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Originally posted by Bunken Drum
It sounds as if you are asking/telling us to stop discussing this topic with each other. However, again, I could well be wrong. Perhaps you would elaborate?
Why do you keep coming back to argue this subject without ever addressing what has emerged as the central issue, ie Personal Choice, in any other way than to simply dismiss its importance?
I'll tell you right upfront why I'm so passionate about this subject:
As a bi man, I've been on the receiving end of prejudice from the majority of heterosexuals & plenty of homosexuals all my adult life.
In your own case, could it be that, deep down, there's a niggle of doubt? That you are defending this unaddressed confusion/ambivalence because you feel that uncertainty is weakness? That would be a completely normal behaviour. Unhelpful, but the most prevalent way that people operate.
I briefly considered adding that to my business card, but the aggravation of explanation would outweigh the humour...
the spokesman for penile skin
Originally posted by 27jd
Circumcision is a procedure that is best performed on an infant, who's nervous system is less developed as far as feelings of pain, and who has absolutely no clue what is going on, which completely does away with anxiety leading up to the procedure.
The pains of youth
"In very young babies there is a very strong, exaggerated, behavioural response to pain, much stronger than you would see in an older child or adult," says Professor Fitzgerald.
As adults, when we detect a painful stimulus, the sensory nervous system in the spinal cord suppresses the signal to a certain extent, reducing the intensity of the pain and helping us to detect exactly where it is in the body. Also, when the brain receives the pain signal, it sends inhibitory information back to the spinal cord.
But in newborn babies, this system has the opposite effect.
"The brain actually enhances the pain inputs rather than suppressing them. It's a complete reverse of what happens in an adult," says Professor Fitzgerald.
I believe, personally, that there are health benefits to the procedure.
Perhaps the reason I feel strongly about this issue, is because the OP is basically saying that those of us who chose to have our sons circumcised to remove a small amount of skin, are somehow equal to those who allow their daughters to be basically castrated so they never feel pleasure from sex, at all. The two are not comparable, and circumcision is not mutilation. It's a minor surgical procedure.
Originally posted by Bunken Drum
reply to post by Pimpish
Well, I suppose that depends upon your age. How old are you?
I'm 42 &, whilst my libido has (thankfully) calmed down a fair bit in the last 10yrs, I expect that I'll still want to get off a few times a week when I'm 62 (if I live that long).
My current belle is 19yrs younger than me; a pro dancer, studying for her 1st degree & paying for the extras in life by part-time lingerie modeling (quite similar to my ex-wife as it happens - hmmm perhaps I've got a fixation on beautiful intelligent women? . ). My point here is that I'm nothing to look at & my personality isn't easy for others to deal with.
On the plus side, I'm an interesting geezer, b/c I've travelled a lot & lived an unconventional life. I'm quite tall &, despite a bit of 'middle-age spread' fairly skinny, with broad shoulders, so clothes hang well on me (when I can be bothered to dress up). I've still got a full head of thick dark hair.
On the minus side, despite the fact that I have a large vocabulary & a good undertanding of various dialects & patois english, & can get by in several other languages, in person, I find it difficult to communicate with others, unless I'm fully behind my mask of "drunken bum", which precludes the kind of honesty which is the basis of an ongoing good relationship. I've got several scars, some on my face, & my nose, which would always have grown into a bit of a lump, has been broken more times than I can remember. I have worse than stereotypically english bad teeth. I've got deep creases on my forehead & stretch marks around my waist & on my arse. I'm also a habitually scruffy bastard, who, when tings aren't going the way I want, is more foul-mouthed than is generally acceptable.
How is it then that I manage to have sex & long-term relationships with really beautiful, intelligent (&, in some cases, very rich) people?
Could it have anything to do with sex, do you reckon?
A pint of Scotch mate! A small amount of T&C forbidden unmentionables &... (dont freak out until you read the whole post) a tiny amount of abraded foreskin. So long as you know you're clean & can look people in the eye & say when, where & what you were last tested for, I know plenty of women that would be only too happy to do us both at the same time (so long as you're showered also).
You sound like an interesting bloke and someone who would be great to share a pint with
This is interesting, b/c it will serve to illustrate several points. You went on to claim that I could not make up my mind about which label to apply to you. As you've said, the human mind is a complex thing. The labels I have used are "counter-dependant", "Special & Different" & "King Baby". These are not mutually exclusive sequential ideas (especially since the last 2 mean the same thing). According to the consensus arrived at by decades of clinical practice & research, just less than 9/10 of us are, in laymans terms, nuts. The question then becomes, what mixture of flavours of nuts are we? Before you lose the ability to juggle all these ideas @once, here's another label: "projection". In this context, it means that you have understood my posts purely subjectively & then assumed that I must have the same motives you would've had, if you'd said the same. Is it surprising then that your quote is an example of exactly what you're complaining about?
So again, please stop assuming who I am.