Deadly raid in Iraq draws US troops in

Deadly raid in Iraq draws US troops in

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For the second time in less than a week, US forces were drawn into deadly fighting against insurgents — a reminder of the ongoing dangers American forces face well after President Obama declared a formal end to combat.

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So much for an end to combat operations in Iraq. In fact, in the past few weeks the US has been heavily involved in major combat operations. The one being highlighted with this article in Fallujah and another attack at the beginning of the month at an important Iraqi Army base were US troops became involved.

US forces became involved in Sunday’s fighting less than a week after formally ending combat operations in Iraq.

The Islamic State of Iraq, an umbrella group for al Qaeda-linked insurgents, said in a statement posted on a radical Islamic website that five suicide bombers were involved.

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It seems extremism is picking up across the the country and the US are still heavily involved. It is on the contrary of what one may think of as an advisory capacity? Well, at least with advisers as they are called; they can always take the bases out of moth balls and partake in another troop buildup like in Vietnam. We are so naive?

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After reading the different articles, the questions that were once asked still hangs in the air: Was Iraq better or worse off under Sadam? Were the people like this before Sadam came to power, or have they degenerated to become far worse after he was disposed?
It is not shocking that the violence is starting to increase and rise after the majority of the combat troops left Iraq, and that we should be prepared for the country to be unstable for a few years. Iraq is a country divided 3 ways along ethinic and religious lines, where all three do not like the other. Old hurts and claims of prejudice will continue to be present and it would not be surprising if the violence escalates a bit more until things settle down. As there are strikes from one group against another, we should be prepared for attacks based on revenge to happen, and that it will be a very dangerous country to travel and be in for a good long while. When you also add in the fact that each of the different groups, will draw allies and support from different countries in the middle east is could quickly draw the US back into the country. It is hoped that the country of Iraq can pull a government together to work together to quell the violence and bring all of their people under one banner. However, this will prove to be difficult, as all three have a hard time on agreeing on anything, and this has been evident from the very get start of the post Sadam years.

We didn't build the largest U.S. Embassy ever constructed and place it in Iraq for nothing. Iraq is virtually a U.S. Satellite Corporation at the moment, and we need to become more aware that much of the War on Terror is simply a word game.

Enemy combatants, insurgents, domestic terrorists, homeland security, the Patriot Act, pre-emptive war, weapons of mass destruction, are all just plays on words.

Here is another one withdrawal of all combat troops by.

Not all troops, but combat units. So in reality it's just a word game, Special Forces, and other highly specialized 'non combat' units, who in fact aren't geared primarily for combat, but can take part in combat, and in some cases with even more effeciency, and skills than combat units, still remain.

People need to wake up that a lot of the war on terror is a war on the English language and using coined words and phrases to advertise one thing while doing the exact opposite.

Our government is basically run by a marketing department!

IF YOU LOOK AT IT.. THE AMERICANS CANNOT LEAVE BUT THEY CANNOT STAY.

ONCE YOU PULL OUT, THE KURDS WILL BE ATTACKED..DUE TO THE SUPPORT THEY GAVE THE DEATH SQUADS AND THE OIL THEYV TAKEN ETC... ITS IMPOSSIBLE THAT THEY WONT BE ATTACKED.

THEY HAVE IRAINIANS TO THE EAST, TURKS WHO HATE THEM, TO THE NORTH, THEY HAVE SYRIA TO THE WEST....AND THEN MORE SUNNI PISSED OFF ARABS TO THE SOUTH....HAHA GOOD LUCK WITHOUT AMERICAS SHOW OF FORCE.

The last two engagements have been a full-scale military assault akin to the operations we have seen in the past. They must think we are dumb. All these new words and symbols being thrown around by politicians about new objectives, new mission statements, and new designations regarding Iraq does not take away the immutable fact that war is continuing as it has since 2003. If anything, the US has more leeway to do some unthinkable things behind the scenes, because there will be less media attention than when the US was in a war. We have seen less and less attention by the MSM about Iraq and more attention placed on Afghanistan.

It is amazing how duped some can be by changing a few words about something. Equipment and materials may have been shipped out, but the real estate is still available to flood the country with US troops if the need arises. Judging by the latest attacks and the major US involvement in stemming the tide, perhaps, another build-up may be in the works? It seems the insurgency is picking up steam? Perhaps, we will see violence levels similar to before the surge? I have followed this situation over there for months as the media said things were calming down and violence was manageable. However, as far as I am concerned and from what I have read, it is as much a cesspool as it was while the US military was there at full force. There is still a war going on and it is just as violent as it was. However, with all the spin coming out of the White House and the media about combat operations ending, I see this war going dark, and with the lack of attention by the American public; bad things are going to happen.

The US army combat regiments may be gone, leaaving special forces and such, but theres another fifty thousand combat troops in place called mercinaries....
Companies like Xe and Dyne Corp ?sic have men employed in all kinds of occupation type rolls such as convoy duty guarding diplomatic and business personnel and installations as well.....
These guys will never leave unless the iraqis get a lot more pacified.

The Kurds have a separate deal with the US of that i am sure...They may get attacked, but the US will uphold them as long as they have claim to that oil.....

Since those were "non-combat" troops.. clearly it was "enhanced non-combat".. lol Actual combat requires combat troops, but they left.. saw em drive off into a victorious sunset on the news.

The Iraqi-cong et al are going nowhere, ever..they live there and don't appreciate "us" bringing un-invited ruckus to "them". Seems some Americans are under the impression foreigners/Iraqis automatically abandon their nationalism and or flock pride because some republicans & democrats in DC belched out fictional justifications that made it "ok" to demolish their nation and tell them what to do at gunpoint.. lol hilarious..

If Chinese or Russian "leaders" ginned up excuses to rally "the world" into subjecting US citizens to the horrors of shock and awww- occupation.. then told us we either accept it or die.. their commie pinko terrorist rhetoric would be scoffed off as another pack of lies from murdering dirt bag war criminals who sent a bunch of "them" to OUR HOUSE to f with "us".

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Our government is basically run by a marketing department!

Whoa! I wish I'd of said that.

The marketing and selling of lies paid for by the US taxpayer.

Originally posted by Jakes51

So much for an end to combat operations in Iraq.

Hasn't victory already been declared twice now?

Once by Bush and once by Obama?

It's getting kind of difficult to keep track of how many times we have won this war.

Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Originally posted by Jakes51

So much for an end to combat operations in Iraq.

Hasn't victory already been declared twice now?

Once by Bush and once by Obama?

It's getting kind of difficult to keep track of how many times we have won this war.

Yes, the two Presidents have declared victory and even the US military to add another. Yet, as it stands now, it seems things are going back to the way they were before the surge. Wanton violence in the streets, car bombs, beheadings, the usual sectarian family massacres, a government in gridlock, and other departures from the improvements in security being heralded by military leaders and the White House.

Sadly, I think things are lost over there. As have said on other threads, Iraq has the best shot at a viable democracy if the leaders of the international community engage the horrible security situation, corruption in government, and infrastructure failures head on. Those are some of the more recent items I have seen that need to be address, but I am sure there are others. When those people went out to vote amid the threats, intimidation, and with a reduction in US military patrols; it was a clear sign that the people want peace, stability, and a strong Iraq governed under democracy. However, the political succession woes makes that endeavor almost futile, because Prime Minister, Nouri Al Maliki will not step down in accordance to the vote and the majority won by the secular Iraqiya Party led by former Prime Minister, Ayad Allawi. We shall see how things shake out, but things over there are not as rosy as we are being led to believe.