Originally posted by The Vagabond... what do you think about the batteries that have been found?
I'm ...skeptical. For instance, here in the BBC account of the Baghdad batteries (with photos, thankfully, of the real artifact) they admit that
nobody knows where they come from: news.bbc.co.uk...
An artifact without provenance is always suspect. I would believe that perhaps an ancient Leonardo da Vinci created them, but whoever he or she was,
they didn't transmit the discovery.
So, while it was a local discovery, it never became widely used. Batteries were introduced in modern civilizations about 1800, but they had been used
by scientists for centuries before that.
If the claim that they were soldering and using electroplating is true, it reveals a missed aspect of ancient craftsmanship which could have
been an important part of trade (and therefore the power of whichever civilization actually discovered these things).
Excellent points... but as far as I know, if there are examples of this, it's only one or two. As far as I know, the soldering that was done was
done in a fire and not by electrical means. I haven't yet seen convincing evidence about electroplating -- but, admittedly, I tend to be a bit
biased about the websites I've seen on this which tend to be of the hysterical "SCIENTISTS ARE HIDING EVIDENCES!!!!!" type.
On the other hand, I'm seeing some things that convince me that Greeks did use electric eels for pain relief (holy coincidence, Batman... I'm buying
some TENS units for the same thing!)
Also, it raises the question of exactly how far ahead of the traditional timeline chemistry and metalurgy really were.
In fits and starts, apparently (g) It would see as though genius was seldom copied or appreicated.
(Although, considering the mystical interpretation some cultures afforded to medicine and chemistry, and the illustration of how relatively
little the Chinese did with gun powder, it has to be stressed that this probably isn't a huge revelation. Just a minor marvel and a credit to ancient
civilizations.) On the other hand... my earliest posts have already made it pretty clear that I'm open to more wild explanations. I'm jsut being
cautious about the theories I get behind now, so that if I'm ever right I will be heard. Like Daly used to say... Back no losers, make no waves. That
philosophy kept him in power for decades.
My hat's off to you... you make some excellent points and I confess to having sort of a knee-jerk skepticism without fuller examination of the site,
based on the incorrect ravings about the Egyptian item.
At this point (thanks for pointing these things out), I'll admit to being a mildly skeptical about the Baghdad batteries (simply because they just
"showed up") but am willing to admit that a genius of Leonardo da Vinci's caliber or Archimedes' caliber was doing research and development at
It's kind of a shame that this person apparently wasn't an active scribe or better known.