reply to post by Alfie1
Alfie; I have trouble with ANY explanation of what happened on 9/11 because we have NOT had an actual investigation. Nothing but lies from the Bush
administration and the NIST -- ONLY where we have video and information from OTHER SOURCES, is there any information forthcoming.
The government did NOT tell us that NORAD was confused, or of the 3 training missions, or of the Free-Fall collapse of WTC 7 until AFTER other
information brought it forth.
The administration has buried, burned, hidden everything concerning 9.11 to their best extent possible at every turn. They've obstructed justice, and
put loyalists to them at the top of the NIST and the "experts" looking into the collapse. Their own Committee to investigate it, was YEARS after the
event, and the 9/11 Commssion said that they were "stonewalled at every turn."
>> The idea that a Decoy plane could switch ON a transponder while passing flight 93 (turning it off) -- that doesn't sound so far-fetched or
difficult. I've always wondered that all the discrepancies of "Plane or rocket attack or merely an explosive charge" at the Pentagon, could easily
be explained by having the commercial airplane fly over the Pentagon while setting off a charge -- nobody would be looking at a low-flying plane on
the other side when a huge explosion is going off.
But it doesn't matter; all evidence has been tampered with. All video tapes THAT WERE NOT given to us by citizens, are missing. We have one security
camera from the Pentagon and we KNOW OF, many that were confiscated. Why would they NOT release these other video tapes to prove the government
theory? It would be so easy. Whether or not a plane hit the Pentagon -- it doesn't prove who did or didn't do it, nor was it much more than a
symbolic attack. We've had more people killed in a traffic accident. Why would they give a damn about the people on board a plane? Just get a hold of
the override for the computer from the FAA and make sure that the pilots could not be awake to stop you -- why would the Bush administration which has
killed millions in it's resource wars, sold our country to Business concerns -- bother with a missile?
Rumsfeld could have brought in the briefcase himself with all the clearance he had and all the crap "special projects" got away with, or they could
have hijacked a busload of kids -- I just don't see that keeping a man like Dick Cheney awake at night.
>> Speculation just gives the BushCo loyalists and propagandist shills more ammunition to make "truther's" look like fools. What we need is a
movement for TRUTH itself, and demand video, demand steel from the ares that were "cut" by the explosion from the WTC -- demand EVIDENCE for the
nonsense the government told us.
>> BUT IF YOU WANT SPECULATION, HERE IS MINE:
We act as if the Bush administration was ever caught telling the truth. The only defense is; "There is no way these people were competent enough to
create a false flag event -- nor keep it secret -- no way." Well, BushCo managed to steal an election, and I think we are all arguing about this
"SECRET" -- in a non-secret way, right? And besides, it would make sense that someone from the Bush family would out-source that job like everything
else in America.
Why did people from Saudi Arabia and not US citizens attack America on 9/11? Because the economic royalists don't want to PAY MORE for American
workers. Duping some people from Al Qaeda into doing your dirty work would be relatively easy, because all the cells are not aware of anyone but their
one contact. Telling one cell to attack America and giving them resources would NOT cause them to be suspicious.
BushCo NEEDED an attack on America. Like they NEEDED weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. So they got an al Qaeda cell to attack Americans with some
double agent, and sent them down to Florida where there are plenty of covert bases and airstrips and Jeb bush around to make sure they got all the
help they needed.
They flew actual planes into buildings, just as OUTLINED in Operation Northwoods, but those planes were GUIDED by the normal equipment on the plane
with the FAA codes. They had the technology to steer planes back in the late '60s or why else would Northwoods be signed off on by the Join Chiefs
and needed to be vetoed by JFK? You don't have to add anything FANCY to the planes. You don't need special pilots or remote control devices. It's
already on these planes -- they just don't use it to take off and land. If you have the government and some head honchos at the FAA you are set.
A charge or a missile might have been added to the Pentagon -- maybe a plane flew into it. But NO WAY could a plane penetrate those walls of the
Pentagon. We are to believe that flight 93 disintegrated into the soft earth -- well, a steel reinforced concrete wall is a lot HARDER. But -- all I
want is all the video from around the Pentagon. There is nothing to prove with that incident other than WHY was there a cover-up and a removal of all
the video tapes of cameras that pointed to that wall?
Just make sure NORAD doesn't get in your way -- and what did we see at NORAD? Confusion and 3 drills being conducted by Dick Cheney; the ONLY thing
he did in the whole time he was in office that related to "drills."
The setting of charges was only to MAKE SURE that the attack had a real impact on the American psyche. Planes just catching a few floors on fire would
not do the trick. So they set charges.
However, Building 7 had to be destroyed for some strategic reason -- it doesn't fit the pattern nor was it necessary. I have to think it had
something to do with ENRON, and a Federal case against the Bush family that had its evidence stored there -- or maybe something else. Building 7
cannot be explained by the airplanes, nor by the "collapse theory" based on the curtain wall of the North and South towers -- it was a standard
steel reinforced office building.
They made plenty of mistakes however. And the things that "don't fit" seem to back that up. The destruction of FAA tapes and flight 93 so that
nobody would find out it needed to be destroyed AFTER the hijackers lost control. Radar blips of something streaking towards the plane perhaps? Maybe
other planes in the air diverting. Maybe a whole lot of Random Radar blips being thrown out to confuse NORAD?
The technology to make a false radar echo is in the Pentagon's arsenal. But it's not worth speculating about.
>> We also need to investigate the demise of "Brewster-Jennings." I remember reading a story that this group intercepted some VX nerve gas going to
Iraq, packed in "Carlysle" boxes (a large weapons dealing group that has ex-presidents and Prime Ministers on it's board -- along with members of
the Bin Laden family and which met on 9/10/2001 and had people allowed to leave on 9/12/2001 without the FBI being able to interview them). Allegedly,
the covert group Valerie Plame was working for (Brewster-Jennings) stopped actual WMDs from entering into Iraq.
So Valerie Plame might have been burned as vengeance for Donald Rumsfeld not getting his PROOF of WMDs.
>> Regardless of 9/11 -- it was clear to me that many in the Bush administration were committing rampant acts of treason and working against the
interests of the AMERICAN PEOPLE (the military and the Pentagon are NOT the Commons).
>> The Energy Task Force Meeting, held by Dick Cheney, likely had all the oil companies who are NOW in control of Iraqi's oil -- the exact same group
that Saddam kicked out.
There are probably a lot of ultra patriots that were convinced this was about America getting power over the evil middle east -- but it's really just
about Power for the Powerful. There is no agenda but that -- there are no countries, their is just a consuming and never satisfied group of Economic
Royalists who pit poor person against poor person and sell them the weapons. They ran out of good stuff to steal in Latin America so the PNAC group
started ripping us off here.
>> Another undoing is GREED. That guy who leased the WTC from the Ports Authority, would probably have to spend about $2 billion if they were still
standing removing Asbestos. With the collapse and the DOUBLING of the insurance in July of 2001 -- he made $7 Billion in pure profit -- pretty smart
for a guy who leased an albatross that would cost more in required repairs than he would make on renting it.
>> And I would investigate money transfers for the group that was paid to investigate the WTC for demolitions. I would also want to know WHO was hired
as security guards/maintenance workers for the WTC 6 months before the collapse -- and where are they now and are they dead or extremely rich?
There is a paper trail folks -- and what we need is a full accounting -- which we do not have and are NOT allowed to have with the Obama
administration. Why not? What sword of Damocles his over his head? And WHEN is Dick Cheney's executive assassination squad going to be