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Are "Jews" Hiding the Genocide Policies of the Torah (Deut ch 13 & ch 20)?

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posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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Oh man, I did not notice how old that post was, did I? Sheesh.


I think whenever you find scary weird crap in a religious book, you can be sure there are some people out there who have made it the center of their universe in some way. It's like the human mind is magnetically drawn to the nastiest ideas available. So, while I don't have anything against the Jews in general -- I'm not fond of the current Israeli administration in power, but I don't believe they represent their people any more than the rulers here do, and they're on a long list of governments I don't like in the world -- I have no problem believing that passages like these inform the mentality of small but potentially powerful subcultures within Judaism. Obviously this is the case with other religions, so I think one would have to demonstrate that there'd be some reason Judaism would be exempt from the same psychopathic zealotry plaguing every other "faith community".




posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 05:15 PM
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I think you're right - except that the socalled 'pious Jews' running around today spouting their racism in the media (e.g. the kind off modern shameless Torah-wielding Rabbis that sit in interviews on television with a smile telling the world that the 'torah of Moses' is sacred enough to take seriously to-day !)

Some proponents of Judaeism still claim that the Torah (with all of its hatred of gentiles) is still the 'eternal' sacred word of YHWH - by which they designate THE god of the universe - even though intelligent peoplee might relegate him to the ranks of some obscure ancient desert Levantine clan-god -

And when these same Rabbi's join the talk shows on Radio and/or TV start to claim that the Torah is 'holy and eternal' it must therefore be 'forever true' - as opposed as to what modern thinking individuals might think about the Torah - which upon close reading can only be a xenophobic, sexist, pre-Scientific relic of a bygone age which reflects the jejune ignorance of the persons who penned it.

What is very curious is that Rabbi's spend so much time disccusing pogroms and the holocaust they have no time to show what Moses had to say on the subject of dealing with political and religious groups that are 'other'...



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 06:08 PM
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You seem pretty obsessed with the Jews doing the same things every religious group does or wants to do. Why is that?



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 12:28 PM
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Ah, to tread were angels fear.....

The comparison between "types" or genocide is fraught with disagreement.

But that genocide is a common resort of communities towards unwelcome of offending neighbors seems, at the very least historically speaking, a constant in most peoples who's heritage includes tribal traditions.

I will not engage in characterization of any particular groups ideals about 'crushing you enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentation of their women' not being unique to those who practice any particular faith.

I have to commend many of you on your restraint. Usually by now those less capable of checking their passions begin the ritual of denigration towards any willing to entertain the debate. Bravo.... but word of caution.... be alert for the impulse to start questioning the posters about their bias as opposed to discussing the weaknesses in their reasoning.... down that path lies madness.
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posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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Hi Sepermu -

Actually, I'm not obsessed by this subject at all, just VERY perplexed why Jews to-day have not thrown away the Torah into the proverbial ashcan--or at least expurgated the genoccidal passages from it.

This is especially true over the past decade or so whenever I turn on the TV and see an 'orthodox Rabbi' or some such Wiesenthal type personage purporting to represent 'Holocaust survivors' etc. sitting there in tears talking about the genocide of European Jews last century in terms that seem to indicate they were the only ones who suffered extermination in the camps of the Nazis, then after ten minutes of boo-hooing ('Ach, Woe is us !' language straight from 'The Sorrow and the Pity' etc.) he goes on to tout the innerency of the 'holy Torah' and how his 'god's word in the Torah is eternal' and 'so full of love for all peoples...' it makes me want to go nuts (especially in view of Deut. chapter 7, chapter 13 and chapter 20, as well as all those charming genocidal commands agaiinst 'the sons of Amalek' in the Torah ...

That is all.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by Sigismundus
Hi Sepermu -

Actually, I'm not obsessed by this subject at all, just VERY perplexed why Jews to-day have not thrown away the Torah into the proverbial ashcan--or at least expurgated the genoccidal passages from it.


Are you as perplexed by why Christians and Muslims have not 'expurgated' the genocidal passages from their holy texts? Are you not aware that every religion has a ton of highly unpleasant material behind it, most of which is now interpreted by the majority of followers as archaic?


This is especially true over the past decade or so whenever I turn on the TV and see an 'orthodox Rabbi' or some such Wiesenthal type personage purporting to represent 'Holocaust survivors' etc.


What channel are you watching, exactly? The only time I can remember seeing survivors on television in the last several years was an episode of a British show where some teenagers met a couple. Granted, there's a lot of TV I don't watch, but I honestly don't know what you're talking about here, if you're seeing it everywhere all the time. I see it hardly anywhere at any time. I see people like yourself with objections to it bringing it up much, much more often than anyone else.



sitting there in tears talking about the genocide of European Jews last century in terms that seem to indicate they were the only ones who suffered extermination in the camps of the Nazis,


Well, your "seem to" isn't the same as someone else's, perhaps. Can you explain exactly what leads you to the conclusion that, for example, if I say a lot of Americans died in World War I, I'm somehow suggesting that no other nationalities died in that war? It doesn't seem to follow.


then after ten minutes of boo-hooing ('Ach, Woe is us !' language straight from 'The Sorrow and the Pity' etc.)


If you don't like seeing people talk about emotional issues, why don't you turn off the television?


he goes on to tout the innerency of the 'holy Torah' and how his 'god's word in the Torah is eternal' and 'so full of love for all peoples...' it makes me want to go nuts (especially in view of Deut. chapter 7, chapter 13 and chapter 20, as well as all those charming genocidal commands agaiinst 'the sons of Amalek' in the Torah ...


I also find it somewhat ironic when religious people talk about their religion as the source of ultimate love, when most religions contain a great deal of violence and hatred as well. But I could show you many more examples of Christians doing similar than I could of Jews. At least in the country where I live, the United States, I'm sure everybody knows what the BIble is, but I don't think many people have a good idea of what "Torah" even means.

You know there are only like thirteen million Jewish people left in the whole world, right? There are hundreds of millions more of every other well-known religion. Maybe you're experiencing a kind of selective observation? It can happen to anyone, even, perhaps especially even intelligent people. It's just part of having a human brain. If you haven't ruled it out, maybe you should make an effort to notice examples that *don't* support your existing view and see if anything changes.



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 03:26 PM
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Hi Sepermeru -

Admittedly, by far most of the 'Ach ! Just Look at What the Goyim did to Us' type broadcasts from the Wiesenthal crowd that I have seen on Cable or heard over the Radio over the past 10 years have mostly emanated from New York City - and use mouthpieces (i.e. representatives) in the place of actual 'survivors' since as they mention, any phsyical survivors from the last century have mostly died off - and their message is, as always, 'Lest We Forget' -

Not surprisingly the TV and radio coverage on the specifically Nazi emphasis on the subject of world Genoride is disproportionally heavy since after all, New York City is one of the largest media and publishing capitals in the world, and in view of the large Jewish population there, naturally they would be expected have a disproportionally large investment in getting their own point of view out and of funding and building so many 'Houses of Tolerance' (!) aka Holocaust Museums all over the world -

Unfortunately far from talking about OTHER genocides than the Nazi atrocities of last centiry, these 'Houses of Tolerance' seem to highlight only their own sufferings in the Nazi Europe of the 1940s to the virtual omission of all other Genocides in History in their Museum displays (though I did notice that sometimes they do include a few of the others in their bookstores and giftshops - which you can find if you dig long enough through all the other Nazi holocaust related books which number into the thousands, mostly published out of New York or from publishers owned by a parent publishing firm 'based' in NY) -

The major funding for these Museums is often funnelled through the Jewish Religious Groups and other various Wiesenthal-funded orgs that are often chaired by right wing Rabbis and other 'religious right wing' Torah believers using the 'synagogue system' to raise the money they need to build them - they are very expensive since they are located on prime lands near major metropolitan downtown centers -

It always strikes me as very odd that the idea of TOLERANCE of OTHERS should be the very theme of the right wing religious branches of these Jewish orgs whose so-called 'holy' Torah is anything BUT tolerant of persons who are non-Jews ('gentiles' i.e. the goyim).

When I (routinely and very politely) ask any of the employees at these socalled Houses of Tolerance 'So...where is the Display showing the exterminatiion of the American Indians by the US Govt--all I see is Nazi Nazi Nazi ...'or 'Where is the Display honouring all the Amalekites and Girgish ites and Amorites and Cannanites etal. that Moses tells believers in the Torah to wipe out 'leaving nothing alive that breathes'?" to which I get nothing but stares and disbelief and say things like "Whaaaad are you tawwkkkeeenggg aboutd? This is a Holocaust Museum, not an ancient history museum !!"

As if the Nazi Holocaust against politicals, socialists, communists, gypsies, the elderly, the sick, sexual deviants and Jews will not one day be 'ancient history...' !

One would have thought that these so-called 'Houses of Tolerance' worldwide would have devoted an entire BUILDING in each center at least to the ruthless US state sponsored genocide and extermination policies of numerous American US Administrations of more than 25 million aborigial Amerindians in the continental US alone since say 1800 which actually put a price per head as a reward for wiping them out - some of the more clever ones wanting to seize larger swaths of Indian lands started to use 'germ warfare' against an aboriginal population that had no natural immunity against diseases such as Small Pox or viral Pneumonia (the so-called Poisoned Blanket' programmes) -

And this already atrocious number grows to over 50 million dead aboriginal Amerindians if you include the Genocides by the 'holy Catholic Church' (!) and Spanish etc. European colonial invaders into both of the American continents - from Mexico down to Peru who were in the nasty habit of actually quoting from their 'bible' using espcially all the genocidal language against the 'Amalekites' (with whom they identified as the Amerindians who dared to fight back !) in the Torah as justification for their crimes -

Perhaps the 'Houses of Tolerance' worldwide would do better to be a little more even-handed in their Museum displays by showing hundreds of other genocides throughout world history instead of just one as if none others ever existed , but then again, you have to consider the limited sources of the money the Wiesenthal etc. groups get to build these very expensive Museum complexes in the first place - and you will probably get your answer !



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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Could you post those specific quotes you're talking about in the torah? I'd like to see them...


Heres a thought though... What makes you believe that because its written in the bible, God commanded it?




posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 10:03 PM
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Hi Akragon –

This is a very old thread that has popped up again recently - I think AmadeuS has since moved on – but here are some of specific passages within various ‘holy Torah scriptures’ which specifically espouse racial genocide (most of these passages in some way or another refer to the technical Heb. Term CH-R-M = to ‘mark for extermination’ in the context of a Holy War cf: a Fatwa where a specific group is targeted for extinction) of the Palestinian Canaanite amphyctionies and also specifically about ‘divine commands’ to exterminate the Amalekites which were especially ‘marked for extermination’ almost as if they were wearing orange stars on their lapels

e.g. Exodus 17: 8-16

And YHWH said to Mosheh, Write this down as a Memorial on a Scroll and read it into the ears of Joshua son of Nun : Behold, I will Exterminate the Seed (lit. ‘Remembrance’) of the Amalekites from Under the Heavens. Therefore Mosheh built an Altar to YHWH right there etc.

NB: the may hand-copied text versions s of the Torah and other Heb. ‘scriptures’ over the centuries (SamPent, Heb. Vorlage to the LXX Greek, the later Masoretic text,l the mangled earlier consonantal texts from the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Targumim etc.) especially the ones prior to AD 200 don’t always match letter for letter, but the gist is the same in these cases in most of the versions of the Torah etc.

See Deuteronomy 7: 1-5

When YHWH your clan god brings you to the land where you are headed to take possession of it, and has cast out the goyim before you even the Hittites, and the Girga#es, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, even seven gentile nations that are more numerous and powerful that you are now:

And when YHWH your clan god has delivered them, you shall utterly exterminate them all showing no mercy to them; neither will you make peace treaties with them nor enter into marriage with them – for they will surely turn your sons from following me, and cause them to worship other clan gods – thus will the anger of YHWH burn against you and destroy you without notice.

Deuteronomy 13: 12-17a

12 If you should hear a rumour in one of the towns which YHWH your clan god will give you to live in, saying ‘I heard certain evil men taking some of the town out encouraging them to worship other foreign clan gods which you have not yet heard of, you shall set up an Inquiry and if the acusation is proved true that such a ritual Toqebah (‘cultic abomination’) has in fact taken place, you will utterly genocide all the inhabitants of that town, utterly destroying the town and its inhabitants, even down to the animals – then you will gather together all of their belongings and utterly burn the lot in the town square – and not take any of it for yourself, and leave it a perpetual Ruin, never again to be rebuilt.

Deuteronomy 20: 10-18

This is the Rule of War for the Towns of the Goyim which YHWH your clan god shall give unto you and your sons as an Inheritance – You shall leave nothing alive that breathes, but you shall utterly exterminate every one of them, namely the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; exactly as YHWH your clan god has commanded you, so that they will not be able to teach you all of their peculiar ritual Toq’eboth (‘taboos’, ‘cultic abominations’) that they perform for their own clan gods, leading you into sin against YHWH your clan god.

Deuteronomy 25:17-19

Now remember what Amalekites (lit. ‘Amalek’) did to you when you were sojourning out of the land of Mitzrayim : how they came upon you on the road and attacked your rear guard, including the weakest ones in your camps, and how they showed no reverence for the Elohim (‘gods’) – therefore it shall come to pass that when the land you shall be given by you own clan god YHWH is finally settled and becomes your Inheritance to possess, you shall utterly genocide the Seed of Amalek (lit. ‘Remembrance’) from under the heavens – you will never ever forget this.

Outside the Torah, we have references to ‘the fulfillment of the Divine Commands to genocide’ the goyim in books like Joshua and 1 Samuel, in the context of the (CH-R-M) i.e. the Holy War ‘devoted’ marking of a particular group for racial and cultural Extermination and Genocide of the other’: -

This is the same type of ‘racial’ marking-segregation of the ‘other’ that we saw in the last century in the Nazi death camps only in the last century, the religious underpinnings of the genocide were not emphasised to the public (e.g. the Secret Thule Society Tenets of Aryan Supremacy and how to deal with the 'slave races' etc.)

See : Joshua 8:1-2, 8:23

Joshua 10: 31-33 (ref the extermination of Lachish)
Joshua 10:34-35 (ref the genocide of Eglon)
Joshua 10:36-37 (ref the wiping out of the Hebronites)
Joshua 10: 38-39 (ref the annhialation of Debir)

Then read Joshua 10:40b where it states proudly

‘And Joshua utterly exterminated everything that breathed, leaving not a single soul alive, in accordance with the Command of YHWH…’

There are other passages of this type, but I think this is what AmadeuS sort of had in mind…

And these verses show us how 'Mosheh' or whoever wrote these racist-xenophobic passages in the 'holy Torah' of the Jews dealt with their own "final solution to the Cannanite problem...'

Pretty ugly stuff to keep in holy books, don't you think?



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 06:23 AM
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The entire Old Testament can be viewed as the human genome running the gauntlet of attempts to destroy it.

Noah and his family were preserved.

Abraham and Lot culled the tribes and Sodom was destroyed...
...just prior to the promise of a nation as numerous as the star to Abraham...
...that was realized through his grandson Jacob whose name was changed to Israel.

The purpose of Israel's laws and ceremonies was to caccoon them genetically...
...from the hybrid tribes around them...
...and even when they arrived at their 'promised land' it was full of giants (Nephyl)...
...which was the reason for the destruction of Jericho and other races in the area.


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posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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Hi again Akragon –

Sometimes later Hebrew writings in canonical texts outside the Torah refer back to specific Torah regulations.

Here is a later reference to the ‘holy’ Torah command (see Exodus 17:7-13) which is found cited by the writer of 1 Samuel 15:3-8 ref: the genocidal orders from YHWH to exterminate ALL (not just some) of the Amalekites which he had Mosheh to swear to and set up a c-t-v (statement in writing) to that effect ‘to be read into the ears of Joshua son of Nun…’

1 Sam 15:3-8 etc..

“Thus says YHWH of armies: I have not forgotten what Amalek did to Israel, how he laid in wait for him when they marched out of Mitzrayim. ‘

And he said to Saul the king [via an oracle],

‘Go now and exterminate all the sons of Amalek - utterly genocide all of their descendants along with their belongings.

You are to show absolutely no mercy to any of them – you are not to spare a single one of them: but you are to annihilate every woman, man, child and toddler – murder all their oxen, sheep, camels and asses and consume by fire all of their belongings...'

Then Saul immediately gathered the people together and ordered a census in Telaim, which came to (numbers in the various texts are confused: either 2,000 ? 20,000? or 200,000 ? ) infantrymen, and (1000? 10,000? ) fighting men of Yehudah..

Then Saul approached the camp of the Amalekites and said to the Kenites, Get out of the Amalekite Camp, so that you won’t be genocided with them;

I am telling you this since you were once friendly to the sons of Yisro’el when they escaped from Mitzrayim.
So the Kenites separated themselves from the Camp of the Amalekites;

And when Saul won the battle over the Amalekites which he waged from the town of Havila all the way to Shur as it approaches the Mitzrayim border, he began the process of extermination and genocide against them, but decided to take the Amalekite King Agag alive, then spared his life;

He then took possession of all of their flocks as war booty– their sheep and their fatlings and their lambs – along with anything else that was of value in the camps of the Amalekites – but as to the rest of their possessions which was of no value to him he had them all consumed in a ritual bonfire.

Then an oracle (‘debir’ = ‘word’) was revealed to Samuel, saying:

Behold, says YHWH, I am now very sorry I have set Saul up as King - for he has turned his back on me, and has NOT performed the strict Commandment of mine to utterly genocide ALL the sons of Amalek that I ordered [Mosheh] to complete…”.

So not only does the ‘holy’ Torah demand the racial genocide of certain groups, later writings spill ink to talk about what happens when YHWH’s extermination policies are NOT carried out to the letter.

Which naturally makes any intelligent thinking person (Jew or Gentile) wonder: When a modern day 'orthodox' Rabbi spouts the supposedly ‘holy innerancy’ of their supposedly ancient Torah (which contains such vile laws to be carried out to the letter), how on earth can the orthodox religious ‘right’ within all the modern rabinnic Judaeisms around dare to use the word ‘Nazi atrocities’ in the same breath without any sense of shame at all ?



posted on May, 13 2011 @ 04:50 PM
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Hi again, Akragon --

I forgot to add some more examples of the race hatred in the Hebrew scriptures e.g. from the ‘Psalms’ which also preach a kind of xenophobic and (to us) racist Torah-inspired ‘genocide & extermination’ policy (or at least what we call to-day “race-hatred”) ...

This kind of xenophobia is even doubly quoted in the (ahem) ‘Christian’ Book of 'Revelation' (see e.g. Rev 19:15 etc.) with all of its race-hatred language about ‘Ruling over the goyim (non Jews) with a Rod of Iron (and a ‘two edged sword’ see Psalm 149 below) and all that ‘dashing them all in pieces like a Potter’s Vessel’ type of race-hatred language etc.

Psalm 137

By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
when we remembered Zion.

2 There on the poplar trees we hung up our Harps,
3 – especially when our Tormentors asked us for Psalms
Yea our Captors demanded songs of joy from us;

Taunting us, saying: “Hey, Why don’t you sing us one of Zion’s Psalms ?’
4 But how could we sing Psalms of YHWH while in the land filled with Goyim?

5 7 Remember, o YHWH, what the Edomites did to us
on the day Jerusalem fell ? “Tear it down,” they screamed,
“Rip it apart to its very foundations!”

O Daughter Babylon, you who are Marked for Extermination:

Blessed is he who is able to repay you in full
Even according to what you have done to us.

Yea, blessed is the man who grabs all of your babies
And bashes their tiny skulls against the rock cliffs !!

And Psalm 149

2 Let Israel rejoice in their Creator
let the people of Zion be glad in their King.
3 Let them praise his name with dancing
and make music to him with timbrel and harp.

4 For YHWH takes delight in his own People;
he crowns the humble with victory.
5 Let his faithful people rejoice in this honor
and sing for joy on their beds.

6 May the praise of EL be in their mouths
and a Double-edged sword in their hands,
7 to inflict Vengeance upon all the Goyim (i.e. non Jews)
and punishment on the Gentiles
8 to bind all of their Kings in strong Chains,

and fetter all of the Nobility with Iron Shackles,
9 to carry out YHWH’s death-sentence against them—
yea: this is the glory of all his faithful People !

The Hebrew Psalms are actually stuffed with such xenophobic race hatred which shocks the modern man to-day – and yet to-day’s ‘Christians’ and ‘Jews’ seem to see no reason at all why they can’t keep singing and reciting them week after week after week after week in their worship services...like there was nothing wrong with their vicious content.

it really kind of makes you wonder why so many people (especially in the US) are so asleep on this topic – maybe it’s the fact that no body to-day dares to speak of it openly..who are they afraid of, exactly, one may well ask ?



posted on May, 13 2011 @ 07:08 PM
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Sigismundus are you actually Amadeus?

It seems your writing style and ideas are virtually the same, save for the fact you don't use all caps.

The two names are also part of Mozart's full name. It seems obvious by the sentence structures and ideas. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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posted on May, 13 2011 @ 07:24 PM
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Religious scriptures, whether they be Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Scientologist, or Ashton Kutcher-ish all seem to have a schizophrenic nature to them. If some portions are taken out of context, scriptures appear to advocate genocide and other savage things. On the other hand, other portions of scriptures seem to advocate good universal values like: charity, tolerance for other peoples, mercy, forgiveness, and love.

It is not the religious scriptures that are the issue, but how people choose to apply the scriptures. There are people of faith that are doing some wonderful things in this world because they believe scriptures clearly command them to do wonderful things. There are whack jobs out there who are doing horrible things because they feel scriptures command them to do so, too. Generally speaking, people who look to the scriptures to find good will find good. People who look to the scriptures to find justification for evil acts will find that justification.



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Hi Addy--

You can call me Sigi for short if you want - the name Sigismundus is an oddity

'Johannes Chrystostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus' appears on Mozart's 'original' 27 Jan 1756 Salzburg birth-certificate which I believe was lost some time in the 1760s (apparently he couldn't produce it at any rate when he asked to present one when he tried to join the Musician's Union - makes you wwonder if Leopold found it expedient sometimes to lie about the boy's age on Tour - but I suppose the name 'Sigismundus' (presumably the extra namee was added after the then-Archbishop of Salzburg 'Schrattenbach') when the boy genius was 'confirmed' in the Roman Catholic Church (c. 12 years old?)

I think AmadeuS however has moved on to greener pastures - probably still using a lot of CAPs though wherever he/she is ! Wasn't there a NeoAmadeus at one time too?



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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Hi Hotpink -

Could you say the same about people mis-using and mis-understanding and mis-quoting Mein Kampf? I'm sure not all of the book is vitriolic race hatred - but both the Torah and Mein Kampf seem to present a rabid fear of The Other.

Just a thought...



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 01:01 AM
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I do not see adherents of Mein Kemph doing good things. For the most part, adherents of Mein Kemph started World War II, killed millions of people, and are hateful biggots.

While there are some nutjobs that interpret scripture to do bad things, there are people who are inspired by scripture to do good things. People of faith motivated by scripture abolished slavery, led the civil rights movement, and donate billions of dollars to charities each year.



posted on May, 19 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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Hi Hotpink

I totally agree with you...however...there are two sides to this ugly coin....

Just take a very very close look at the kind of language that had been spewed for decades in NYC by so-called Ultra Right Wing 'Orthodox Jewish' Lubavitcher-Chasidic-Rabbi-type radical zionist Monsters like R. Meir Kahane (May-His-Bones-Be-Dust) and one of his warped followers like 'Doctor' Rabbi Baruch Goldstein [May-His-Bones-Be-Dust] did - he murdered in cold blood 29 un-armed Palestinian men (including Children - in accordance with the Torah Policy) with his handy dandy IDF/ Israeli-Defence-Forces-Provided automatic weapon - and wounded more than 125 other Palestinian men who were praying 'facing the east' i.e. towards Mecca in the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron at 5:30am (Friday) 25th Feb 1994 - (i.e. during the 'Jewish' Feast of Purim - which that year overlapped with the floating lunar Muslim holiday of Ramadan) which according to eyewitnesses, he accomplished while only 4 out of the normal 12 member contingent of the IDF were present that morning - and more to the point, while 'screaming genocidal venom from the Torah' and 'also from the Prophet Hezekiel [chapters] 8 and 9' before he himself was shot to death by one of newer IDF soldiers who was caught in the spray of bullets...

see e.g. Hezekiel 9:6 "Extereminate them all, saith YHWH, genocide them utterly - both the old and the young, both virgins and married women along with their children' i.e. those with the MARK on their forehead which are 'those who pray facing the East...'

And now those charming Lubavitcher type Ultra Right Wing Chasidic Zealots in Brooklyn, New York wants to erect a giant statue of this Racist Rabbi in their town square - isn't it bad enough that there was actually a publishing firm in NYC who brought out a book praising his actions that morning (Blessed the Male, 1995) ?

So this kind of warped ultra right wing zionist 'orthodox fundamentalist' genocidal policy against the goyim is still very much alive and well today - at least at the right wing fringe of modern 'Rabinnic' (i.e. non-sacrificial Temple) Judaism - and they're not just talking about it - they're acting on their insane literalist interpretations Torah-based policies from 2,500 years ago at least...



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 06:30 AM
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This isn't no "secret" Real Bible believers know good and well that the Bible is the most anti-semitic book on the face of the planet, while at the same time being the most pro-Israel book there is.
The passages you bring to question are simple. Do what God says or he kills you. As history has shown....the Jews have not did what God said many-a-times.
Strangely, even for Christians we must do what God tells us...or he kills us too. God is a God of mercy....and Wraith. Always remember that. God is Love..and he also Hates.



posted on May, 21 2011 @ 06:33 AM
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Originally posted by Akragon
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Heres a thought though... What makes you believe that because its written in the bible, God commanded it?



oh enough of this already mad cat!! either you believe the whole Bible completely, or you are not permitted to believe any of it. You can't just pick Jesus's saying and base your whole life on it. Jesus was a Jew...sent to the JEWS. What he said dealt primarily with Jews.




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