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Michael Moore calls Canada 'shameful' on U.S. war dodgers

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posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 03:29 AM
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Michael Moore calls Canada 'shameful' on U.S. war dodgers


www.thestar.com

Speaking at the Toronto International Film Festival, Moore said Ottawa’s refusal to allow U.S. soldiers opposed to the war in Iraq to find safe haven in this country betrays what the country once stood for.
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posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 03:29 AM
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Interesting comment, and to prove his pins, he slaps this on the faces of Canadians:



“It’s not the Canada that we used to know.”

Moore, who has produced several acclaimed documentaries, noted Canada was sympathetic to American soldiers who refused to fight in Vietnam in the 1970s.

www.thestar.com...

Kind of true therefore very hard to say any thing in regards, I rather wait for the war mongers, you are welcome.



None has been successful in seeking asylum in Canada, with bids for refugee status denied on the grounds that they would be prosecuted, not persecuted, if they returned to the U.S.

www.thestar.com...

Sounds a lot like N-Korea, people trying to run away now, what has America given birth to.

I want billions of dollars of tax payer money to propaganda this message and see whether it would be easy to demonize America within weeks, even in the eyes of Americans.

Interesting scenario to examine and compare.

www.thestar.com (visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 04:14 AM
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Before people start coming on here with their anti-Moore rhetoric, in all its myriad forms, let me just say for the record that I personally know him and he became a friend of my family through his work on the Traverse City Film Festival, which my family played a large role in creating.

He's extremely humble. He stops and talks to strangers who approach him. He gives off good vibes. He laughs at my jokes even when they don't make sense or aren't very funny. He listens well. All in all, I can't think of one bad thing to say about him - the farthest I'd go is wishing he'd live a more healthy lifestyle.

Make of that what you will...



posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 07:59 AM
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This is because of that piece of #%$# know as Harper.

He's a puppet!

My cousin went to an army recruiting center in Ottawa, or maybe it was Ontario and the canadian military recruitment pamphlet said "canadian army, focused on supporting all military endeavours of the united states."



posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 08:04 AM
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I wonder if the guy who came up with that pamphlet realized that Canada is not part of the US..


 
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posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by Son of Will
He's extremely humble.

Michael Moore is about as humble as a rabid weasel. The truths that he's twisted and the arrogance he displays on promoting twisted truths are not the signs of a humble person.


He laughs at my jokes even when they don't make sense or aren't very funny.

The obvious sign of pretentious people.

Canada harbored cowards from the United States during the Vietnam "War" because they weren't largely involved in the conflict like the US was and this is aside the fact that the people of Canada are more liberal than the people of the United States.

Today, I can't blame them for not harboring any cowards from the US while they have their own military serving in Iraq and their military personnel risking and sacrificing their lives. Besides, during the Vietnam conflict, the US military relied on the draft for its personnel while today it's all VOLUNTEER.

Michael Moore loves the limelight and loves flapping his jaws (while he's not stuffing his face).






edit on 17/9/10 by Intelearthling because: Typo correction.



posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 04:07 PM
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So people who do not want to fight an illegal war are cowards?

I thought that made them more courageous because they are going against the government's wishes, and risk going to jail.

Do you know what coward means? Like in highschool they old me I was a coward because I didn't want to smoke, then I told them it is easier to smoke than not to hence everyone else is smoking, and I will be cool by having a puff here and there (look cool), and smoker girls will like it and do this and that with me.. blablabla.. You get what I mean right..

It is not being a coward, it is being smart.



posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by oozyism
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So people who do not want to fight an illegal war are cowards?


Could you show me where this is an illegal war? Did Congress not approve of the measures to overtrow the regime under Sadam Hussein? Is it illegal because they say it's illegal or you say it's illegal?


I thought that made them more courageous because they are going against the government's wishes, and risk going to jail.


It's very obvious that your thinking is not on the same page as our soldiers who are being sent home in bodybags from doing what they considered an honorable duty.


Do you know what coward means? Like in highschool they old me I was a coward because I didn't want to smoke, then I told them it is easier to smoke than not to hence everyone else is smoking, and I will be cool by having a puff here and there (look cool), and smoker girls will like it and do this and that with me.. blablabla.. You get what I mean right..


A coward is someone who defiantly refuses to step up and attend to a duty which may ease the suffering of others. Refusing to smoke a cigarette is not in the same catagory as what we're talking about here.


It is not being a coward, it is being smart.


In the eyes of King George, the colonists of America were engaing in an illegal war against England. Before the formation of the United States, colonists were more or less subjects to the King and if these colonists had taken the advice you're giving, we'd still be subjects to England. A coward is anyone refusing to do what's right, especially when they know their safety could be jeopardized. A coward wants the benefits of freedom without any effort.



posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 09:26 PM
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It's not the 51st state yet?
Crap, I thought for sure that Canada was U.S. state number 51, and we were getting ready to make Mexico #52.



posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 09:30 PM
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Oh Really ? You know him Personally ? Does he Also Tell YOU how to Live your Life like the rest of us ? Praise Michael Moore ! Praise Big Brother ! ..................My Arse !


edit on 17-9-2010 by Zanti Misfit because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 17 2010 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
This is because of that piece of #%$# know as Harper.

He's a puppet!




Paul Martin, actually. And the treaty Canada has with the USA for extradition. And the policy that refugee status should be based on something more than "I volunteered for the army, but I changed my mind, and I dont want to go to jail, even though I knew I would when I volunteered".



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 03:03 PM
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First off, its an illegal war because according to the UN charter and international law, pre-emptive strikes or pre-emptive wars are considered a category of illegal war of aggression.

Secondly, I doubt these soldiers are wanting to "enjoy the benefits of freedom without doing their duty". Since when is their duty bombing and destroying nations that decide to trade their oil in euros, or who refuse to submit to american corporate will? I recall when I joined the military, that we swore to defend our constitution and country from all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. I have seen no foreign military invading my land, or attacking my constitution, however I see congressmen and corporations constantly attacking my rights and freedoms, Dictating to me what kind of food i can eat, what kinds of medicines I can or cant take, and restricting my right to defend myself. Until our soldiers come home and handle up on these domestic threats to our freedom and land, I say they are all cowards, and remiss in their duty. The ones who know they are doing wrong are not those standing up for what they believe and refusing to fight. They are the ones who are going along with killing women, children, and civilians (at least 60% of the 1.2 million casualties in iraq) even though they know it is horrifying. Its the soldiers going along with or watching the torture of those in abu graib and guantanamo, and not refusing, or standing up to their leaders.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 03:36 PM
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Good catch. S&F.

Michael Moore remembers the Canada that existed before the Canada / US Free Trade Agreement, and the North American Free Trade Agreement - and all those clauses and commitments to let mega-corporations sit at the negotiating -as equals- with signatory nations' governments. And oh yeah, let's not forget NORTHCOM.

He's right. Canada has changed. Never before in history would Canada have supported military-assisted corporate colonization, rationalized as national self-defense OR pre-emptive. At least not publically.


Re: NORTHCOM

WAR: Patriot Act II. Update

The Patriot Act 2, Immigration and NORTHCOM

...still looking for the Iraq looting list posted here years ago - details how Iraq's assets were 'disposed of' and appropriated - and who got the goodies. Anyone remember that thread? (and where it is)



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 03:57 PM
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If there was a massive wall that went up in the Atlantic and Pacific, we would all be better off

Globalization and the "elites" idea that they need to be on some global level is pure greed and will to power.

We would be better off having no connection with anyone, we came across the Atlantic for a reason...to get away from thousands of years of fighting...

now we are here and what are we doing, going back and fighting????

We can make EVERYTHING we need right here in the Americas, it's about time we have our cake and eat it too



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
This is because of that piece of #%$# know as Harper.

He's a puppet!

My cousin went to an army recruiting center in Ottawa, or maybe it was Ontario and the canadian military recruitment pamphlet said "canadian army, focused on supporting all military endeavours of the united states."


You're exactly right. I've recently met a young mother trying to get her life back together. Turns out she was an American soldier in Iraq. I didn't ask if she ran to Canada or finished her term, but either way, these are the people my government is willing to send back to the American empire for persecution? Damn straight its shameful.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
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My cousin went to an army recruiting center in Ottawa, or maybe it was Ontario and the canadian military recruitment pamphlet said "canadian army, focused on supporting all military endeavours of the united states."

Proof?



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by Intelearthling
 


So people who do not want to fight an illegal war are cowards?

I thought that made them more courageous because they are going against the government's wishes, and risk going to jail.

Do you know what coward means? Like in highschool they old me I was a coward because I didn't want to smoke, then I told them it is easier to smoke than not to hence everyone else is smoking, and I will be cool by having a puff here and there (look cool), and smoker girls will like it and do this and that with me.. blablabla.. You get what I mean right..

It is not being a coward, it is being smart.



Yes. they are cowards.....



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 04:34 PM
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Difference between now and then: volunteer enlistment vs draft.



posted on Sep, 18 2010 @ 04:35 PM
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michael moore is so fat and stupid that it is hard to take anything he says seriously. i can just picture him in my mind hunkered over some cluttered desk typing up his newest garbage a$$ book in between watching porn and shoveling pizza and nachos in his mouth. not a pretty thought..



posted on Sep, 19 2010 @ 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by abecedarian

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
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My cousin went to an army recruiting center in Ottawa, or maybe it was Ontario and the canadian military recruitment pamphlet said "canadian army, focused on supporting all military endeavours of the united states."

Proof?


I've written plenty of Canadian Forces reports for university, meaning I've looked over a few CF pamphlets and policy documents, etc. Most of them make it clear that we have NATO and NORAD obligations. As of now, NORAD is under American command, NOT joint command yet it is between our two countries. And the reason why we are in Afghanistan is a NATO obligation; if we did not go, then we would be against NATO is how Bush put it. Funny how NATO still exists 20 years after the Warsaw Pact collapsed



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