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Hitler Invented Seperation of Church and State

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posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 01:53 PM
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Huh?
So says GOP candidate Glen Urquhart!

GOP Candidate:Hitler Invented Seperation Of Church And State

"Do you know, where does this phrase 'separation of church and state' come from?" Urquhart asked at a campaign event last April. "It was not in Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists. ... The exact phrase 'separation of Church and State' came out of Adolph Hitler’s mouth, that's where it comes from. So the next time your liberal friends talk about the separation of Church and State ask them why they’re Nazis.""

Now this guy did not just mis speak. It's easy to lie to people when theire is no camera present, not so easy when there is.
OR, this guy is a freaking idiot.
Sad to say, few on ATS will pay attention to this, or some will defend him.
Wonder why the government is F'd? And you think electing guys like this is going to help?




posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 01:54 PM
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Just another example of the deception present in American politics.

Where did this guy get his info? Uncle Glenn or was it Uncle Rush?



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:03 PM
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looks like the GOP gutting of funding for public education has finally paid off!

second line



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:04 PM
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I feel sorry for all the future Americans. This is the past generation their going to have to look back at.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:06 PM
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Oh my...

Seriously, the right calls the left a socialist movement because of philosophical disagreements on the tax rate of the wealthiest of individuals
The left calls the right a theocracy because...well, they want to establish a religious government bent on forcing specific religious values on the people.

What ever happened to fiscal and governmental conservatism with social liberal values? Why is there never a "perfect" middleground that represents the actual america? its one freakish side or the other.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:07 PM
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Wow, crazy. And most people will take this knucklehead's word for it without fact checking.

Looks like the earliest use of the phrase (as such) was 1819 by James Madison in a letter to his friend James Walsh where he speaks of "the total seperation of the church from the state".

Hmm.. do these people really want a Christian Theocracy? Which sect/doctrine would be the "official" non-official doctrine?



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
What ever happened to fiscal and governmental conservatism with social liberal values? Why is there never a "perfect" middleground that represents the actual america? its one freakish side or the other.


No kidding. The best society, in my opinion is one where the government spends money very very carefully and stays out of inter personal matters.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:25 PM
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Ah, but BEWARE my friends!
I'm sure this clown is also spouting "less taxes and smaller government" as well.
Just like the Tea Party.
But, ask yourselves:what do they REALLY want?
Is less tax and smaller government enough to vote these imbeciles in?
Don't fall for propaganda> EVERYONE is running on this, so much so I feel it is meaningless.
So we vote out "insiders" and replace them with idiots?
Jeeez



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
Ah, but BEWARE my friends!
I'm sure this clown is also spouting "less taxes and smaller government" as well.
Just like the Tea Party.
But, ask yourselves:what do they REALLY want?
Is less tax and smaller government enough to vote these imbeciles in?
Don't fall for propaganda> EVERYONE is running on this, so much so I feel it is meaningless.
So we vote out "insiders" and replace them with idiots?
Jeeez


Yeah.. I wonder how many of these "replacements" are total unknowns who have never been inside the beltway.. Seriously, are they not already "insiders"?

I would never vote from a nutcase who believes in less taxes and smaller government under the control of God or Jesus. The government needs to use less of my money and stay the hell out of my personal life.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:30 PM
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"Less taxes and smaller government" is a mantra for the Corporations and the wealthy folks who own them. Not the People who benefit from said taxes and participate in said government.

I am VERY wary of a politician who claims to be against government.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:33 PM
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GOP candidates believe in "positive Christianity" and do you know who invented that, kiddies?

Hitler.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:45 PM
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Regardless of who said what, what does it really matter?

Who are these morons in the United States who are always bickering and name calling and labelling each other?

All these random talking heads like Glen Beck, Bill Maher etc, all ranting and raving.

It's so pathetic and embarrassing.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by Kram09
Regardless of who said what, what does it really matter?


You don't think it matters that a major, national figure in the political scene thinks 'separation of church and state" is a Nazi thing?


Who are these morons in the United States who are always bickering and name calling and labelling each other?

All these random talking heads like Glen Beck, Bill Maher etc, all ranting and raving.

It's so pathetic and embarrassing.


What does that have to do with the OP? It is not about Beck or Maher. Its about some idiot politician who thinks 'separation of church and state' is a Nazi thing.


edit on 18-9-2010 by justadood because: me grammar and spelling to so goods



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 03:03 PM
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Read your own signature!
YES it matters!
We cannot elect ignorant idiots just because they are "outsiders"!
And it's the Repubs and Tea Partiers that spout theocracy!
I'M REALLY SICK OF THOSE THAT CAN'T TAKE A STAND AND HIDE BEHIND THE CLAIM THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!
Man!



edit on 18-9-2010 by OldDragger because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by Kram09
 


Read your own signature!
YES it matters!
We cannot elect ignorant idiots just because they are "outsiders"!
And it's the Repubs and Tea Partiers that spout theocracy!
I'M REALLY SICK OF THOSE THAT CAN'T TAKE A STAND AND HODE BEHIND THE CLAIM THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!
Man!


those who claim 'they're all the same' are taking the lazy, easy, cynical path.

Those brave enough to be informed and active in our Democracy know that apathy serves the "PTB'. Informed Engagement might be tough, discouraging, and often fruitless, but its still FAR more patriotic and productive than sitting in your mom's basement feigning indifference.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 03:27 PM
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Separation of Church and State should be something all Americans agree with. It is the belief that one religion should not have any more privilege over any other religion(s).

We can debate how far this separation should go (Christmas in public, prayer in schools, Ten Commandments in public places, etc...). But the belief in treating all religions equal, keeping the corrupting hands of religion out of government and vice versa should be touted. America has always been one of the most religiously tolerant nations in the world and that is due to our history of keeping religion private.

That is why religion is so prevalent in America, it is because of the Separation of Church and State. Europe had clashes of religion for centuries, that is what led to constant wars and instability. That is partly why religion is diminishing its role in European society. The Religious Right should be thanking people like Thomas Jefferson for saying:

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.

www.usconstitution.net...


Why does he deem it necessary to intentionally try and tell people that Liberals are Nazi's? It's sad...



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 04:05 PM
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There is actually some degree of truth to the statement, though I'm not sure where Hitler comes into play. The writings of the early days of America indicate that the founders were far more concerned with state intervention on religion than they were with religion's involvement with the state. Several Supreme Court justices past & present have even stated such, albeit in dissenting viewpoints most times.

It wasn't until 1947 when the modern redefinition of the Cosntitution really came into play. I don't have time to read the entire recapping of Everson vs the Board of Education, but I'd be surprised if Hitler or Germany is mentioned in any way in that case. Maybe there is some philosophical connection between the two which I'm just not seeing. I do think it is disingenuous to say that the founders intended the US to govern via atheism, however. Unfortunately, that is the direction we started down following the 1947 case.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
I do think it is disingenuous to say that the founders intended the US to govern via atheism, however. Unfortunately, that is the direction we started down following the 1947 case.


I don't see how atheism comes into play. That's as much of a religious viewpoint as anything else. I simply think that if a subject does not directly pertain to the need to "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity" then it is out of the pervue of the government.

I don't really care if the Jesus Freaks want to be out in the streets handing tickets out for god. That's their right. But I don't want to be going into a courthouse to defend my actions based on my beliefs and see the 10 Commandments sitting at the doorway...



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 05:27 PM
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burdman is right amounts to atheism.

people seem to dismiss and hide their eyes to fact that the founder and the founding of this country was done by what some people call to today the " religious right".


to the dude who says no religion should have more privildges than any other well take a good look at islam and muslims.

sad state of affairs when the only religion in america is looked down upon is christianity and no other.


to the op hitler and seperation of church and state last time i looked at any communist,socialist or fascist state i havent seen any for the simple fact they have destroyed religion so their leaders or dictators become "god".

and its happening im america this very day and increasing kill god in america and you can rule like a god with relative impunity.

the insanity that is in this country is outrageous case in point sorry to bring up the left right paradigm but anyway

there is not one leftist in this country that will even say anything nice about god or a christian for that fact- its your all "religious nutbags"

those "religious nutbags" those" radical right" gave us the constution,bill of rights and the declaration of independence it was those "christian values" that have led to the country we have to day.

from the leftist viewpoint simply being a christian is evil i guess they are more afraid of there really being a god so they can do the things they do without feeling compassion , remorse or guilt.

from this persons perspective when our leaders in washington dc and for the most part had a belief in the divine

this country grew it prospered and it succeeded for hundreds of years now that the "divine" or " "god" is a dirty word today this is the country we live in it has become a shell of its former existence and instead of slowly dying its been moved to the fast track with the eventual end total destruction whether it be economic, social or by agression.

given the nature of what a democracy is it has been its best friend and its own worst enemy.

another way of putting this the left wants to kill god so the government becomes god the right wants to beleive in god and let the government be government but smaller and less obstrusive and im not talking those people in washington what a real conservative is.


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posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
to the dude who says no religion should have more privildges than any other well take a good look at islam and muslims.

sad state of affairs when the only religion in america is looked down upon is christianity and no other.


A statement that could ONLY come from a Christian. Your are kidding, right?



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