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Originally posted by slugger9787
Here is my dilema.
Those who do not believe the OCS have emotional investment to continue to pursue the issue with a passion.
Those who believe the OCS should not have any emotional investment to continue to try to pesuade non believers to accept the OCS.
There must be some other motivating device here?
What is it that highly motivates OCS believers to passionately strive to convince non believers of OCS?
Okay, call me obtuse, but things have gotten way out of hand
I know OS stands for "Official Scenario" as in the 19 al Qaida hijackers,
but what is OCS? I imagine it stands for "Official Conspiracy Scenario"
Since there are more 9/11 conspiracy scenarios than there are grains of sand on a beach.
Do I presume you're
and I thought I was on top of things when I found out the difference between MIHOP and LIHOP...
Originally posted by Varemia
reply to post by GoodOlDave
[quoe] Yeah, it was just a new term someone came up with for Official Conspiracy Story, because the Official Story involves a conspiracy by terrorists to attack the United States.
That's all there is to it.
Slugger, no need to be so violent sounding in your post phrasing
(to elaborate, the massive text always sounds violent).
Originally posted by Varemia
reply to post by slugger9787
Sure. I'll try to do some research on it. So far I have these three sites:
This is a college summary of their work with LiDAR and 9/11 with pictures and thermal imagery:
This is actually 1 site with two links. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. It has Sept. 27th, 2001 flyovers of ground zero:
This one is just a broader view of Manhattan:
And this one is a library of congress site with thermal imagery in September, October, and February chronologically, as well as LiDAR scans from July before the attacks and Sept. 15th after the attacks. There are then Sept. 17th images of ground zero from a couple angles:
Muslims Suspend Laws of Physics!
by J. McMichael
Some of the sources have departed since this essay was originally published on October 21.
Where I could find substitutes, I have indicated them with the word "or"
and a locally cached copy. This revision is published on November 25, 2001. Text
Originally posted by scott,aussie
dreat read fellers but i still think it was not mini nukes yes defanetly bombs if it were nukes then most of the people in the out side raideous of the building would have been pritywell viaperised
With the insulation of the earth and a small enough nuclear charge, the people nearby would not be vaporized.
There is, however, in my view a problem with the fact that the firefighters trapped in the debris of the tower while in (I think it was a staircase?) there did not get vaporized,
Tom Canavan, who worked for First Union Bank, stayed on the 47th floor of the North Tower until after the South Tower was hit, after which his evacuation was slowed by congestion in a stairwell. Canavan had just passed through revolving doors into the darkened, glass-strewn underground shopping mall between the two Towers, and had turned back to help a couple when the rumble of the South Tower's destruction began. He was thrown to the ground and trapped in a small space by slabs of concrete. Canavan and another man crawled to an opening near The Sphere -- the World Trade Center Plaza's centerpiece bronze sculpture. The other man crawled out, but Canavan, being larger, was unable to. Canavan continued to struggle, and extracted himself and walked to safety over smouldering rubble that burned the bottoms of his shoes. He had crawled 40 feet east and 30 feet up through the rubble in 25 minutes, escaping just a few minutes before the fall of the North Tower. To date, the identity of the other survivor described by Canavan remains unknown.
McLoughlin rushed to the Center when he received news of the attack. He assembled a team of four other Port Authority officers, Antonio Rodrigues, 35, Dominick Pezullo, 36, and William Jimeno, 33. Chris Amoroso, 29, a friend of Jimeno, later joined the team. He had already carried people to safety. The four changed into their fire gear and followed McLoughlin through the underground concourse.
The South Tower's debris killed Amoroso and Rodrigues, but McLoughlin managed to lead Jimeno and Pezullo to cover in the vicinity of a freight elevator within the 15 seconds that it took the Tower to come down. McLoughlin and Jimeno were trapped, but Pezullo managed to get free. Instead of climbing out to safety, he chose to stay and attempt to free his fellow officers. That act of selflessness cost him his life: when the North Tower came down, a piece of concrete struck and mortally wounded Pezullo. As Pezzulo lay dying he spoke with Jimeno. Jimeno said "Dominick, I'll never forget." After Pezzulo went quiet, Jimeno said to McLoughlin, "Sarge, this is bad."