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Originally posted by LAinhabitant
If children are taken to any religious institute it should be to see the art in the facility or architecture only, not to be taught prayers or a religion by the institute. It is wrong for children to be indoctrinated to any religion without their parents present and their parents full knowledge and consent.
Originally posted by Truth_Hz
reply to post by sweetliberty
WOW, the bigoted undercurrents of this video are phenomenal.
I for one think that children should be exposed to different religions and also the fact that they do not have to believe in any or all. It is called learning.
If they wanted to join in the prayer then so be it, no-one forced them to, it was a choice they made and would probably would have been fun for them.
The video is FULL of mis-interpretation and conveniently cut quotes.
I recently went to the sikh wedding of a friend, I was expected to partake in bowing to the Guru and seperated from my partner (men and women on opposite sides of the room) for the entire ceremony. It was brilliant, a cultural experience which is what these children need.
This video is no doubt made by a "god fearing" "soccer mom" who hates muslims... In fact the more I watch this video the more disgusted I become.
Exposing children to different religions is fine but even if there was no audio in this video I would have been very upset if I saw my son face down bowing and praying while on a school field trip. If anything, I have to say, good-hearted intentions or not, there are Muslims out there who need to adhere to our schools rules.
I agree there are questionable undertones and persuasion but I didn't see any females praying, they do seem to be seperated by gender.
Maybe there needs to be more information given to the heads of these mosques that the children are there for learning purposes and not to be seperated and not to participate in prayers.
To the defense of many "soccer moms", I don't think they "hate" muslims
Originally posted by mumma in pyjamas
reply to post by sweetliberty
I don't understand why being exposed to (not converted to or indoctrinated into) religious customs is so taboo.
After all, for many civilizations it is an important part of culture.
Being exposed to different cultures, traditions, values and religions is of benefit.
I can't imagine parents getting their panties in an uproar if their child is given, lets say a Greek dancing session or an Indian feast.And in an instance of paranoia thinking they are trying to turn my kid Indian/Greek.
But for some reason a one off exposure to religion can leave parents believing that someone is attempting to convert the kids.
edit on 17-9-2010 by mumma in pyjamas because: to add left out word
This is the point I am trying to make, the kids were in their place of worship, therefore the kids should be adhering to their rules. A simple way of getting round this would be to not let the kid go on the field trip in the first place
We need to see islam as an idology,not a religion, that is trying to transform our country and way of life. Then we can stop them from exploiting the first amendment so people can see it for the threat it is. Here is a grp in UK doing simular stuff Hizb ut-Tahrir. Really makes you wounder how big this really is.
I did read it, and I also watched the video. The permission slip said it was a cultural center ( like the ground zero mosque ) and there was no mention the kids would be being indoctinated that day. Big difference. A lot of parents are fine with tours and exposing their kids to various cultures (thus they might not have problem letting their kid go to CULTURAL center) but as far as this video shows, every thing I saw was wrong on a million levels. It was straight up proselytizing.
Originally posted by Truth_Hz
reply to post by hotbakedtater
This is the point I am trying to make, the kids were in their place of worship, therefore the kids should be adhering to their rules. A simple way of getting round this would be to not let the kid go on the field trip in the first place
Please do read my posts before replying.
Truth_Hz
You can't teach children half stories or they will grow up with the biased views of the world that are causing this discontent in the first place. There would have been no-one there forcing them to convert to Islam, but by inviting them to pray with them they are getting the full experience of the religion.
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I don't want my child's public school having anything to do with religion in any way shape or form. All organized religion are curses upon society and responsible for most of the panet's suffering wars and oppresion.
It disgusts me that these school districts are so ready to embrace diversity that they allow the male kids to participate in the actual rituals. I can imagine the kids parents were disturbed.
Religious parents do not tend to expose their kid to other religions due to the fact the parent feels his choice is the right one, and it could possibly be sacriligious to attend other churches in some beliefs.
What is wrong with schools today? Stick to schooling my kids not religifying them!!