WTC 7's compartmented demolition collapse sequence reveals human intervention.

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posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 11:39 AM
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As far as I know, Wireless Charges are not used Building Demolitions.
If your going to Blow a Train, Ok.

Their too Unreliable and Unpredictable.
And if your going to use something like a Mobile, the Battery will be dead in a Week.
We could be taking about thousands of charges and all staged at different times.
So we have thousands of charges accross 3 buildings for over a week waiting
for their Individual Signal to arrive. It just sounds a bit too hopefull for me.




posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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Outstanding research and presentation.
Much respect!

On a side note, a "certain someone" has just warped themselves into the dubious cyber dimension known as the IL. Congrats for all your time and effort here, and good luck with your "life". While you're at it, get a life.


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posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 11:52 AM
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It's only a Blatant Coverup because you believe it was Demo'd.
If it really wasn't Demo'd, then there is no Coverup. That means, It's only
a Coverup because you want to believe.
And the Government has nothing to say because they really don't have
anything to say, and that is not proof of a Coverup either.

"pre-rigged incase of such an attack", now this is just crazy talk.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 12:08 PM
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skeptical
as far as you know wireless charges are unreliable.

so perhaps they were hard wired, and sequentially were detonated in the same fashion and technology used in christmas tree lights,

commanded be a computer or even resistors to allow the detonation of top charges first then proceeding down the building as the top down collapse began.

much more time and money was spent imploding the buildings than was ever spent investigating how and why they came down.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 12:46 PM
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skeptic_al, You don't seem to understand what you read then.

I told you that they could have used the existing I.T. network, which connected the whole buildings office spaces to the Internet, and most of these networks were very high secured, at the level of banks and corporations, via private "pipes", where no one can break in.
That network was all the time present, as a "present" to any willing demo company.
See my posted tenants list of WTC 7.
For an example in WTC 7 : Floors 28-45, Salomon Smith Barney (SSB), a highly secured financial institution!
And many more, on crucial floors.

What more secure "cabling" can you think of?
At the moment you are using the same network to post your opinions.
They can break into your house and put an "empty" box with a network cable attached anywhere, and later trigger from their keyboard via simple instructions, the thermobaric, hidden in that box.

You will be surprised how small such devices in fact are....They can make them as small as a cola can. If you open it, it will explode. Very dangerous in an airplane, and it leaves no traces to search for, only smoke traces since it is a gaseous device, as if a natural jet fuel explosion had occurred....Why do you think the airlines suddenly forbade fluids to bring on their airplanes? Look at the first date I posted that info, and when they got upset about it.

I told you that the engineers only had to connect, or switch on, the devices.
The cables were all the time in place already, and they only needed to rent a space there, or sent an "IT engineer" to WTC 7 floors they wanted to rig, and change the cabling a tad bit.
And those devices were brought in, months or even years before.

They only waited for the right meteorological circumstances, and a few more details we can not come up with, without a whistle blower leaking. That event I do not give a substantial chance in the near future.
And deathbed explanations I do not trust. In casu, it's like collecting personal fame for historical and private reasons, which we can never check without the proper data given.
Look at Deep Throat, did you believe him, or do you have any doubts left? I do. (Please do not also go rampant on this one sentence again.)

Another working thesis could be that they wired the devices with short wires to pressure pads, glued to the columns and beams and trusses they wanted to demolish.
A perfect hiding place for such devices would be the crawling spaces above the lowered ceilings.
And thermobaric devices would have a fully open space to spread their deadly gas clouds, before their thermobaric ignitions were fired.

This is also true for the Twin Towers.
When the first heavy charges were "lighted" (perhaps by a radio signal from one of the helicopters crawling around all three towers all day), the following partial natural collapse sequence would trigger for every 2 to 4 floors, those ignition pressure pads, and there you have your natural looking gravitational collapse sequence.
And all these smoke clouds expelled from every 2 to 4 floors of both Twin Towers as can be seen in the clearer videos out there.

I hope you now understand, that a demolition only needs to trigger such part of an ex-or-implosion, that a substantial part of the building will thunder down. Then that weight will do the demolition for the remaining time.
So it's only the real WTC 7 demolition part of the collapse we were searching for, and that one was found by David Chandler, a great guy.

First a 1 second period of blowing out a few trusses at the highest mechanical floors to insure that the building's 4 facades would tend to fall inwards, a lot later in the demolition sequence. That's when the penthouses fell into the building's roof floor.
Then a 2.25 seconds trajectory of real massive demolition, the rest of WTC 7's descend was naturally occurring, without further help, in an ideal case.
I do expect that a few "insurance" charges were placed also, to be 100 % sure the pace of the descend kept going.
We all have seen the whole 20 floors block of upper WTC 7 floors "sliding" down as if 10 floors or so at the bottom, invisible part, were suddenly gone. In an uniform motion, with all visible sides sinking as one massive block.

And as I explained already, thermobarics have a very low frequency "ear"-print.

Off-topic :
On a side note, did you know that both planes hit exactly at both those WTC 2 and 1 floors, that were re-constructed to facilitate huge, heavy battery banks, which were used as backup power for electrical outages in space rented by a Japanese bank and another financial institution.
And these special big and heavy batteries were filled with quite an amount of very strong H2SO4 acid, like in a car battery.
That splattered acid must have added quite some extra power to the devastation on these floors.
Look up the tenants lists of both towers, or search in this forum for the thread talking about that.

edit on 18/9/10 by LaBTop because: Added "reply to" remark.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 01:16 PM
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As a side note, why do you put so much effort into a (confusingly complex**) assessment and post, then get it incorrect here --- (Or, it is "incorrect" until some evidence is posted):


On a side note, did you know that both planes hit exactly at both those WTC 2 and 1 floors, that were re-constructed to facilitate huge, heavy battery banks, which were used as backup power for electrical outages in space rented by a Japanese bank and another financial institution.


The "huge, heavy battery banks" installed on the floors for the Japanese Fuji Bank have been discussed before. This, in considering the so-called "molten metal" that was seen, having likely come from that source. The UPS installation requested by Fuji Bank is not in dispute. Question is, WHERE is the source for the other claim?

Because, you see, by making that assertion, and leaving it dangling....can you see the sort of insinuation it leaves??? It makes the impression that somehow the terroists (and Atta in particular) 'knew' about the UPS in the floors where Fuji was tenant, and intenionally targeted there??


That beggars belief. Further, by dropping that insinuation bomb, it compels those careless readers to, in their minds, form the unstated "connection" of the second airplane (UAL 175) and ITS area of impact --- as if coincidence isn't enough? This is the problem with rampant paranoia, sorry......

However, to be clear, in WTC One, it was the Marsh & McClennan Companies that was majority tenant at impact point.

Information on all the tenants of WTC One is derived from this source (unless Wiki is deemed insufficient, readers may research to others) and of WTC Two from this link.

Any chance of finding any proof of the UPS installation (and consequently, previous floor re-inforcing requirement) for the Marsh company as well? Else, it appears the claim made in the post above was merely a repeat of someone ELSE'S claim, read somewhere on the Interwebs within all the nonsense and dreck that circulates out there??


BTW, since Wiki is so handy, here, for comparison, is WTC 7's list of tenants too, just to complete this post and keep it handy.


Edit for the (**) above ---It (the OP) was quite involved. In some ways, needlessly so. I will let others dissect it, those who are more advanced in those particular fields of expertise. However, it seems, at first glance, that when something is that over-detailed as an argument, it is relying on a sort of "appeal to authority" technique, as if the author is hoping that the firehose of information will give it some additional crediblity.






edit on 18 September 2010 by weedwhacker because: (**)



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 01:26 PM
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GREAT THREAD S&F

Problem is, we on here already know what you have shown so well. I do a radio show and spent an entire week on 9/11. At the end I had so many people say:

"I simply do not want to believe that my government would do something like to me and my family, I just won't believe it"

For most people the implications of what really happened are just too traumatic so they hide in their own little world, where if they work hard, they get to pay all their money to other people in return for new consumables.

I for one am giving up on the whole, helping to awaken people, because they are not asleep! They DON"T want to know the truth and are willing to allow their rulers to murder millions of people overseas in the name of their freedom, because they are so conditioned to their life that anything else is unacceptable. Changing 30,40,50 years of programming is not easy and will only be brought about with a massive trauma!

We all know what is coming, WWIII, Natural disaster, economic collapse combined with an Alien invasion or maybe they will be one and the same!

Who knows maybe the NWO knows what they are doing and are fighting to bring about change in the only way that will work. Telling the people the truth has no effect! so maybe the only thing left is SHOCK treatment?



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 01:44 PM
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so are you claiming that the molten metal dripping out of the tower is lead?

lead does not change colors when heated



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
Edit for the (**) above ---It (the OP) was quite involved. In some ways, needlessly so. I will let others dissect it, those who are more advanced in those particular fields of expertise. However, it seems, at first glance, that when something is that over-detailed as an argument, it is relying on a sort of "appeal to authority" technique, as if the author is hoping that the firehose of information will give it some additional crediblity.


So basically you are saying, the OP is too complicated for you to "dissect" and "debunk," so you complain about how many details and information there are and somehow try to use that as an argument against him.

weedwhacker, if you're not able to comment on the OP, and don't have the competency in whatever field to consider it honestly, don't just throw it out the window like a troll because your mind is already made up and you can't be reasoned with. Just don't say anything at all. Honestly I have never seen such blatant denial and trolling, "I'm not qualified to comment but you're wrong anyway."

You claim to be a pilot but even on the pilots' thread you've shown you can't read a straightforward diagram that anyone who understands basic numbers can read. Basically you have shown you have made your mind up and will just argue with anything that contradicts your pre-convictions. You don't need to engage in debates in the first place, you need to join a forum where all you do is agree with everyone else that you're already right.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:41 PM
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This is by far one of the best threads I have ever seen on ATS!
Props to you OP!

Idk whats happened to ATS but some of the best threads ive witnessed are currently ongoing! I wish I had more time to browse and contribute at the moment!



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:53 PM
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Okay, in response to the OP, I fail to see how it could possibly be known where the trusses and such were cut. I fail to see the evidence that they were cut and charged. What I see is a description of the WTC 7's collapse, but with ideas about why the movements happened the way they did. Not evidence, but ideas. A hypothesis. Therefor, an equally valid hypothesis would be one that considers the fire and damage to the building in relation to the collapse.

Simply put, no one here has X-Ray vision on the collapse of WTC 1, 2, or 3. All we have is "external" vision. This means that no matter how hard you try to prove explosives or cutting, until you find cut steel still intact after the collapse, demolition left-overs that failed to detonate properly, or documentation that demolitions were ordered and placed, there is no valid evidence that it was explosives.

I'm no seismic expert, and I don't think the OP has claimed to be one either, simply stating that it should be "obvious." However, what I see is evidence of a very large amount of mass collapsing on top of other mass, creating big vibrations. The specific points that prove demolitions seem to be hidden from me.

So, in conclusion to this post, I would like to request that the OP respond with elaboration on the seismic graphs and activity, carefully explaining how exactly they reflect the demolitions he says they do.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by LaBTop

Please read the posts of member Come Clean in my thread, it's self explanatory.

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I have a solution for this kind of problem, people derailing a solid OP by distracting and massively posting of short posts, so the thread is catapulted numerous pages deep, and the OP is never really addressed.



So why am I still here? Even now you talk about the Twins in subsequent postings. No one derailed anything. You brought it up not me.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by LaBTop
 

However, it seems, at first glance, that when something is that over-detailed as an argument, it is relying on a sort of "appeal to authority" technique, as if the author is hoping that the firehose of information will give it some additional crediblity.

You mean like when an airline pilot refuses to acknowledge the overwhelming totality of evidence and uses his specialized knowledge to berate and castigate the ignorant "laymen" who don't share his close-minded, inviolate beliefs?



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 02:58 PM
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By putting on a fireman's suit and blending into the crowd. That's how three buildings can be brought down under the nose of security guards.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 03:05 PM
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You missed the text "OFF TOPIC" above that last part?
However, as usual, you will be served swiftly,


9/11 Planes Flew Directly Into Secure Computer Rooms In Both Towers :
www.rense.com...
(lots of links, but you must hover over them with your mouse to see them, they are not highlighted as we are used to.)

www.erichufschmid.net...

And this is the best referenced source :
NIST, ARA Error Speaks Volumes :
911conspiracy.wordpress.com...


- NIST NCSTAR 1-1H, p. 57 (“floors affected” is obviously wrong, mixed up with WTC1 chart, not pictured)


www....[hate-site-nolink]/forum/t622964/
Read post nr 4 its quoted text in the original link to see the bolded parts, I am not going to edit it for this off topic subject.
WTC 1, the North Tower, where the plane hit at the 96th floor :


TARGET: COMPUTER ROOMS The two airplanes that struck the twin towers of the World Trade Center on 9/11 flew directly into secure computer rooms in both buildings. Is that simply a coincidence or were the computer rooms equipped to play a role in the crime?

NORTH TOWER
"At 8:46:30 a.m., five hijackers flew American Airlines Flight 11 (AA 11) with 11 crew and 76 passengers into the north face of WTC 1," according to the Final Report on the Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers produced by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) in September 2005:
The aircraft flew almost straight toward the north tower, banked approximately 25 degrees to the left (i.e. the right wing elevated relative to the left wing) and descended at an angle of about 10 degrees at impact. Moving at about 440 mph, the nose hit the exterior of the tower at the 96th floor. The aircraft cut a gash that was over half the width of the building and extended from the 93rd floor to the 99th floor.
All but the lowest of these floors were occupied by Marsh & McLennan, a worldwide insurance company, which also occupied the 100th floor.
"The fuselage was centered on the 96th floor slab and filled the 95th and 96th floors top to bottom," the NIST report says. So, what was on the 95th and 96th floors of the north tower, which were rented by Marsh & McLennan, Lewis Paul "Jerry" Bremer's company?
Bremer, it should be noted, was the Bush-appointed proconsul or administrator of occupied Iraq until the end of June 2004. During Bremer's reign there was no metering of the oil that was exported from Iraq.
It is also primarily decisions taken by Bremer that are responsible for the misery and chaos that have afflicted Iraq since the U.S.-led occupation began. Previously, Bremer was the right-hand man for Henry Kissinger & Associates.
The NIST report provides some information about "General Description of Tenant Layout." For the floors in question it says, "Generally open space filled with workstations. Offices, conference rooms, and work areas in exterior corners."
But on the 95th floor, Marsh & McLennan had a "large walled data center along north and east sides," according to the NIST report. And that's exactly where the plane hit – the north wall of the 95th floor.
I called Marsh & McLennan to get a better idea of what was in this "large walled data center" into which American Airlines Flight 11 plunged with deadly precision.
Reginald McQuay came on the line as a company spokesman. I told McQuay that Marsh & McLennan got hit broadside on 9/11 and that it appeared that the plane flew straight into their "walled data center," according to the NIST report.
"No," McQuay said, "it wasn't really our data center. It was our computer center." Then he suddenly became somewhat distressed, saying he could not even focus on what I was saying and that I should call back next week.

SOUTH TOWER
"Sixteen and a half minutes after the first impact, five hijackers flew United Airlines (UA) Flight 175, with 9 crew and 51 passengers, into WTC 2 at about 540 mph, about 100 mph faster than AA Flight 11," the NIST report says.
"The center of the nose of the plane struck at the 81st floor slab. The plane was banked 38 degrees to the left (right wing upward) and was heading slightly (6 degrees) downward from the horizontal," it says.
Although Flight 175 went straight into the 81st floor of the south tower, the NIST report provides no description of what was on the 81st floor. Not even one word. How odd.
While we know that the Fuji Bank was the tenant on floors 79-82 of WTC 2, the NIST report fails to describe the "tenant layout" of floors 79, 81, and 82.

more :

Then, suddenly, out of the blue, a former bank employee came forward, a person who had visited the 81st floor on a weekly basis. His information explains more than he probably thought and provides us with a major clue about what really happened on 9/11.
Fuji Bank had torn up the 81st floor, he said, and stripped it down to the bare bone to reinforce the trusses so that the floor could hold more weight. Then they had built a raised floor and filled the entire floor with server-size Uninterrupted Power Supply (UPS) batteries.
These units were bolted to the raised floor which stood about 3 feet above the reinforced 81st floor. Beneath the raised floor ran the cables and power supply that connected the army of batteries. IT techies had to get down on all fours and crawl around beneath the raised floor to connect cables.
"The whole floor was batteries," he said, "huge battery-looking things." They were "all black" and "solid, very heavy" things that had been brought in during the night. They had been put in place during the summer prior to 9/11, he said.
But were they really batteries?
"It's weird," he said. "They were never turned on.
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The original author thought that these UPS rooms were filled with thermite or thermate, hence his last remark.


And if you want to have more links, just Google for them with these terms :
"" batteries WTC floor impact ""



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by skeptic_al
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It's only a Blatant Coverup because you believe it was Demo'd.
If it really wasn't Demo'd, then there is no Coverup. That means, It's only
a Coverup because you want to believe.
And the Government has nothing to say because they really don't have
anything to say, and that is not proof of a Coverup either.

"pre-rigged incase of such an attack", now this is just crazy talk.



I cant help you if you refuse to open your eyes, and realize that a steel frame building has NEVER fallen from fire alone. WTC4 and WTC5 were BURNT to a crisp, and they stood firm. WTC7 was BARELY on fire, and it fell strait down onto its own footprint. CLASSIC demo job.. If you honestly forgot, GWB's admin REFUSED to have an investigation on 9/11 but eventually caved in, and created the 911 Commission. Read it.... It COMPLETELY forgets to mention anything about WTC7.... Only 3 buildings fell on 9/11, and by chance they forgot to mention one of them?!?! Dude, thats called a coverup... Eventually FEMA took the investigation, and stated only fire caused it to fall. BS!
Fact is, thats just the tip of the iceburg.... The 911 Truth movement isnt just a bunch of wackos that create videos in their basements.. Heavily experienced pilots, ex-Intel Agents, past/current politicians, experts in building structures, high ranking military officers, fire fighters, and on and on and on and on....

Its very disturbing how people still refuse to think our government isnt capable of doing this even after the Iran Contra, and finding the declassified Operation Northwoods....

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posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 03:26 PM
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So you're going to accept that because they said it was just the fire, that that's all it was? What about the structural damage!

There were multiple factors in the collapse. If the report says fire is all that did it, then the report is wrong.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 03:49 PM
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Because, you see, by making that assertion, and leaving it dangling....can you see the sort of insinuation it leaves??? It makes the impression that somehow the terroists (and Atta in particular) 'knew' about the UPS in the floors where Fuji was tenant, and intenionally targeted there??


The perpetrators of 911 obviously had an opening to all agencies' files, and had this information already, and perhaps even assisted in situating these tenants and placing their battery banks.
We believe these planes were guided into these exact floors, you believe these patsies did it.
Fine. No news. We both will proceed on our personal crusades.


It now shows that you regard the JREF forums as a viable source for your docile official theory worshiping.
I, nor anybody else, can't change your concrete set ideas about 911 anymore.
You conveniently forgot to check the background of its owner, who obviously is a hired psy-ops operative.

We believe, based on the "Florida Venice Flying Circus" threads from long ago, posted in the first year after 911, that Atta and his men were CIA / DEA / NSA/other agencies their patsies, who were educated in Hamburg and other places to the idea that they would act as US spies in radical Muslim circles.
However, since Al-Qaida is in fact a CIA front, they were, planned long in advance, patsies, who were sacrificed on 911. They believed they would get away with it, and would be exchanged for empty planes.

They drunk alcohol, befriended hookers and Atta even lived with one in her home, and they gambled frequently in Las Vegas. Real fanatic Muslims, yep.
One Iranian refugee, a university professor, who was a CIA agent, rented them even rooms in California.
The Mossad was on top of them, all the time, to keep them in line with the planning.
And did you forget the fuss about Able Danger ?



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 03:55 PM
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9/11 Security Courtesy of Marvin Bush





Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne]



The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. [NY Newsday]



The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. [NY Newsday]



WTC surveillance tapes feared missing




Surveillance tapes and maintenance logs are among the missing evidence as investigators try to figure out why the World Trade Center collapsed, federal officials said Monday. ... The lost records probably contain vital information that could help answer questions, Sunder said. Investigators are trying to locate copies of many destroyed documents from the building's owners and city agencies. [FortWayne.com]


whatreallyhappened.com...

This is really an easy math equation in so far as I am concerned!






EVIL-DOERS^^^




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