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Originally posted by witness63
From what I've read from the Disclosure Project and many other sources since my own UFO sighting, the government is already aware of 50-100 alien species that have visited earth in recent decades..
The US government was aware of this long before the public even had a clue, and has had contacts and exchanges with some of these civilizations that continue down to the present. This is already being disclosed in a limited, unofficial way, although they don't like it when some people go too far. There's a lot of "testing the waters" going on by both government and aliens.
My own opinion is that we should work openly with friendly, human-like aliens and others to help improve the social and economic condition of the planet. It's not acceptable to me that the majority of people in the world still live at or below subsistence level and often lack basic food, housing, medical care and sanitation. I think that should be our top priority, along with finding ways to repair the environment from 100 years of severe abuse.
No single government should have a monopoly on all this or act as a gatekeeper, so if open contact is to be made then let the United Nations handle it. And I am an American, no less nationalistic than the rest of them, although needless to saw I don't always agree with the policies of my government of the various elite interests that are always hanging around Washington. I've always been more of a Harry Truman man in that respect.
I have read up before on Lear (emailed him direct a few times and chatted with him that way actually.). I find his views highly improbable, but what a creative mind anyhow. He, in my opinion, is a product of when you believe too much
Originally posted by SaturnFX
reply to post by AnthraAndromda
Anthra, good to see you here.
I do not believe a single thing you say, but I love reading what you write...I would trade in 2 angry cynics with their feet firmly on the ground for someone as optimistic yet potentially crazy as you.
Thank you for your breakdown of the three races you suggest are locals...the grays made popular by a whole host of sci-fi books and movies, the Pleadians made famous by Billy (the big fat hoax liar) Meyers, and erm...random traders?
And what happened to the Androms you used to go on about? they pack up and leave?
So, the conquoring aliens...what do they conquor and why? Why not just choose one of a bazillion other planets that has less natives with pointy sticks ready to jab in them given the chance? Some sort of sport or..?
Originally posted by Kandinsky
It's largely thanks to Lear and whoever he hung out with that ufology is so screwed up. He helped seed the ideas of evil aliens with human body parts in underground bases. The lies have never gone away and took on some dark resonance instead. I think he's a pure misanthropist with little or no morality. The Project Camelot end of the subject is founded on some of the BS put out there by guys like Doty and Lear and look how many people follow their work.
Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
Originally posted by SaturnFX
reply to post by AnthraAndromda
Anthra, good to see you here.
I do not believe a single thing you say, but I love reading what you write...I would trade in 2 angry cynics with their feet firmly on the ground for someone as optimistic yet potentially crazy as you.
Thanks for the invite.
It doesn't really matter if you beleive me or not, the simple fact that you have an open mind is what is important.
Of those things I'm not sure. I think it is rather plain that they could just move in and "take" Earth if they wanted to, yet they don't. I think it may be that they want to "win" you rather than totally dominate. Perhaps they think Earth could be a good ally, and by going slow, the people will "feel" like they are in, or have some, control.
Etharzi od Oma.
Originally posted by 547000
Maybe they watch us like a TV reality show.
TESLA'S NEW MONARCH OF MACHINES
by Nikola Tesla -New York Herald Tribune, Oct. 15, 1911
“..And it makes the aeroplane practical,” I suggested.
“Not the aeroplane, the flying machine,” responded Dr. Tesla. “Now you have struck the point in which I am most deeply interested—the object toward which I have been devoting my energies for more than twenty years—the dream of my life. It was in seeking the means of making the perfect flying machine that I developed this engine.
“Twenty years ago I believed that I would be the first man to fly; that I was on the track of accomplishing what no one else was anywhere near reaching. I was working entirely in electricity then and did not realize that the gasoline engine was approaching a perfection that was going to make the aeroplane feasible. There is nothing new about the aeroplane but its engine, you know.
“What I was working on twenty years ago was the wireless transmission of electric power. My idea was a flying machine propelled by an electric motor, with power supplied from stations on the earth. I have not accomplished this as yet, but am confident that I will in time.
“When I found that I had been anticipated as to the flying machine, by men working in a different field, I began to study the problem from other angles, to regard it as a mechanical rather than an electrical problem. I felt certain there must be some means of obtaining power that was better than any now in use. And by vigorous use of my gray matter for a number of years, I grasped the possibilities of the principle of the viscosity and adhesion of fluids and conceived the mechanism of my engine. Now that I have it, my next step will be the perfect flying machine.”
“An aeroplane driven by your engine?” I asked.
“Not at all,” said Dr. Tesla. “The aeroplane is fatally defective. It is merely a toy—a sporting play-thing. It can never become commercially practical. It has fatal defects. One is the fact that when it encounters a downward current of air it is helpless. The “hole in the air” of which aviators speak is simply a downward current, and unless the aeroplane is high enough above the earth to move laterally but can do nothing but fall.
“There is no way of detecting these downward currents, no way of avoiding them, and therefore the aeroplane must always be subject to chance and its operator to the risk of fatal accident. Sportsmen will always take these chances, but as a business proposition the risk is too great.
“The flying machine of the future—my flying machine—will be heavier than air, but it will not be an aeroplane. It will have no wings. It will be substantial, solid, stable. You cannot have a stable airplane. The gyroscope can never be successfully applied to the airplane, for it would give a stability that would result in the machine being torn to pieces by the wind, just as the unprotected aeroplane on the ground is torn to pieces by a high wind.
“My flying machine will have neither wings nor propellers. You might see it on the ground and you would never guess that it was a flying machine. Yet it will be able to move at will through the air in any direction with perfect safety, higher speeds than have yet been reached, regardless of weather and oblivious of “holes in the air” or downward currents. It will ascend in such currents if desired. It can remain absolutely stationary in the air, even in a wind, for great length of time. Its lifting power will not depend upon any such delicate devices as the bird has to employ, but upon positive mechanical action.”
“You will get stability through gyroscopes?” I asked.
“Through gyroscopic action of my engine, assisted by some devices I am not yet prepared to talk about,” he replied. “Powerful air currents that may be deflected at will, if produced by engines and compressors sufficiently light and powerful, might lift a heavy body off the ground and propel it through the air,” I ventured, wondering if I had grasped the inventor’s secret.
Dr. Tesla smiled an inscrutable smile.
“All I have to say on that point is that my airship will have neither gas bag, wings nor propellers,” he said. “It is the child of my dreams, the product of years of intense and painful toil and research. I am not going to talk about it any further. But whatever my airship may be, here at least is an engine that will do things that no other engine ever has done, and that is something tangible.” .
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www.tfcbooks.com...
Excerpt from “Man out of Time” by M. Cheney, Chapter 20 “Flying Stove”
“ When the manager of Westinghouse’s railway and lighting division wrote asking
for details on the turbine, Tesla replied confidently that it was superior to anything in the
competition in terms of extreme lightness and high performance. Indeed, he said, he was
planning to use it in a box-like flivver airplane.
“You should not be at all surprised,” he wrote, “if some day you see me fly from
new York to Colorado Springs in a contrivance which will resemble a gas stove and weigh
as much.” (The plane would weigh only eight hundred pounds and could if necessary
enter and depart through a window.)”
Tesla’s (real) Flying Machine
pritchardschool.com...
Originally posted by Lovemaster9000
reply to post by SaturnFX
I enjoyed reading your post. I've read all the responses thus far, which have hitherto been mostly constructive in nature. The alien guy was a little weird, but apparently that's his idiom. I get it. I suspect the mother lode of critics should be due to arrive later this afternoon.
People fear what they don't understand and look for answers from the first source they find that claims to have answers. H. P. Lovecraft capitalized on this as a motif for many of his stories. Religious people turn to religion. Conspiracy theorist turn to their favorite conspiracy theory website. After a while, though, once the dust settles and something unknown has been around for a while and it hasn't killed anyone or created a black hole that gobbles up the entire planet like a ravenous dog, people will eventually come around to sniff it out.
It's for obvious reasons that people fear the unknown; self-preservation is the motivating factor of apprehensiveness. Will it kill me? Any possibility of the affirmative leads to questions of the biggest unknown.
That being said, I don't know if UFO's and aliens are real. All I've seen are a bunch of blurry pictures and videos, followed by a multitude of hypotheses; some intelligent, most half-baked and some that are just completely out there. But if they are real, then I hope they don't find us tasty and nutritious.
Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by Son of Will
Thank you for the nice comment. I put a lot of time and effort into that post (While making home made soup now that fall is upon us).
I'm glad at least you appreciated it.
Originally posted by cee420
Hey..
Aliens” don’t land” cause there is none visiting our planet!
“ufos” are manmade and first invented by Nikola Tesla in the late 19th century
Here are few quotes where Tesla describes his anti-gravity ‘flying machine’ that has no
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by cee420
Hey..
Aliens” don’t land” cause there is none visiting our planet!
“ufos” are manmade and first invented by Nikola Tesla in the late 19th century
Here are few quotes where Tesla describes his anti-gravity ‘flying machine’ that has no
Wow, what a incredible sweeping statement.
Tesla has been credited with everything, from free energy, UFOs, cures for all diseases, etc...there are many whom have made a considerable sum of money writing books about what the man accomplished and was supressed...near deity status he has now...I heard he also found the equasion for immortality. The problem with legends is that, as years pass, they become bigger and more magical...like a war story or wine, it just gets better with time. I imagine in 50 years, he will be accredited with creating a warp drive that was also supressed.
I have no doubt about the factual things he did, from creating microwave towers that could potentially give us AC power through recievers and the frequency work he did, but there is alot of myth attached to the man at this point.
I wonder how you came to the conclusion that since we have been working on avation technology, there must not be anything else happening...this is like saying birds don't exist because we made planes that look like birds...(not the same level of course, you can walk out your door and point/dissect a bird quite easily, but you get the point).
The logic you present just with the opening statement is as followed:
There are no other intelligent life in the entire universe...or if there are, absolutely none have ever figured out how to get from point A to point B...
The moment that happens is the moment life is everywhere, and one thing sapient species do when travelling around in unknown areas is to make maps....It would be reasonable to assume that other species in the dark would do the same.
Originally posted by cee420
..and think about it to the next galaxy, even if you could travel with the speed of light ..how long would that take?
But it is easy to choose the possibility that “aliens” did all this all ready, and now they are here.
I don't mean to offend you, so i hope you don't mind, friend
I have seen no solid evidence that aliens are visiting our planet ..
They want slaves: Humans are weak and stubborn. Any animal on earth of comparable size can easily work harder and longer than us
They want our world: Verses simply terraform any other world in the galaxy...we are starting to understand the process right now on how we would go about terraforming mars...something far more advanced than us would find it as easy as frying an egg
Consider for a moment how many people hold tight to a religion on earth. The one constant in religion is that for some reason, mankind is special...people are still killing each other over which specific flavor of mankind their deity favors, be it the Jews, the Muslims, the whites, etc..The scary reality is 70% of the earth’s population still has a strong theist belief, and that belief requires mankind to be exceptionally special. A revelation of mankind not being unique in the universe would completely shatter that and cause absolute chaos. A worldwide inferiority complex.