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Photograph of Indonesian undead? The walking corpse of Toraja.

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posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 06:09 PM
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Thank you for your comment. I also searched for "mayat berjalan" on Google Images before making the opening post but didn't noticed these two pictures. Curiously, the guy holding the deceased man seems to be the same guy holding the deceased woman in my OP, at least the facial features are similar.

After reading the blog and from what I could understand, the pictures portrays part of the funeral rite, in this case a procedure of changing the clothes of the deceased, wearing him with something clean, new, that the person liked when alive. Their tradition let them keep the body wrapped by cloth inside a coffin or even lying in bed until they have enough rupias to afford the costs of a propper funeral.

That's some really different and weird culture, huh?

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In the blog QuickStudy posted there's a link to another one with a text titled "Last party to heaven" or something in those lines that explain a bit more about their funeral rite. They talk about using herbs to preserve the body and injections of formaline. I am aware that body stiffness evade after a day or two but maybe the herbs and formaline let the body rigid? The blog also says that the torajans believe their enviroment helps keeping the body dry.

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I confess that I saw some kind of life when I saw the picture for the first time. You know, there's a shock and you don't know what to think of it, at least in my mind many things appeared trying to explain what I was seeing. At first I discarded the undead possibility and thought about disease but there were something strange about the coffins that made me search for more info about the Torajan people and their culture.

Also, I really appreciate your comment and your thought about the human psychology. Sincerely, the title of my thread was to get attention and to put in the mind of the readers the probability of a real undead. Almost the same way when the picture was presented to me.




posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 06:14 PM
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Yep i was thinking it looks like that 'tree man' disease they had, thanks to who ever posted that. It could also be leprosy. I doubt they can re animate a corpse. Im guessing the person would be so sick they would presume them dead and when they walk (perhaps something that boosts adrenalin/heart rate) they can walk a limited amount then when it wears off they fall back down again to the floor.

Highly doubt its a zombie!!



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 06:17 PM
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I think if it was a corpse, her face would be more hollow, you would see her cheekbones more, her skull shape would be way more obvious. To me it looks more like her face has stuff added on it or is swollen.

But still, it's quite interesting, who knows.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by QuickStudy
I agree this is simply a corpse being supported by someone. I googled the image “mayat+berjalan" and found a thread that shows similar images. Notice all are being supported.

Soure: Link






Nice critical thinking! Anyone who buys stories like this one needs to grow up.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 07:39 PM
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In my unexpert opinion, she has a tropical disease of some kind. Not dead yet, but she looks well on the way there.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by pepsi78
It's why atlantis sunk, witchcraft.


Could you please supply factual evidence for this statement, not just your own personal beliefs.

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I don't know anything about walking-dead, but if this was a body that was long dead (I say this as there appears to be a coffin in photo) wouldn't the body be more bloated due to the different stages of decomposition, we don't really know the length of time since death.
The body look likes it has been mummified it dry cool condition, whereas Indonesia is in the hot wet tropics.

en.wikipedia.org...

Stages

1.fresh (autolysis);
2.bloat (putrefaction);
3.decay (putrefaction and carnivores);
4.dry (diagenesis).

Once death occurs, human decomposition takes place in stages. The process of tissue breakdown may take from several days up to years. At all stages of decomposition, insect activity occurs on the body as detailed below.

Fresh
The fresh stage of decomposition occurs during the first few days following death. There are no physical signs of decomposition during this time. However, homeostasis of the body has ceased, allowing cellular and soft tissue changes to occur because of the process of autolysis, the destruction of cells and organs due to an aseptic chemical process. At this point, the body enters algor mortis, the cooling of the body's temperature to that of its surroundings. When the body’s cells reach the final stage of autolysis, an anaerobic environment is created, that is, an environment wherein oxygen is not present. This allows the body’s normal bacteria to break down the remaining carbohydrates, proteins, and lipids. The products from the breakdown create acids, gases, and other products which cause volatile organic compounds (VOCs) and putrefactive effects. VOCs are produced during the early stages of human decomposition.

Substances produced during the fresh stage of decomposition attract a variety of insects. Insects belonging to the order Diptera begin to lay their eggs on the body during this stage, especially members of the Calliphoridae family.[2] There is also considerable activity by soil dwelling insects around a body that it is on the ground or buried in the soil. The reasoning for this is simple: a dead human body serves as an excellent source of decaying matter to feed on in a very hospitable environment.

Putrefaction
Odor, color changes, and bloating of the body during decomposition are the results of putrefaction. The lower part of the abdomen turns green due to bacteria activity in the cecum. Bacteria break down hemoglobin into sulfhemoglobin, which causes the green color. A formation of gases enters the abdomen, which forces liquids and feces out of the body. The gases also enter the neck and face, causing swelling of the mouth, lips, and tongue. Due to this swelling and misconfiguration of the face, identification of the body can be difficult. Bacteria also enter the venous system causing blood to hemolyze. This leads to the formation of red streaks along the veins. This color soon changes to green through a process known as marbelization. It can be seen on the chest and shoulder area and on the thighs. The skin can develop blisters containing serous fluid. The skin also becomes fragile, leading to skin slippage, making it difficult to move a body. Body hair comes off easily. The change of the green discoloration to brown marks the transition of the early stage of putrefaction to the advanced decomposition stages.

During the putrefaction stage of decomposition the majority of insect activity again comes from members of the Calliphoridae family, and includes: Formicidae, Muscidae, Sphaeroceridae, Silphidae, Lepidoptera, Hymenoptera, Sarcophagidae, Histeridae, Staphylinidae, Phalangida, Piophilidae, Araneae, Sepsidae, and Phoridae. As with the fresh stage of decomposition if the body is on the ground or buried in soil there is also considerable insect activity by the soil-inhabiting arthropods.

Black putrefaction
After the body goes through the bloating stage it begins the black putrefaction stage. At this point the body cavity ruptures, the abdominal gases escape and the body darkens from its greenish color. These activities allow for a greater invasion of scavengers, and insect activity increases greatly. This stage ends as the bones become apparent, which can take anywhere from 10 to 20 days after death depending on the surrounding environmental conditions. This period is also dependent on the degree to which the body is exposed to each and any of the varying elements and conditions.

During the black putrefaction stage of decomposition, insects that can be found living in the body are: Calliphoridae larvae, Staphylinidae, Histeridae, Gamasid mites, Ptomaphila, Trichopterygidae, Piophilid larvae, Parasitic wasps, Staphylinid larvae, Trichopterygid larvae, Histerid larvae, Ptomaphila larvae, Dermestes, Tyroglyphid mites, Tineid larvae, and the Dermestes larvae. Some insects can also be found living in the soil around the body such as: Isopoda, Collembola, Dermaptera, Formicidae, Pseudoscorpiones, Araneae, Plectochetos, Acari, Pauropoda, Symphyla, Geophilidae, and Protura. The types of insects will differ based on where the body is, although Diptera larvae can be found feeding on the body in almost all cases.

Butyric fermentation
After the early putrefaction and black putrefaction phases have taken place, the body begins mummification, in which the body begins to dry out. Once the human carcass has mummified it goes through saponification, the formation of adipocere (grave wax), referring to the loss of body odor and the formation of a cheesy appearance on the cadaver. Mummification is considered a post-active stage because there is less definite distinction between changes as indicated by reduced skin, cartilage, and bone. Mummification is also indicated when all of the internal organs are lost due to insect activity.

Insects that can be found on the body during mummification include most of the same insects as in the putrefaction stage, but also include: Acarina, Nitidulidae, Cleridae, Dermestes caninus, and Trogidae. The main soil-inhabiting arthropods include Dermaptera and Formicidae.

Dry decay
When the last of the soft-tissue has been removed from the body, the final stage of decomposition, skeletonization, occurs. This stage encompasses the deterioration of skeletal remains, and is the longest of the decomposition processes. Skeletonization differs markedly from the previous stages, not only in length, but in the deterioration process itself.

The strength and durability of bone stems from the unique protein-mineral bond present in skeletal formation. Consequently, changes to skeletal remains, known as bone diagenesis, occur at a substantially slower rate than stages of soft-tissue breakdown. As the protein-mineral bond weakens after death, however, the organic protein begins to leach away, leaving behind only the mineral composition. Unlike soft-tissue decomposition, which is influenced mainly by temperature and oxygen levels, the process of bone breakdown is more highly dependent on soil type and pH, along with presence of groundwater. However, temperature can be a contributing factor, as higher temperature leads the protein in bones to break down more rapidly. If buried, remains decay faster in acidic-based soils rather than alkaline. Bones left in areas of high moisture content also decay at a faster rate. The water leaches out skeletal minerals, which corrodes the bone, and leads to bone disintegration.

At the dry decay stage commonly found insects include: Sphaeroceridae, Acarina, Nitidulidae, Cleridae, Dermestes caninus, Trogidae, Tyroglyphid mites, and the Tineid larvae. The soil-inhabiting arthropods are: Collembola, Dermaptera, Heteroptera, Coleoptera and their larvae, parasitic Hymenoptera, Formicidae, Diptera larvae, Pseudoscorpiones, Aranae, Plectochetos, Acari, Pauropoda, Symphyla, Geophilidae, Protura, and Aphididae.



edit on 18-9-2010 by acrux because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 08:21 PM
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It's a corpse guys!......look behind her, you can clearly see the coffin, and the coffin lid propped up against it........strange custom
but each to their own I guess!



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 08:28 PM
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I've seen plenty of leprosy in third world countries and that doesn't look like what (i've at least) witnessed.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 08:58 PM
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You're correct it is nothing like leprosy, leprosy doesn't waste the flesh from the bones, it causes growths.......the image is of a corpse being propped up.......................for whatever reason



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 09:13 PM
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I'm sorry, but this is the 21st century, pics alone don't cut it anymore. Vids or it didn't happen.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 10:05 PM
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looks like bad juju to me!
but really, i think this is just plain nasty.
check her eyes out, almost looks like she's,
looking down in shame or embarrassment.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by hounddoghowlie
check her eyes out, almost looks like she's,
looking down in shame or embarrassment.


Or the poor lady is dead and you are impugning her, implying that she has reason to be embarrassed or shameful..



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 10:59 PM
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This thread topic is a bit serendipitous for an OP nicknamed "One Step Beyond"

Anyway, ekorusdianto.blogspot.com...

More Bad Juju



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 11:03 PM
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I agree they are corpses, however they would have had to have gone through some type embalming process, otherwise putrification would make them absolutely untouchable. They would be almost liquid (foamy) except for the skeletal structure. Particularly her.....she doesn't appear to have been dead as long as the others in the linked photos.

Now I'll be on my cheery way.





edit on 9/18/2010 by ladyinwaiting because: To gross myself out even more.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by Trexter Ziam


Anyway, ekorusdianto.blogspot.com...


After reading the blog, it does not really mention the corpse walk except for 1 line about its returning back. Its really corpse however, theyre mummified on a stone, then later with herbs, then later with formaldehyde. Sometimes the formaldehyde doesnt work. It is sort of last homage visit for the corpse.



posted on Sep, 19 2010 @ 12:05 AM
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It makes an interesting story. I would like to see the youtube vid.



posted on Sep, 19 2010 @ 12:11 AM
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If these people are walking to their graves then there is a good chance they are also being buried alive.

I wonder if Obama has ever dabbled into this??



posted on Sep, 19 2010 @ 12:29 AM
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You have a picture of a corpse and a man and a woman holding it up. Where are the zombies?



posted on Sep, 19 2010 @ 12:29 AM
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On St John in the USVI people said that eating too much of the Bella Donna flower would turn people into zombies. It actually makes people "zombified" and can 'fry' your brain so that you act dim witted, staring and grinning like a zombie and you never will recover.



posted on Sep, 19 2010 @ 01:33 AM
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She is hot.....


Anyone have a contact number for her? She reminds me of my grandma









 
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