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Originally posted by StarrGazer25
reply to post by mayertuck
When have I opened my mouth about mens rights? This whole topic has been about pregnancy and the choice to be a parent....Wheather its the men wanting to walk away financially or the woman wanting an abortion for whatever reasons.... so how did I ever speak out about mens right? I dont believe I have....?? Im just saying pregnancy is not a mans issue and will never be a mans issue, so in MHO.... mens opinion on the topic shouldnt apply,.... Untill men can carry and bear a child this topic is something you cant understand...
Originally posted by mayertuck
Originally posted by StarrGazer25
reply to post by mayertuck
Abortion is a personal choice, and its a hard choice to make. Its not as easy as most people think! Its bad enough people look down on it already! And if its SOOOOOO bad and horrible, then why add just another excuse for women to do it? Such as "The father declining his financial responisiblity"....or an other words being just lazy!
And I get that I truly do. But it is a choice that she makes. her and her alone. Why add a nother excuse for a woman to do it. Perhaps because a man HAS NO CONTROL OVER WHAT SHE DOES.
All of your argumnets with the exception of causing more abortions have been rebutted.
I want everyone to be responsible for their actions male and female. Since I know my wants are not realistic or even whats best for men or women, I want the second best thing for there to be equality with both sides being able to walk away.
Actually... this thread is about the CONSEQUENCES of having unprotected sex. Be it babies... or be it AIDS... which hasn't even come up.
Originally posted by joechip
reply to post by Hedera Helix
Actually... this thread is about the CONSEQUENCES of having unprotected sex. Be it babies... or be it AIDS... which hasn't even come up.
Actually, the thread is more aptly described as a series of opinions in response to a court case arguing the constitutional merits of male reproductive choice. As such AIDS, and other consequences of unprotected sex would not be relevant to the discussion at hand.
Originally posted by mayertuck
reply to post by StarrGazer25
Exactly my point. Because I am a man I shouldn't have any say in pregnancy. Have you read the thread? This whole thread is about Men's Rights or lack there of? With your logic when my wife was carrying my child I should just say nope not going to any doctors appts or anything because it doesnt affect me. Really?
Originally posted by mayertuck
reply to post by StarrGazer25
And your point is exactly what? It is a choice. A likely consequence of ones actions. Once again being responsible for your actions. If you know that a course of action that has been decided on could result in a negative experience then you better be prepared for that experience. Just as if a man has sex he should be prepared for that possiblily. Where it stands today, women do not have to deal with that responsibility if they do not want to. As I said before and will say again, thats where equality comes in. Is it fair no its not. Perhaps as others have said before if she doesn't want an unwanted pregnancy knowing its consequences she should not have sex. Now how does that feel? Is that fair or right? No it isn't but that is the heart of the matter. You want to whine about negative consequence, fine that is your right. Never the less it is a choice. As I said before if a female didn't have the right to abort, then I wouldn't take this stance. I would fully say the man needs to be there and pay. Since the female has an out, the man should to. Plain and simple. You want equal, it needs to be equal. If you don't want equal quit harping on it about every other thing in life. And no I am not specifically referring to you.
As for why I am on here, that should be obvious. I see an enormous disparity that affect not only my rights but those of my sons and daughter. I care for their future and their lives. Please do not come at me like I am the bad guy here. Read about me, read about the things I have gone through. I am trying to solve a problem that many men and some women feel is a huge problem. Just as when first wave feminism came about many women and a few men cared about.
As hotbakedtater said before, blame the creator for making that unfair.
Originally posted by mayertuck
reply to post by StarrGazer25
In your experience that is which makes your logic flawed. So lets do a thought experiment. I come from the military where you get deployed alot. While on deployment 99% of the wives had affairs when their husbands were deployed. So using your logic I can reasonably say that all women are worthless cheating selfish scumbags?
See how that works? It doesn't does it. People are all different. Are there screwed up men. Hell yes there are. Just as there are just as many screwed up females.
Originally posted by packinupngoin
reply to post by joechip
Look just based on the "gist" I would say this is just malarky. If there is anyone to blame it should be the man. He knows exactly what will happen if he doesn't wear a condom. And he knows that most women want a child. So give me a break.