liar!!, page 19
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reply posted on 23-5-2012 @ 03:23 AM by JonnyDeath
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Any type of spike in nervous system activity triggers the polygraph. It's merely measuring bandwidth and comparing spikes to a constant. So in other words, if you ask the heterosexual victim of a violent homosexual rape if they lied about being raped the day after it happened, the anxiety caused by that question would bounce those needles everywhere every time. They of course ask the same set of questions several times to give an average. I have a lot of experience in audio circuitry and am in college to obtain an electronic engineering degree. My depiction of the polygraph is very accurate. It's not a complicated machine as the examiners would lead you to believe and for that matter, many of them believe it to be.
It's in fact a glorified system of transducers and spectrum monitors such as an active equalizer display. Very basic, generic machines.
The polygraph has NOTHING to do with telling the truth or lying.
It merely relies on your comfort level with not simply the questions asked but even specific words used in those statements. Sociopathic liars can pass them and anxiety riddled on the fringe basket cases can not.
Just the words rape and faggot will trigger severe anxiety. The needles would slam the threshold rails.
So if you are at peace with something, you will pass no matter how severe the lie may be.
Sociopaths will pass lie detector tests. If you are not at peace with a question, there's a good chance you will seem to be deceptive.
For example, if you saw your best friend murdered by a stranger then for 3 years, were dragged in and out of the police station, in and out of court, in and out of jail and abused by being accused and called a murderer by most the people you know and strangers you don't, you may never be at peace with the question "did you murder *******?). You have been conditioned to have a stressful reaction. Dread, fear, anxiety, hatred et cetera overwhelm you every time and your nervous system spikes all over. Heart, body temp, muscle tension et cetera.
The word murder will trigger severe anxiety and general distress in the person under question.
Imagine being a man, born without a penis. After many years of abuse, failed relationships et cetera, the issue was so severe you were on very heavy anti-anxiety medications. You go into a polygraph test and some of the questions are things like, do you enjoy sex with women? Are you attracted to men? Have you had more than 10 sexual partners in the last 6 months? Pretty much any question relating to sex, sexuality and gender will send the polygraph needles off like YOUR world is coming to an end. Doesn't matter how many times they ask the same questions which is standard practice in a polygraph. Repeating the same questions.
This is of course compared to questions you are assumed to be comfortable with. What is your name? Did you grow up in the town of ********? Is your sister's name Mary? Do you drive a truck?
So either you are lying, truthful or if any question creates anxiety, the tests will be inconclusive.
In reality you are either at peace with some subjects or you are not or, you are a walking disaster of stress.
It is voodoo science and serves an agenda. Just review the techniques for interrogations that then allow answers to be taken out of context and used as confessions to crimes. You merely have to be tricked into statements that can be interpreted as a confession when compared to the evidence found.
Travis was put through the ringer and accused of lying for several decades.
Clearly he's not at peace with the question but it is not proof of a lie or a truth what so ever.
It merely proves he is not comfortable with the question.
I always offer this though.
I emailed him some years ago.
We talked briefly a few times through email.
To my questions, he repeated read the book.
My questions were merely his opinions about various extra terrestrial and UFO matters not addressed in the book. Brief simple questions you would think were no major task to answer and made it clear I wasn't going to keep on with them.
It did make me think "read the book" = "buy the book" but I have no certainty on that suspicion.
Any type of spike in nervous system activity triggers the polygraph. It's merely measuring bandwidth and comparing spikes to a constant. So in other words, if you ask the heterosexual victim of a violent homosexual rape if they lied about being raped the day after it happened, the anxiety caused by that question would bounce those needles everywhere every time. They of course ask the same set of questions several times to give an average. I have a lot of experience in audio circuitry and am in college to obtain an electronic engineering degree. My depiction of the polygraph is very accurate. It's not a complicated machine as the examiners would lead you to believe and for that matter, many of them believe it to be.
It's in fact a glorified system of transducers and spectrum monitors such as an active equalizer display. Very basic, generic machines.
The polygraph has NOTHING to do with telling the truth or lying.
It merely relies on your comfort level with not simply the questions asked but even specific words used in those statements. Sociopathic liars can pass them and anxiety riddled on the fringe basket cases can not.
Just the words rape and faggot will trigger severe anxiety. The needles would slam the threshold rails.
So if you are at peace with something, you will pass no matter how severe the lie may be.
Sociopaths will pass lie detector tests. If you are not at peace with a question, there's a good chance you will seem to be deceptive.
For example, if you saw your best friend murdered by a stranger then for 3 years, were dragged in and out of the police station, in and out of court, in and out of jail and abused by being accused and called a murderer by most the people you know and strangers you don't, you may never be at peace with the question "did you murder *******?). You have been conditioned to have a stressful reaction. Dread, fear, anxiety, hatred et cetera overwhelm you every time and your nervous system spikes all over. Heart, body temp, muscle tension et cetera.
The word murder will trigger severe anxiety and general distress in the person under question.
Imagine being a man, born without a penis. After many years of abuse, failed relationships et cetera, the issue was so severe you were on very heavy anti-anxiety medications. You go into a polygraph test and some of the questions are things like, do you enjoy sex with women? Are you attracted to men? Have you had more than 10 sexual partners in the last 6 months? Pretty much any question relating to sex, sexuality and gender will send the polygraph needles off like YOUR world is coming to an end. Doesn't matter how many times they ask the same questions which is standard practice in a polygraph. Repeating the same questions.
This is of course compared to questions you are assumed to be comfortable with. What is your name? Did you grow up in the town of ********? Is your sister's name Mary? Do you drive a truck?
So either you are lying, truthful or if any question creates anxiety, the tests will be inconclusive.
In reality you are either at peace with some subjects or you are not or, you are a walking disaster of stress.
It is voodoo science and serves an agenda. Just review the techniques for interrogations that then allow answers to be taken out of context and used as confessions to crimes. You merely have to be tricked into statements that can be interpreted as a confession when compared to the evidence found.
Travis was put through the ringer and accused of lying for several decades.
Clearly he's not at peace with the question but it is not proof of a lie or a truth what so ever.
It merely proves he is not comfortable with the question.
I always offer this though.
I emailed him some years ago.
We talked briefly a few times through email.
To my questions, he repeated read the book.
My questions were merely his opinions about various extra terrestrial and UFO matters not addressed in the book. Brief simple questions you would think were no major task to answer and made it clear I wasn't going to keep on with them.
It did make me think "read the book" = "buy the book" but I have no certainty on that suspicion.
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reply posted on 23-5-2012 @ 02:32 PM by bluestreak53
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Thanks for your explanation. It pretty much confirms my suspicions that the much vaunted "polygraph test" is basically quack science/technology - not because the machines lie or the information is not related to the test subjects feelings, but that it simply does not do what it is purported to do, which is measure whether the test subject is telling the truth.
Thanks for your explanation. It pretty much confirms my suspicions that the much vaunted "polygraph test" is basically quack science/technology - not because the machines lie or the information is not related to the test subjects feelings, but that it simply does not do what it is purported to do, which is measure whether the test subject is telling the truth.
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